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U.S News updated University rankings: - exCincy Kid - 06-10-2013 10:52 AM
Subjective and highly debatable I realize, but here they are for the MAC:
MAC:
Akron: RNP; RU/H
Ball St: 184; RU/H
BGSU: 184; RU/H
Buffalo: 106; RU/VH
CMU: RNP; DRU
EMU: 80-R(MW); M/L
Kent St: RNP; RU/H
Miami: 89; RU/H
NIU: 189; RU/H
Ohio: 131; RU/H
Toledo: RNP; RU/H
UMass: 97; RU/VH
WMU: 189; RU/H
RU/VH= Research Universities (very high research activity)
RU/H= Research Universities (high research activity)
DRU= Doctoral/Research Universities
M/L= Master's University (Larger program)
Bac/A&S= Baccalaureate College (Arts & Sciences)
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - perimeterpost - 06-10-2013 11:28 AM
I pulled this for another thread but here's the Go5 conferences ranked and sorted-
AAC CUSA MAC MWC SBC
National Universities (1-199)
CUSA- Rice: 17; RU/VH
AAC- Tulane: 51; RU/VH
AAC- SMU: 58; RU/H
AAC- UConn: 63; RU/VH
AAC- Tulsa: 83; DRU
MAC- Miami: 89; RU/H
MAC- UMass: 97; RU/VH
MAC- Buffalo: 106; RU/VH
AAC- Temple: 125; RU/H
MAC- Ohio: 131; RU/H
MWC- Colorado St: 134; RU/VH
AAC- Cincy: 139; RU/VH
CUSA- UAB: 151; RU/VH
MWC- Hawaii: 156; RU/VH
MWC- Wyoming: 156; RU/H
SBC- Idaho: 165; RU/H
MWC- SDSU: 165; RU/H
AAC- USF: 170; RU/VH
AAC- UCF: 174; RU/VH
MWC- USU: 174; RU/H
MWC- New Mexico: 179; RU/VH
MAC- Ball St: 184; RU/H
MAC- BGSU: 184; RU/H
AAC- Houston: 184; RU/VH
MWC- Nevada: 189; RU/H
SBC- NMSU: 189; RU/H
MAC- NIU: 189; RU/H
MAC- WMU: 189; RU/H
AAC- ECU: 199; DRU
CUSA- La Tech: 199; RU/H
CUSA- UNCC: 199; DRU
National Universities, rankings not published (200+)
AAC- Memphis: RNP; RU/H
CUSA- FAU: RNP; RU/H
CUSA- FIU: RNP; RU/H
CUSA- MTSU: RNP; DRU
CUSA- ODU: RNP; RU/H
CUSA- UNT: RNP; RU/H
CUSA- USM: RNP; RU/H
CUSA- UTEP: RNP; RU/H
CUSA- UTSA: RNP; RU/H
MAC- Akron: RNP; RU/H
MAC- CMU: RNP; DRU
MAC- Kent St: RNP; RU/H
MAC- Toledo: RNP; RU/H
MWC- UNLV: RNP; RU/H
SBC- Ga So: RNP; DRU
SBC- Ga St: RNP; RU/VH
SBC- UALR: RNP; DRU
SBC- ULL: RNP; RU/H
SBC- USA: RNP; RU/H
SBC- UTA: RNP; RU/H
Regional Universities
SBC- App St: 10-R(S); M/L
MWC- Air Force: 31-LA; Bac/A&S
CUSA- WKU: 33-R(S); M/L
MWC- Fresno St: 38-R(W); M/L
MWC- SJSU: 38-R(W); M/L
CUSA- Marshall: 41-R(S); M/L
SBC- Tx St: 46-R(W); M/L
SBC- Ark St: 56-R(S); M/L
MWC- Boise St: 62-R(W); M/L
SBC- Troy: 67-R(S); M/L
MAC- EMU: 80-R(MW); M/L
SBC- ULM: 91-R(S); M/L
National Liberal Arts Colleges
AAC- Navy: 14-LA; Bac/A&S
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - exCincy Kid - 06-10-2013 12:02 PM
By the way, "RNP" means ranking not published and below #199 as Perimeter noted in his listing. If it wasn't for Rice, looks like C-USA would be the lowest rated conference academically-speaking (at least by this measure) by quite a margin....they still may be last overall.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - perimeterpost - 06-10-2013 12:24 PM
I think the SBC is giving CUSA a run for its money on the race to the bottom of this ranking system. yikes.
As for our own glass house, I had no idea EMU wasn't considered a national university by USNR.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - DrTorch - 06-10-2013 12:31 PM
I hate these rankings. I'm not sure there's any value in them.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - exCincy Kid - 06-10-2013 12:31 PM
EMU not withstanding, overall the MAC is "head and shoulders" above C-USA rankings academically, at leasst by this admittedly subjective measure. Actually, a couple of their new members have better rankings (La Tech and UNCC) than most of the incumbents.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - bobcat_backer - 06-10-2013 12:38 PM
i'd be curious to see where you got these rankings. US News' newest rankings haven't been released yet and won't be until sometime later this summer. do you have a link?
never mind! I figured it out. these are last year's/the current year's rankings which were released last September. Stay tuned for this year's rankings!
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - emu steve - 06-10-2013 12:55 PM
Another way to look at the issue of rankings is to highlight schools which get certain national recognition by groups which rank universities:
1). UB - Association of American Universities (the elite membership group).
2). WMU - Doctoral Research designation by CMU (Carnegie Mellon's widely used, widely respected ranking system)
I don't have a list of the Doctoral Research universities so I don't know if UB and others made that classification.
They also rank other classification levels lower than Doctoral Research. There are four Doctoral Research universities in MI - UofM, MSU, Wayne State and WMU.
Doctoral Research is a highly coveted designation.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - NIU007 - 06-10-2013 12:57 PM
Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - emu steve - 06-10-2013 01:15 PM
(06-10-2013 12:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
AS I understand it, the 'best' MAC schools:
UB, UMass, Miami, WMU, Ohio, etc.
UB is #1 in my mind. Nationally acclaimed public university.
Miami is an excellent university as is UMass. Both have excellent academics. Miami gets extra credit for having a very beautiful campus.
WMU doesn't get national acclaim but is 'Doctoral Research' which means they have a lot of doctoral programs and tons of research activity and money. That can't be overlooked.
I think I have Ohio outside the top tier (UB, UMass, MIA, and WMU).
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - Lord Stanley - 06-10-2013 01:34 PM
(06-10-2013 12:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
Hard to argue with your metrics. Looks spot on. BGSU has really improved over the years to now lead the MAC. Whodathunkit just 3 years ago?
Though Toledo is still too high.....
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - axeme - 06-10-2013 01:41 PM
(06-10-2013 12:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
Looks like you kent count.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - NIU007 - 06-10-2013 01:44 PM
(06-10-2013 01:34 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(06-10-2013 12:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
Hard to argue with your metrics. Looks spot on. BGSU has really improved over the years to now lead the MAC. Whodathunkit just 3 years ago?
Though Toledo is still too high.....
Yea, I might have to tweak my algorithm a bit. :-)
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - emu steve - 06-10-2013 02:06 PM
(06-10-2013 01:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:(06-10-2013 01:34 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(06-10-2013 12:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
Hard to argue with your metrics. Looks spot on. BGSU has really improved over the years to now lead the MAC. Whodathunkit just 3 years ago?
Though Toledo is still too high.....
Yea, I might have to tweak my algorithm a bit. :-)
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - DrTorch - 06-10-2013 02:13 PM
(06-10-2013 01:34 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(06-10-2013 12:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
Hard to argue with your metrics. Looks spot on. BGSU has really improved over the years to now lead the MAC. Whodathunkit just 3 years ago?
Though Toledo is still too high.....
I firmy believe that Toledo is one of the top 20 universities in Lucas County.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - DetroitRocket - 06-10-2013 02:54 PM
(06-10-2013 12:55 PM)emu steve Wrote: Another way to look at the issue of rankings is to highlight schools which get certain national recognition by groups which rank universities:
1). UB - Association of American Universities (the elite membership group).
2). WMU - Doctoral Research designation by CMU (Carnegie Mellon's widely used, widely respected ranking system)
I don't have a list of the Doctoral Research universities so I don't know if UB and others made that classification.
They also rank other classification levels lower than Doctoral Research. There are four Doctoral Research universities in MI - UofM, MSU, Wayne State and WMU.
Doctoral Research is a highly coveted designation.
I believe you mean the Carnegie Foundation, not Carnegie Mellon. Anyway, Doctoral Research is their lowest rating for research universities. WMU is rated a Research University-High.
http://classifications.carnegiefoundation.org/descriptions/basic.php
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - emu steve - 06-10-2013 03:11 PM
(06-10-2013 02:54 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:(06-10-2013 12:55 PM)emu steve Wrote: Another way to look at the issue of rankings is to highlight schools which get certain national recognition by groups which rank universities:
1). UB - Association of American Universities (the elite membership group).
2). WMU - Doctoral Research designation by CMU (Carnegie Mellon's widely used, widely respected ranking system)
I don't have a list of the Doctoral Research universities so I don't know if UB and others made that classification.
They also rank other classification levels lower than Doctoral Research. There are four Doctoral Research universities in MI - UofM, MSU, Wayne State and WMU.
Doctoral Research is a highly coveted designation.
I believe you mean the Carnegie Foundation, not Carnegie Mellon. Anyway, Doctoral Research is their lowest rating for research universities. WMU is rated a Research University-High.
http://classifications.carnegiefoundation.org/descriptions/basic.php
I think you're right.
I believe at one time WMU had the highest ranking.
This might have been maybe 5 years ago.
I believe at the time WMU and Wayne State (Detroit) had the designation (WSU still has it).
Carnegie Mellon has a big reputation in IT security, not ranking their peers...
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - MileHighBronco - 06-10-2013 05:11 PM
As a Bronco, I would have had a real issue being ranked by CMU.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - The Optimist - 06-10-2013 05:14 PM
(06-10-2013 01:15 PM)emu steve Wrote:(06-10-2013 12:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Here are the rankings in the official 007 ranking system, with higher numbers being better:
Akron 5
Ball State 10
Bowling Green State 19
Buffalo 7
Central Michigan 16
Eastern Michigan 16
Kent State 10
Miami 5
Northern Illinois 17
Ohio 4
Toledo 6
Massachusetts 13
Western Michigan 16
AS I understand it, the 'best' MAC schools:
UB, UMass, Miami, WMU, Ohio, etc.
UB is #1 in my mind. Nationally acclaimed public university.
Miami is an excellent university as is UMass. Both have excellent academics. Miami gets extra credit for having a very beautiful campus.
WMU doesn't get national acclaim but is 'Doctoral Research' which means they have a lot of doctoral programs and tons of research activity and money. That can't be overlooked.
I think I have Ohio outside the top tier (UB, UMass, MIA, and WMU).
Of course you do.
RE: U.S News updated University rankings: - FlashFan - 06-10-2013 05:36 PM
(06-10-2013 12:38 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote: i'd be curious to see where you got these rankings. US News' newest rankings haven't been released yet and won't be until sometime later this summer. do you have a link?
never mind! I figured it out. these are last year's/the current year's rankings which were released last September. Stay tuned for this year's rankings!
Should we count this against Miami's ranking? ( Just joking, ex cincy kid.)