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Scheduling Mismatches - Cnelson203 - 09-22-2013 09:21 AM
Yes, I'm a G5 fan. Don't hate on me because of that. And Yes, there were some competitive G5/P5 games yesterday (Virginia Tech v. Marshall; Kansas v. LaTech; USC v. Utah State; Oregon State v. San Diego State to name just 4.)
But, consider this list
Washington State 42-0 vs. Idaho
Ohio State 76-0 vs. Florida A&M
Baylor 70-7 vs. UL (Monroe)
Miami 77-7 vs. Savannah State
Louisville 72-0 vs. FIU
Washington 56-0 vs. Idaho State
Florida State 54-6 vs. BEthune-Cookman
How do these mismatched games help build the game. I'd advocate for limiting the number of P5/G5 match-ups to no more than 1 per season, and eliminate, entirely P5/FCS match-ups. IN my opinion, the best match ups are P5/P5 and G5/G5 and FCS/FCS.
You may disagree, but I don't want to pay a lot of money to see Miami play Savannah State and then cut the game short out of mercy. Isn't there a more sensible scheduling approach?
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - john01992 - 09-22-2013 09:29 AM
wash st. & idaho are rivals so you cant really blame them for playing each other
the b10 is ending the FCS scheduling practice so you cant really call out ohio state when they are playing out their final FCS games.
but you are totally correct on the other matchups
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - bullet - 09-22-2013 09:32 AM
(09-22-2013 09:21 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote: Yes, I'm a G5 fan. Don't hate on me because of that. And Yes, there were some competitive G5/P5 games yesterday (Virginia Tech v. Marshall; Kansas v. LaTech; USC v. Utah State; Oregon State v. San Diego State to name just 4.)
But, consider this list
Washington State 42-0 vs. Idaho
Ohio State 76-0 vs. Florida A&M
Baylor 70-7 vs. UL (Monroe)
Miami 77-7 vs. Savannah State
Louisville 72-0 vs. FIU
Washington 56-0 vs. Idaho State
Florida State 54-6 vs. BEthune-Cookman
How do these mismatched games help build the game. I'd advocate for limiting the number of P5/G5 match-ups to no more than 1 per season, and eliminate, entirely P5/FCS match-ups. IN my opinion, the best match ups are P5/P5 and G5/G5 and FCS/FCS.
You may disagree, but I don't want to pay a lot of money to see Miami play Savannah State and then cut the game short out of mercy. Isn't there a more sensible scheduling approach?
While I agree with you in principle, these aren't very good examples. WSU and Idaho are neighbors. When they first moved to FBS, Idaho used WSU's stadium. UL-M beat Arkansas and nearly beat Auburn AND Baylor last year. FIU is just bad this year and UL is good.
The other 4 are FCS schools, who, other than Florida A&M, typically have mediocre to bad FCS teams. There's no excuse for a power program like Miami, FSU or Ohio St. (and normally UW) to play a school like this. There's not an excuse for an Indiana or Duke to play a school like this.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - CardinalJim - 09-22-2013 09:49 AM
I believe once the P5 breakaway many games like this will disappear. There will be no incentive to play them in play-off formatted future.
CJ
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - Wilkie01 - 09-22-2013 10:23 AM
FIU beat Louisville at Louisville two (2) years ago. We cannot help that they have not recruited well since then.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - bitcruncher - 09-22-2013 10:54 AM
The Baylor-ULM game isn't a good example. Last year ULM came within a few points of having 2 major upsets of SEC programs in consecutive weeks. Baylor is also scoring at will on everyone they play. I'm not sure anyone can stop that offense. The only question about Baylor is if their defense is good enough to keep them unbeaten...
But Ohio State should lose poll points for even scheduling Florida A&M. Invite their band to play at halftime? Sure. But not the football team. There was no way they could compete with the Buckeyes on the field, even in the worst season OSU ever has...
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - john01992 - 09-22-2013 10:57 AM
(09-22-2013 10:54 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: The Baylor-ULM game isn't a good example. Last year ULM came within a few points of having 2 major upsets of SEC programs in consecutive weeks. Baylor is also scoring at will on everyone they play. I'm not sure anyone can stop that offense. The only question about Baylor is if their defense is good enough to keep them unbeaten...
But Ohio State should lose poll points for even scheduling Florida A&M. Invite their band to play at halftime? Sure. But not the football team. There was no way they could compete with the Buckeyes on the field, even in the worst season OSU ever has...
how is that different from alabama or fsu??????
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - ohio1317 - 09-22-2013 11:07 AM
Ohio State playing Florida A&M was actually a late replacement. Orignally we were supposed to play Vanderbilt (they backed out). You aren't going to get conferences to agree to cut out most the games vs. G5 simply because most power conference schools want 7 home games and that means 2 one and dones.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - CardFan1 - 09-22-2013 11:17 AM
(09-22-2013 11:07 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: Ohio State playing Florida A&M was actually a late replacement. Orignally we were supposed to play Vanderbilt (they backed out). You aren't going to get conferences to agree to cut out most the games vs. G5 simply because most power conference schools want 7 home games and that means 2 one and dones.
Thats where Urban and Charlie should have come together and played. Same Day same results with Our foes. That could have been a great game on that day. The entire nation would have tuned in for UL, OSU.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - USAFMEDIC - 09-22-2013 11:28 AM
It also provides a large paycheck and significant funding the the FCS programs. How much do you think FAMU brought home from Columbus yesterday?
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - bitcruncher - 09-22-2013 11:29 AM
(09-22-2013 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:It's not. I just didn't feel like going into detail to point out every single mismatch played...(09-22-2013 10:54 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: The Baylor-ULM game isn't a good example. Last year ULM came within a few points of having 2 major upsets of SEC programs in consecutive weeks. Baylor is also scoring at will on everyone they play. I'm not sure anyone can stop that offense. The only question about Baylor is if their defense is good enough to keep them unbeaten...how is that different from alabama or fsu??????
But Ohio State should lose poll points for even scheduling Florida A&M. Invite their band to play at halftime? Sure. But not the football team. There was no way they could compete with the Buckeyes on the field, even in the worst season OSU ever has...
And even though this was a late replacement for Vandy, I'm sure the Buckeyes could have gotten a better opponent, without having to stoop to playing a complete mismatch that isn't worth watching. All they had to do was request a bit of assistance from a TV network, and they could have gotten themselves a marquee matchup that paid them a bunch, without having a paid sacrifice coming to Columbus to get slaughtered...
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - AngryAphid - 09-22-2013 11:34 AM
(09-22-2013 11:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:(09-22-2013 11:07 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: Ohio State playing Florida A&M was actually a late replacement. Orignally we were supposed to play Vanderbilt (they backed out). You aren't going to get conferences to agree to cut out most the games vs. G5 simply because most power conference schools want 7 home games and that means 2 one and dones.
Thats where Urban and Charlie should have come together and played. Same Day same results with Our foes. That could have been a great game on that day. The entire nation would have tuned in for UL, OSU.
So you think Louisville would have traveled to a one-and-done in Columbus?
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - NittanyLion - 09-22-2013 01:07 PM
(09-22-2013 11:34 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:(09-22-2013 11:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:(09-22-2013 11:07 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: Ohio State playing Florida A&M was actually a late replacement. Orignally we were supposed to play Vanderbilt (they backed out). You aren't going to get conferences to agree to cut out most the games vs. G5 simply because most power conference schools want 7 home games and that means 2 one and dones.
Thats where Urban and Charlie should have come together and played. Same Day same results with Our foes. That could have been a great game on that day. The entire nation would have tuned in for UL, OSU.
So you think Louisville would have traveled to a one-and-done in Columbus?
Or OSU and Louisville could have met at a neutral site (Cincinnati).
This WAS talked about. But neither school was willing. Both UL and OSU are addicted to their $$$.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - GreenHornet33 - 09-22-2013 01:35 PM
(09-22-2013 11:28 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: It also provides a large paycheck and significant funding the the FCS programs. How much do you think FAMU brought home from Columbus yesterday?
FAMU brought home a check of $950,000 home from Columbus. FAMU scheduled the FAMU game because they need the money. The school lost so much money last season during the suspension of the Marching 100. FAMU lost a few milllion dollors during the absence of their band.
Savannah State is extremely cash strapped so they schedule at least 2 or 3 money games per year.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - AngryAphid - 09-22-2013 01:44 PM
(09-22-2013 01:07 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:(09-22-2013 11:34 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:(09-22-2013 11:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:(09-22-2013 11:07 AM)ohio1317 Wrote: Ohio State playing Florida A&M was actually a late replacement. Orignally we were supposed to play Vanderbilt (they backed out). You aren't going to get conferences to agree to cut out most the games vs. G5 simply because most power conference schools want 7 home games and that means 2 one and dones.
Thats where Urban and Charlie should have come together and played. Same Day same results with Our foes. That could have been a great game on that day. The entire nation would have tuned in for UL, OSU.
So you think Louisville would have traveled to a one-and-done in Columbus?
Or OSU and Louisville could have met at a neutral site (Cincinnati).
This WAS talked about. But neither school was willing. Both UL and OSU are addicted to their $$$.
Back in 2002 Buckeyes weren't all that thrilled about playing at dinky Paul Brown Stadium.
People only complain when a big time program drops a ton of points on a lesser opponent,
if the games competitive... nary a peep out of them.
A couple of years ago Georgia canceled a home-and-home series with Louisville in order to pick-up a one and done with a non-AQ program… no one even seemed to notice.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - VA49er - 09-23-2013 08:22 AM
(09-22-2013 11:28 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: It also provides a large paycheck and significant funding the the FCS programs. How much do you think FAMU brought home from Columbus yesterday?
^^This.
Also, it has to help the smaller schools at least a little in recruiting to say they are going to play a big time opponent. Sure, they get beat up, but the school gets paid and the players get to play on a big stage.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - perimeterpost - 09-23-2013 08:54 AM
Urban Meyer doesn't just beat inferior opponents, he seeks to humiliate and demean them. THAT is the problem. He started off the home opener against Buffalo by going for 2pts on the first 2 TDs, did it again on the second TD against FAMU. Why are you going for 2 in the 1st quarter of home games against inferior opponents? NO CLASS.
There are other teams that could run up the score but they chose not to.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - AngryAphid - 09-23-2013 09:52 AM
(09-23-2013 08:54 AM)perimeterpost Wrote: Urban Meyer doesn't just beat inferior opponents, he seeks to humiliate and demean them. THAT is the problem. He started off the home opener against Buffalo by going for 2pts on the first 2 TDs, did it again on the second TD against FAMU. Why are you going for 2 in the 1st quarter of home games against inferior opponents? NO CLASS.
There are other teams that could run up the score but they chose not to.
Your whining is amusing.
By the way, besides bench warmers getting the lion share of playing time in that game, Urban even played the backup kicker the entire second half.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - Cardinals - 09-23-2013 10:24 AM
(09-22-2013 10:23 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: FIU beat Louisville at Louisville two (2) years ago. We cannot help that they have not recruited well since then.
This. These games mean more than meets the eye in a lot of cases. Louisville loves to play in Florida, and FIU loves to play Louisville. They've competed well against us in the past, so why should we refuse to play them the years we have a much better team?
When a good team schedules a team without the same tradition or budget, the latter often gets a decent payout that they can invest in their own program. It also gets them some exposure - especially when they pull off an upset.
I don't approve of playing FCS schools, but I have no trouble with anybody playing any other FBS school.
RE: Scheduling Mismatches - stever20 - 09-23-2013 10:30 AM
(09-23-2013 08:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:(09-22-2013 11:28 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: It also provides a large paycheck and significant funding the the FCS programs. How much do you think FAMU brought home from Columbus yesterday?
^^This.
Also, it has to help the smaller schools at least a little in recruiting to say they are going to play a big time opponent. Sure, they get beat up, but the school gets paid and the players get to play on a big stage.
So what? This past week was an absolute joke. It's not Ohio St's job to fund FAMU. It's not Miami's job to fund Savannah St. Those FCS games need to end, especially now that there are going to be what 129 FBS schools(or 9 more than 3-4 years ago).