(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

(05-29-2013 08:28 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

Well the Statesman has the real numbers and they are verified by Hargis.

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

(05-29-2013 10:02 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 08:28 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

Well the Statesman has the real numbers and they are verified by Hargis.

Which tells me the reporter that wrote that article is full of it, and probably used numbers that were a year or more out of date...

(05-29-2013 10:03 AM)94panther Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

The B12 average is very misleading, because it includes A&M and Missouri who each got 1-3 million.

The teams that stayed got over 14M from the conference.

Here is the B12 IRS filing.

(05-29-2013 10:09 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:03 AM)94panther Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

The B12 average is very misleading, because it includes A&M and Missouri who each got 1-3 million.

The teams that stayed got over 14M from the conference.

Here is the B12 IRS filing.

League distributions are league distributions regardless of whether exit fees are included. The ACC is going to distribute things differently when Maryland is settled and I doubt UL is a full revenue member right away. Also the ACC's new deal is kicked in for 11-12 and the Big 12's espn deal had not yet so it wasn't apples to apples anyway.

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

(05-29-2013 10:40 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Thats impossible.

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

(05-29-2013 04:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Did you notice that the Big 12 only paid out $12M per team in '11-'12?

1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

It was announced as being over $19 million per team. Perhaps some of that got distributed after the end of the fiscal year and didn't show up on the IRS documents. I might have guessed that it was the prior year distributions showing up with the $19 million included in the next year's returns, but A&M and Missouri were in there, so it must represent the year ending last summer.

(05-29-2013 02:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  True. Mainly because most of the people saying the B12 must expand are those who wish their schools were part of a P5 conference, and are on the outside looking in. ACC fans actually make up a small percentage of the posters in those threads, and I think they're mostly there to ...

(05-29-2013 10:24 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:09 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:03 AM)94panther Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 07:57 AM)S11 Wrote:  1- Your # for the Big 12 isn't accurate. It was 19 million per team to each of the 8 sticking around. This uses exit money but also is before the new ESPN deal kicks in so it won't likely drop at all in 12-13.
http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/big-12-to-share-the-wealth-of-revenues-tv-deal/nRpCD/

2- The numbers (even with the ACCnetwork factored in) still favor us over the years in common. (assumed 3% increase on both gave a 3mm advantage to the B12 per team, the 2mm no network fee drops it to a 1mm advantage) The numbers reported are averages and our deal runs fewer years so without the back loaded extra years the gap grows.

3- Now that the GOR is signed all the ACC fans ragging on the Big 12 is petty and unnecessary. You guys are safe, we are safe, let it go.

Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

The B12 average is very misleading, because it includes A&M and Missouri who each got 1-3 million.

The teams that stayed got over 14M from the conference.

Here is the B12 IRS filing.

League distributions are league distributions regardless of whether exit fees are included. The ACC is going to distribute things differently when Maryland is settled and I doubt UL is a full revenue member right away. Also the ACC's new deal is kicked in for 11-12 and the Big 12's espn deal had not yet so it wasn't apples to apples anyway.

Presumably the Colorado/Nebraska/TAMU/Missouri exit fees are distributed back to the member schools -- the conference office isn't going to keep all of that money for itself, it's more than $30 million. Those exit fees are essentially one-time "bonus" payments to the remaining members. Or, if the exit fees were taken care of by deducting money owed to those schools from their final year in the league, it's effectively the same thing, because that's extra money in the distribution to each of the schools that stayed in the Big 12.

And, TCU and WVU are both getting "shorted" for their first few years in the league and won't get full shares until they've been in the league for three or four years, so the other eight schools might be getting larger pieces of the pie -- or maybe not, depending on how the Big 12 handles it. (The Pac-12 office is reportedly keeping the "extra" money resulting from not giving Utah a full share for the first three years, maybe they're using that money for things like PTN startup costs. Colorado somehow managed to negotiate for themselves a full revenue share from day one.)

Because of all of the "transitional issues", it might be several years before you could do an "apples to apples" comparison of revenue distributions between the Big 12 and other leagues.

(05-29-2013 05:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:24 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:09 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:03 AM)94panther Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  Don't shoot the messenger S11.
The reporter that wrote the article claims that all of the numbers came from IRS Tax Documents. This is not a us vs. them, but just an attempt to get some accurate numbers, which by the way, we may never know.

The B12 average is very misleading, because it includes A&M and Missouri who each got 1-3 million.

The teams that stayed got over 14M from the conference.

Here is the B12 IRS filing.

League distributions are league distributions regardless of whether exit fees are included. The ACC is going to distribute things differently when Maryland is settled and I doubt UL is a full revenue member right away. Also the ACC's new deal is kicked in for 11-12 and the Big 12's espn deal had not yet so it wasn't apples to apples anyway.

Presumably the Colorado/Nebraska/TAMU/Missouri exit fees are distributed back to the member schools -- the conference office isn't going to keep all of that money for itself, it's more than $30 million. Those exit fees are essentially one-time "bonus" payments to the remaining members. Or, if the exit fees were taken care of by deducting money owed to those schools from their final year in the league, it's effectively the same thing, because that's extra money in the distribution to each of the schools that stayed in the Big 12.

And, TCU and WVU are both getting "shorted" for their first few years in the league and won't get full shares until they've been in the league for three or four years, so the other eight schools might be getting larger pieces of the pie -- or maybe not, depending on how the Big 12 handles it. (The Pac-12 office is reportedly keeping the "extra" money resulting from not giving Utah a full share for the first three years, maybe they're using that money for things like PTN startup costs. Colorado somehow managed to negotiate for themselves a full revenue share from day one.)

Because of all of the "transitional issues", it might be several years before you could do an "apples to apples" comparison of revenue distributions between the Big 12 and other leagues.

Although in the Big 12's case, as mentioned in the American-Statesmen article, $10 million of the A&M/Missouri fees got distributed to the Big East.

(05-29-2013 06:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 05:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:24 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:09 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 10:03 AM)94panther Wrote:  The B12 average is very misleading, because it includes A&M and Missouri who each got 1-3 million.

The teams that stayed got over 14M from the conference.

Here is the B12 IRS filing.

League distributions are league distributions regardless of whether exit fees are included. The ACC is going to distribute things differently when Maryland is settled and I doubt UL is a full revenue member right away. Also the ACC's new deal is kicked in for 11-12 and the Big 12's espn deal had not yet so it wasn't apples to apples anyway.

Presumably the Colorado/Nebraska/TAMU/Missouri exit fees are distributed back to the member schools -- the conference office isn't going to keep all of that money for itself, it's more than $30 million. Those exit fees are essentially one-time "bonus" payments to the remaining members. Or, if the exit fees were taken care of by deducting money owed to those schools from their final year in the league, it's effectively the same thing, because that's extra money in the distribution to each of the schools that stayed in the Big 12.

And, TCU and WVU are both getting "shorted" for their first few years in the league and won't get full shares until they've been in the league for three or four years, so the other eight schools might be getting larger pieces of the pie -- or maybe not, depending on how the Big 12 handles it. (The Pac-12 office is reportedly keeping the "extra" money resulting from not giving Utah a full share for the first three years, maybe they're using that money for things like PTN startup costs. Colorado somehow managed to negotiate for themselves a full revenue share from day one.)

Because of all of the "transitional issues", it might be several years before you could do an "apples to apples" comparison of revenue distributions between the Big 12 and other leagues.

Although in the Big 12's case, as mentioned in the American-Statesmen article, $10 million of the A&M/Missouri fees got distributed to the Big East.

I didn't see that -- so the Big 12 paid half of WVU's ransom, and WVU paid the other half? Interesting.