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if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - john01992 - 09-11-2013 02:10 PM
group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane
group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP
Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis
everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - Kittonhead - 09-11-2013 02:17 PM
The consensus is an expanded AAC with the relevant teams from the MWC has the best chance of making the hypothetical D4.
The debate is more who are the relevant MWC teams and what combination would work the best more than the general idea of a 6th conference.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - john01992 - 09-11-2013 02:19 PM
(09-11-2013 02:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: The consensus is an expanded AAC with the relevant teams from the MWC has the best chance of making the hypothetical D4.
The debate is more who are the relevant MWC teams and what combination would work the best more than the general idea of a 6th conference.
and I 100% disagree with that
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - lew240z - 09-11-2013 02:24 PM
Idaho has no chance and Wyoming has very little chance.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - Kittonhead - 09-11-2013 02:36 PM
(09-11-2013 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: The consensus is an expanded AAC with the relevant teams from the MWC has the best chance of making the hypothetical D4.
The debate is more who are the relevant MWC teams and what combination would work the best more than the general idea of a 6th conference.
and I 100% disagree with that
You might but we've discussed this many times before and the AAC+ some MWC schools is where this conversation always ends up.
Do other schools deserve a look yes? Overall is the P6 topic worth the time of debate, no not until more concrete information comes out or at least some new articles.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - john01992 - 09-11-2013 02:38 PM
(09-11-2013 02:36 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: The consensus is an expanded AAC with the relevant teams from the MWC has the best chance of making the hypothetical D4.
The debate is more who are the relevant MWC teams and what combination would work the best more than the general idea of a 6th conference.
and I 100% disagree with that
You might but we've discussed this many times before and the AAC+ some MWC schools is where this conversation always ends up.
Do other schools deserve a look yes? Overall is the P6 topic worth the time of debate, no not until more concrete information comes out or at least some new articles.
yeah dont worry I have a lengthy explanation for this list. I just want to first see the response. I can imagine some uconn & ecu fans voicing some strongly worded responses
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - curtis0620 - 09-11-2013 02:40 PM
Cincinnati?
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - john01992 - 09-11-2013 02:42 PM
(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - bctn8n - 09-11-2013 02:42 PM
(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
That's the funniest post I have seen in awhile.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - NBPirate - 09-11-2013 02:46 PM
Who teaches these kids to troll nowadays?
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - john01992 - 09-11-2013 02:46 PM
(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)bctn8n Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
That's the funniest post I have seen in awhile.
what rivalry have they established with a fellow p5 school after being at the highest level of football for 90 something years?
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - curtis0620 - 09-11-2013 02:54 PM
(09-11-2013 02:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)bctn8n Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
That's the funniest post I have seen in awhile.
what rivalry have they established with a fellow p5 school after being at the highest level of football for 90 something years?
That applies to most of your group A.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - NBPirate - 09-11-2013 02:55 PM
(09-11-2013 02:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)bctn8n Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
That's the funniest post I have seen in awhile.
what rivalry have they established with a fellow p5 school after being at the highest level of football for 90 something years?
huh? what kind of qualification is that? If that is your metric then ECU is auto in.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - GO Coogs GO!!! - 09-11-2013 02:56 PM
Fixed it for you and added Cincinnati
Group A: has the best chance (In alphabetical order not preference)
Air Force
Boise State
BYU
Cincinnati
Colorado State
ECU
Houston
Navy
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
UCF
UConn
USF
Group B: has an outside chance
Army
Memphis
New Mexico
New Mexico State
Nevada
Rice
Temple
UNLV
Utah State
UTEP
Everyone else: no chance
Idaho
UMass
Wyoming
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - bigblueblindness - 09-11-2013 03:06 PM
Group A should be UConn and Cincinnati. Every other group moves down a letter.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - adcorbett - 09-11-2013 03:10 PM
The "Best Chance" would be a 12-14 league with all of the best total brands available. And by total brands, it does not have to be just football. Essentially a mishmash of the AAC, MWC, Independents, and even the MAC. However it would have to be limited to 12-14 (although I can see the argument of 16 teams and pods) to make it work. Too bloated and it dies. i.e. no merging of the two leagues.
As to how to make that work for other sports, well there are ways to do it, that don't require a lengthy discussion. But this would require leaving some people behind.
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - john01992 - 09-11-2013 03:52 PM
(09-11-2013 02:54 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)bctn8n Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
That's the funniest post I have seen in awhile.
what rivalry have they established with a fellow p5 school after being at the highest level of football for 90 something years?
That applies to most of your group A.
not at all. the western g5 schools have better established history with each other as well as other p5 schools.
SMU for example has 2 schools that it has played a total of 50, 2 more at 70 or more, and another 2 at 90 or more games with. plus another at 49 games. of those 7 combined schools six are p5 schools.
csu- 7 different teams with >50 games played
utah st. 4 different teams with a series lasting longer than 60 games played
wyoming 5 different teams with a series lasting longer than 60 games played with another team at 50+ games
cincy has ohio at 50 games, LV at 52 games & miami at 117. after that they dont have anything else higher than the mid 30s
are you starting to see the picture here......
it has nothing to do with school has X games played with another school....they are better. it has to do with which schools can use their ties with other schools to leverage a way in. because realignment is just as much about politics as it is about whose the better program
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - blunderbuss - 09-11-2013 03:54 PM
(09-11-2013 02:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)bctn8n Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
That's the funniest post I have seen in awhile.
what rivalry have they established with a fellow p5 school after being at the highest level of football for 90 something years?
Ever heard of Louisville? And wtf does that have to do with anything?
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - john01992 - 09-11-2013 03:57 PM
(09-11-2013 02:55 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)bctn8n Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: Cincinnati?
no chance.....
That's the funniest post I have seen in awhile.
what rivalry have they established with a fellow p5 school after being at the highest level of football for 90 something years?
huh? what kind of qualification is that? If that is your metric then ECU is auto in.
did michigan state, virginia tech, washington st, oregon state, oklahoma state, TCU, baylor, & texas tech get to where they were because they were racking up great seasons? or was big brother involved and/or had political pressure used on their behalf? "who you play" is a very important qualification to have. and as of right now I cant think of a single school that can be leveraged or will leverage on cincy's behalf
RE: if i had to pick the g5 schools most likely to get into d4...... - GO Coogs GO!!! - 09-11-2013 04:37 PM
(09-11-2013 03:57 PM)john01992 Wrote: did michigan state, virginia tech, washington st, oregon state, oklahoma state, TCU, baylor, & texas tech get to where they were because they were racking up great seasons? or was big brother involved and/or had political pressure used on their behalf? "who you play" is a very important qualification to have. and as of right now I cant think of a single school that can be leveraged or will leverage on cincy's behalf
In the inbred system that was the BCS and the coming shift to P5 they play each other regardless of how much history you have with them and its only going to get worse.
We have played A&M 31 times starting in 1952 but not once since the SWC. We have played Baylor 27 times since 1950 but not once since the SWC. We have played Texas Tech 30 times. We have played Texas 23 times. We have played TCU 25 times. Oklahoma State 19 times and on and on. We have only had a program since 1946.
The "rivalry" argument while something I have not seen before has no basis in fact.