(09-12-2013 06:38 AM)lofi Wrote:  Jason Whitlock from ESPN slams (and I mean slams) one of the key players in the Sports Illustrated article. He claims that Thayer Evans is a huge Oklahoma homer.
I'm not a Jason Whitlock fan but this is still quite interesting.

Here is the link.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

(09-12-2013 07:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Lofi, Whitlock's points are well made and I always appreciate his brutally honest take on things - even if I don't always agree with his actual point.

In this instance, I absolutely agree with him that the corruption angle is beyond played out. We get it, schools cheat like hell and usually get away with it. Also, the Southern schools seem to be more brazen in their cheating than those in the Midwest, Northeast and West.

My sincere hope is that if the Power 5 league schools do break off from the rest of college football and if they do simplify the rules, they accompany that newfound freedom with a commensurate level of punishment for those who enjoy that freedom and STILL break the rules.

Meaning, if you are permitted to give cost of living stipends and have greater contact with recruits and all of the rest of it, that's fine. However, at the same time, if you have all of those freedoms and you are still paying for prostitutes to have sex with recruits as Joe DeForest is alleged to have done at Oklahoma State, then he should be banned from coaching, period. Also, OSU should have the book thrown at it - and I mean really sharp penalties - regardless if the SI writer who broke the story is an Oklahoma homer, or a Washington State alum or if he grew up in New Hampshire.

I understand that the NCAA, as it is currently constituted, is basically paralyzed from doing much to anyone these days. That's why the cheating has become so out of control. Schools KNOW they are going to get away with it.

However, if they do overhaul the system - as they keep threatening to do - I hope they do the right thing and genuinely reform things instead of just making it easier for schools to cheat.

Finally, in the interest of honest conversation, you should have pointed out that half of the Oklahoma State staff that allegedly participated in all sorts of different cheating is now at West Virginia. Therefore, you have a vested interest in discrediting this report.

(09-12-2013 08:04 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Dohrmann was the guy who broke the Minnesota basketball scandal and he won a freaking PULITZER PRIZE for it. They don't just give those out in vending machines. Which is why, I suspect Whitlock gives his "well I don't know that guy" bit towards Dohrmann. Because it's fine to rip some guy you don't like, and claim he "can't spell cat" but he won't dare rip a guy who won the highest prize in journalism - something that a hack like Whitlock couldn't touch in his wildest dreams.

(09-12-2013 07:55 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 06:38 AM)lofi Wrote:  Jason Whitlock from ESPN slams (and I mean slams) one of the key players in the Sports Illustrated article. He claims that Thayer Evans is a huge Oklahoma homer.
I'm not a Jason Whitlock fan but this is still quite interesting.

Here is the link.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

Evans is a hack. As soon as I heard he wrote it I disregarded the article.

(09-12-2013 08:06 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 07:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Lofi, Whitlock's points are well made and I always appreciate his brutally honest take on things - even if I don't always agree with his actual point.

In this instance, I absolutely agree with him that the corruption angle is beyond played out. We get it, schools cheat like hell and usually get away with it. Also, the Southern schools seem to be more brazen in their cheating than those in the Midwest, Northeast and West.

My sincere hope is that if the Power 5 league schools do break off from the rest of college football and if they do simplify the rules, they accompany that newfound freedom with a commensurate level of punishment for those who enjoy that freedom and STILL break the rules.

Meaning, if you are permitted to give cost of living stipends and have greater contact with recruits and all of the rest of it, that's fine. However, at the same time, if you have all of those freedoms and you are still paying for prostitutes to have sex with recruits as Joe DeForest is alleged to have done at Oklahoma State, then he should be banned from coaching, period. Also, OSU should have the book thrown at it - and I mean really sharp penalties - regardless if the SI writer who broke the story is an Oklahoma homer, or a Washington State alum or if he grew up in New Hampshire.

I understand that the NCAA, as it is currently constituted, is basically paralyzed from doing much to anyone these days. That's why the cheating has become so out of control. Schools KNOW they are going to get away with it.

However, if they do overhaul the system - as they keep threatening to do - I hope they do the right thing and genuinely reform things instead of just making it easier for schools to cheat.

Finally, in the interest of honest conversation, you should have pointed out that half of the Oklahoma State staff that allegedly participated in all sorts of different cheating is now at West Virginia. Therefore, you have a vested interest in discrediting this report.

A P5 breakaway won't stop cheating any more than the repeal of Prohibition killed the mafia.

The point of cheating is to put you at an advantage over the "all things being equal" rules.

Awarding a $4,000 stipend won't end cheating. If you can get the stipend at Alabama and you can get it at Mississippi State the bulk of top recruits will Alabama because of the name, the national titles, the crowds, the TV love. People associated with Miss St will be tempted to offer more to overcome that advantage. People associated with Bama knowing or suspecting Miss St is cheating will make their own offers to match or overcome the advantage gained by Miss State cheating.

Recruiting de-regulation does nothing other than getting the NCAA out of the business of ticky secondary violations where a school called a recruit a day early or sent a book with color photos when only black and white photos were allowed or they put too much of the wrong food on the table during a visit.

The stipend does nothing to offset cheating either. All it does is soothe the conscience of university presidents who see a coach getting $5 million a year while players borrow money for basic living expenses and it raises the cost of doing business for the hanger-ons at the other end of the 340+ school spectrum.

(09-12-2013 07:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Finally, in the interest of honest conversation, you should have pointed out that half of the Oklahoma State staff that allegedly participated in all sorts of different cheating is now at West Virginia. Therefore, you have a vested interest in discrediting this report.

(09-12-2013 07:34 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Lofi, Whitlock's points are well made and I always appreciate his brutally honest take on things - even if I don't always agree with his actual point.

In this instance, I absolutely agree with him that the corruption angle is beyond played out. We get it, schools cheat like hell and usually get away with it. Also, the Southern schools seem to be more brazen in their cheating than those in the Midwest, Northeast and West.

My sincere hope is that if the Power 5 league schools do break off from the rest of college football and if they do simplify the rules, they accompany that newfound freedom with a commensurate level of punishment for those who enjoy that freedom and STILL break the rules.

Meaning, if you are permitted to give cost of living stipends and have greater contact with recruits and all of the rest of it, that's fine. However, at the same time, if you have all of those freedoms and you are still paying for prostitutes to have sex with recruits as Joe DeForest is alleged to have done at Oklahoma State, then he should be banned from coaching, period. Also, OSU should have the book thrown at it - and I mean really sharp penalties - regardless if the SI writer who broke the story is an Oklahoma homer, or a Washington State alum or if he grew up in New Hampshire.

I understand that the NCAA, as it is currently constituted, is basically paralyzed from doing much to anyone these days. That's why the cheating has become so out of control. Schools KNOW they are going to get away with it.

However, if they do overhaul the system - as they keep threatening to do - I hope they do the right thing and genuinely reform things instead of just making it easier for schools to cheat.

Finally, in the interest of honest conversation, you should have pointed out that half of the Oklahoma State staff that allegedly participated in all sorts of different cheating is now at West Virginia. Therefore, you have a vested interest in discrediting this report.

Quote:It's a true sign of the times that in the same week Dorhmann and Evans have gone all-in with their attempted take-down of the 2007 Cowboys, Charles Robinson and Rand Getlin have shown us once again why digital media sites like Yahoo! own the lumbering dinosaurs of the past like SI. Their tale of agent go-betweens and illicit payments is no less shocking, but the reporting is done with a level of sophistication that makes the SI effort comical in comparison. Hell, the very headline of the Yahoo! article seems to be mocking SI as it says "Documents, text messages reveal impermissible benefits to five SEC players." The word "document' is nowhere to be found in the SI piece.

(09-12-2013 12:13 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I guess we'll be awaiting Oklahoma State's libel suit in that case. Bet that won't happen though.

(09-12-2013 10:27 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 07:55 AM)S11 Wrote:  Evans is a hack. As soon as I heard he wrote it I disregarded the article.

It wasn't Evans that made me disregard the SI.com article. It was the lack of physical evidence. All they had was hearsay evidence, and it all came from players who were dismissed from the team...

The Yahoo article about the 5 SEC players accepting money from an agent had a bunch of PROOF to back it up. The SI.com article had nothing...

(09-12-2013 12:13 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I guess we'll be awaiting Oklahoma State's libel suit in that case. Bet that won't happen though.