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The only losers in realignment are - Seminole Indian - 04-21-2013 07:52 PM
the WAC, the Big East and CUSA, in that order, and that is a fact, everything else is not.
MWC, and MAC are still pretty solid and the SBC has always been the place for up and coming FCS programs to make the move to up to FBS(and no one can argue that getting App State and Ga Southern more than compensates for WKU and MTSU, and the F_U's and UNT are bottom feeders in any conference, and Ark State, Troy, and UL are solid programs ).
RE: The only losers in realignment are - Texas2Step - 04-21-2013 07:57 PM
Conference-wise, yes you are correct. Individual program-wise, the only losers are the CUSA-left behinds and the Big East-left behinds. Everybody else made out either better or on par with their former situation.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - bluesox - 04-21-2013 08:23 PM
Biggest winners: utah, tcu and rutgers
Biggest losers: uconn, cincy and usf
RE: The only losers in realignment are - goodknightfl - 04-21-2013 08:34 PM
(04-21-2013 08:23 PM)bluesox Wrote: Biggest winners: utah, tcu and rutgers
Biggest losers: uconn, cincy and usf
Plus USM.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - Gamecock - 04-21-2013 10:42 PM
Winners: Anyone who got invited to the Big Ten, SEC, or PAC 12
Losers: CUSA left behinds, Big East left behinds
RE: The only losers in realignment are - jdgaucho - 04-21-2013 11:09 PM
(04-21-2013 10:42 PM)Gamecock Wrote: Winners: Anyone who got invited to the Big Ten, SEC, or PAC 12
Losers: CUSA left behinds, Big East left behinds
WCC deserves honorable mention as a winner. Lands Pacific and BYU, loses nobody.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - Captain Bearcat - 04-22-2013 09:21 AM
Butler is also a big winner. They could have been the next San Francisco Dons or Indiana State Sycamores. But they've turned their run into a spot in a top conference, and now they have a chance to keep the best coach in the country for his whole career.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - eagleriffic - 04-22-2013 09:43 AM
(04-21-2013 08:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:(04-21-2013 08:23 PM)bluesox Wrote: Biggest winners: utah, tcu and rutgers
Biggest losers: uconn, cincy and usf
Plus USM.
Thanks for adding us in. All we can do is play who is in front of us & win. Shake off a horrific 2012 & win.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - rbostic287 - 04-22-2013 09:46 AM
(04-21-2013 07:52 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote: the WAC, the Big East and CUSA, in that order, and that is a fact, everything else is not.
MWC, and MAC are still pretty solid and the SBC has always been the place for up and coming FCS programs to make the move to up to FBS(and no one can argue that getting App State and Ga Southern more than compensates for WKU and MTSU, and the F_U's and UNT are bottom feeders in any conference, and Ark State, Troy, and UL are solid programs ).
I totally agree. The SBC will be fine and stronger in the next 2 to 3 years. Maybe someone needs to convince the current SBC members of this. A lot of them seem to think that adding GaSo and App St did nothing for the conference. Good to see that people on the outside see this differently. Another thing, can someone explain to me why most members in the SBC want to add MoSt to the conference. I just don't get it.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - Love and Honor - 04-22-2013 10:02 AM
The more the SBC can stay stable, the better they'll wind up for the future. The MAC has "won" by doing nothing and not being affected besides the Temple/UMass situation, but overall the key is that we haven't lost. Comparatively, we're making gains on the other non-AQ schools, which is fine enough by me.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - orangefan - 04-22-2013 10:05 AM
The SEC-Texas A&M union looks like a really big winner to me. The SEC gets a strong Texas presence to boost its TV deal with ESPN, and TAMU outflanks the Longhorns by putting itself in position to become the dominant football program in Texas.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - TexanMark - 04-22-2013 10:38 AM
Anyone going to the ACC has to be a big winner too: Cuse/Pitt/UL is tripling their TV $$$ ACC falling apart is overblown.
Notre Dame is a huge winner too: they get their cake and can eat it too.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - NJRedMan - 04-22-2013 10:40 AM
I wouldn't call the big east a loser in this. The founding members got back control if their conference and are still a top 4 conference in their premier sport as well as stability and quality schools lining up to join. They also got on the next big sports network who already has the PAC and big XII and will most certainly be adding at least some b1g content if not most of it. They made out pretty well. Even the bigger names of the old guard will still get to play the other old members in OOC play.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - Frank the Tank - 04-22-2013 11:03 AM
(04-21-2013 07:52 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote: the WAC, the Big East and CUSA, in that order, and that is a fact, everything else is not.
MWC, and MAC are still pretty solid and the SBC has always been the place for up and coming FCS programs to make the move to up to FBS(and no one can argue that getting App State and Ga Southern more than compensates for WKU and MTSU, and the F_U's and UNT are bottom feeders in any conference, and Ark State, Troy, and UL are solid programs ).
I'd go the opposite direction.
The only 3 conferences that are unambiguously stronger today than they were 3 years ago are the Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12.
Everyone else, even if they might have held serve financially or on-the-field with replacements (such as the Big 12 and ACC), has lost schools that they would have never wanted to lose.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - ecuacc4ever - 04-22-2013 11:06 AM
Winners:
1) Notre Dame -- as mentioned above, they get an upgraded bakery, get a newly made cake and still get to eat it.
2) ACC -- yes, Notre Dame gets to eat its own cake, but they're willing to share 5 of the slices per season, something the old Big East could never achieve.
3) MAC -- no losses.
4) Missouri -- made out like a bandit with that SEC invite
5) Louisville, starting in 2014.
6) Rutgers -- won the friggin' conference realignment lottery jackpot with the B1G invite.
7) Boise State and the MWC -- that's how I shall refer to this group of (now) stable schools
8) The New Big East -- streamlined its roster with a renewed focus on hoops and a new TV partner.
Losers:
1) UConn -- they belong with the new Big East
2) ACC -- depending on one's expectations, not getting ND to commit to full-time football could be considered a "loss" (although I don't feel that way) -- I'm sure stever will be along shortly to put me in my place and all...
3) Any of the following: AAC, SBC, C-USA -- if the expectations were that of playing "big time" college football, then this is a loss.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - NJRedMan - 04-22-2013 11:38 AM
(04-22-2013 11:06 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: Winners:
1) Notre Dame -- as mentioned above, they get an upgraded bakery, get a newly made cake and still get to eat it.
2) ACC -- yes, Notre Dame gets to eat its own cake, but they're willing to share 5 of the slices per season, something the old Big East could never achieve.
3) MAC -- no losses.
4) Missouri -- made out like a bandit with that SEC invite
5) Louisville, starting in 2014.
6) Rutgers -- won the friggin' conference realignment lottery jackpot with the B1G invite.
7) Boise State and the MWC -- that's how I shall refer to this group of (now) stable schools
8) The New Big East -- streamlined its roster with a renewed focus on hoops and a new TV partner.
Losers:
1) UConn -- they belong with the new Big East
2) ACC -- depending on one's expectations, not getting ND to commit to full-time football could be considered a "loss" (although I don't feel that way) -- I'm sure stever will be along shortly to put me in my place and all...
3) Any of the following: AAC, SBC, C-USA -- if the expectations were that of playing "big time" college football, then this is a loss.
Utah to one of the power three is a big winner and TCU getting the long horn ban lifted is huge.
The MWC even though they absorbed the WAC still lost Utah, BYU and TCU which were their three best programs. Id say that's a loss.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - PirateMarv - 04-22-2013 11:46 AM
(04-22-2013 11:06 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: Winners:
1) Notre Dame -- as mentioned above, they get an upgraded bakery, get a newly made cake and still get to eat it.
2) ACC -- yes, Notre Dame gets to eat its own cake, but they're willing to share 5 of the slices per season, something the old Big East could never achieve.
3) MAC -- no losses.
4) Missouri -- made out like a bandit with that SEC invite
5) Louisville, starting in 2014.
6) Rutgers -- won the friggin' conference realignment lottery jackpot with the B1G invite.
7) Boise State and the MWC -- that's how I shall refer to this group of (now) stable schools
8) The New Big East -- streamlined its roster with a renewed focus on hoops and a new TV partner.
Losers:
1) UConn -- they belong with the new Big East
2) ACC -- depending on one's expectations, not getting ND to commit to full-time football could be considered a "loss" (although I don't feel that way) -- I'm sure stever will be along shortly to put me in my place and all...
3) Any of the following: AAC, SBC, C-USA -- if the expectations were that of playing "big time" college football, then this is a loss.
The ACC is not a winner in this. They lost one of their founding members, which was a cornerstone. And 2 more members are openly flirting with the B12.
Moreover, the MWC is not a winner in this either. They lost Utah, TCU and BYU. Those 3 programs were the MWC. Boise State just got there from the WAC.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - ecuacc4ever - 04-22-2013 12:23 PM
Methinks an ACC in which all 15 members have reportedly agreed to sign a GOR says the ACC is a winner. We will miss Maryland in much the same way the SEC misses GT.
And... Louisville is an upgrade.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - PirateMarv - 04-22-2013 12:33 PM
(04-22-2013 12:23 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: Methinks an ACC in which all 15 members have reportedly agreed to sign a GOR says the ACC is a winner. We will miss Maryland in much the same way the SEC misses GT.
And... Louisville is an upgrade.
Maryland is the flagship university in one of the richest state in the nation. The campus is right outside of the nation's capital. I don't see the upgrade, but alright.
RE: The only losers in realignment are - ecuacc4ever - 04-22-2013 12:34 PM
Just a matter of perception, is all -- I'm comfortable agreeing to disagree with you, sir.