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RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - MTPiKapp - 04-20-2013 11:18 AM
(04-19-2013 10:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I say this with absolutely no real clue, but first thought would be Idaho? I can't think of a sport they are excelling in. This could be my own ignorance though, so please don't take offense, Idaho fans.
Idaho I would think would certainly be in the running and is a fair comparison as they moved to FBS just three years after ULM did. However in nineteen seasons at the FBS level ULM has exactly one winning season, one bowl appearance and one conference co championship, in sixteen seasons at the FBS level has three winning seasons, two bowl games and one conference championship. Idaho has been a little better in good seasons, but also worse in bad seasons(seven seasons of only 1 or 2 wins compared to only four such seasons for ULM).
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - Campaign4Liberty - 04-20-2013 11:24 AM
(04-19-2013 05:40 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:(04-19-2013 03:28 PM)knucklehead Wrote: Again, we would never ever spend this much time depating the fringe statements or POVs of any other school's professors, etc. There are fringe thinkers all over all educational campuses. It is not at all limited to LU. Yet this digging and smearing does seem to be limited to LU. Not at all surprising, just pointing it out. I am all for sharing your views on LU, but his is starting to get old and similar to a witch hunt.
You are taking the martyrdom syndrome to the extreme, which is to be expected when indefensible things are said by those you support.
Truth is, this will continue until Liberty changes it's image. How does Liberty go about doing that? By NOT continuing to employ people that make these remarks.
When Liberty starts to shun those thinking like that, they will cease to be lumped in with those with the "fringe" statements as you call them. Remember, freedom of speech and religion is allowing you to do what you want in those regards, but it doesn't insulate you from the consequences.
The old adage holds true: You lay with dogs, you're gonna get fleas.
NOTE: I'm not telling you what to do with your university. You noted that it is constantly being brought up, I am merely telling you how to get that to stop.
It would be quite presumptuous to think that the majority of Liberty supports comments like Reisman's...Obviously people here within the university, whether they be students, faculty, or staff, have many differing viewpoints on a wide variety of subjects and I am sure those comments would be met with strong resistance by many. I for one would not agree that porn "turns people gay" although I surely believe it does negatively affect the brain in many ways in which I won't dive into here...
FWIW, Reisman is a visiting professor in the law school....Not a full-time faculty member. She has also lectured at Princeton, Notre Dame, Georgetown, Pepperdine, and Johns Hopkins Med School.
Not to defend her comments, just adding a bit more to the story. Maybe it's the name Judith....Berkeley has their own Judith, Judith Butler, who is just as extreme on the left as Reisman is on the right....then you have other ultra extreme leftist professors like Dean Spade at Seattle
U School of Law and quite a few other professors in the Pacific Northwest advocating for the complete undoing of gender in society....as if normal gender identity is a bad thing! These are the same types pushing for three bathrooms, one for male, one for female, and then one for transexual / transgender types who just aren't sure today...
So to conclude....can we not lump all of the Liberty community in with the fringe comments of a visiting professor? To do so would assume of course, using the same logic, that all of Princeton supports infanticide, as Princeton professor Peter Singer does, All of Seattle U wants to completely undo and redefine, or should I say not define at all, gender in America as Dean Spade wants to do, and that all of Berkeley supports Judith Butler in her war on all forms of cultural taboo, even going as far as to question the incest taboo...
You see REV, knucklehead was right. One professor does not speak for an entire university, not at Liberty, Berkeley, Seattle, Princeton, Harvard, Florida Atlantic, etc.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - BRtransplant - 04-20-2013 11:35 AM
(04-20-2013 09:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:(04-19-2013 07:32 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:(04-19-2013 02:34 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote: Their separation landed them in a conference with 80% of the teams they were trying to separate from.
We mainly wanted to maintain our separation from the UL twins. Mission accomplished.
Just like you guys maintained your separation from ULM when you guys turned down an Independence Bowl bid last year. Mission accomplished
It was a calculated risk. We rolled the dice on getting a bid to a more prestigious bowl and the I-Bowl was offended. I don't blame the I-Bowl for doing what they did and I don't fault our administration for doing what it did either.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - Campaign4Liberty - 04-20-2013 11:41 AM
(04-19-2013 04:28 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote: Yeah did you hear about that dean from Michigan calling for all the gays in Africa to be killed?
How about that professor who claimed porn causes homosexuality from Colorado St.?
Oh, wait...
Well now that you mentioned it......
1. Peter Singer, a Professor at Princeton, argues in favor of infanticide, wanting a 9 day window for parents to decide AFTER birth whether or not they want to keep their baby. If not, they should be allowed to legally "abort" the baby, again up to 9 days after birth. You can't make this stuff up.
2. Judith Butler at Berkeley argues in favor of all kinds of things you would never want your children to hear about, including the outright questioning of why we consider incest taboo in his country.
Now if you're honest with yourself you'll say...C4L...you know what, you're right, there are professors at other schools out there saying outlandish things, even about killing people. I apologize and didn't realize professors at "prestigious" universities were actually allowed to continue teaching with said beliefs, stated publicly...
If you're stubborn, considering your original post and the uneducated assumption that no one out there would ever argue for murder, you'll try to somehow justify Singer's comments and Princeton's "Academic freedom".....
You can have your way debating some of these other guys...but when you make comments like the one above and I get wind, you better have something more to bring to the table because I simply have more and better arguments than you do.
Speaking of which, our debate team here at LU just won our 33rd national title, FWIW.
http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?PID=18495&MID=87496
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - TheRevSWT - 04-20-2013 12:19 PM
(04-20-2013 11:24 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote: You see REV, knucklehead was right. One professor does not speak for an entire university, not at Liberty, Berkeley, Seattle, Princeton, Harvard, Florida Atlantic, etc.
No, my statements still stand. The martyrdom that knucklehead is trying to portray is borderline absurd.
And like it or not, the backlash is what happens when your university was run recently by a loon, and has professors spouting absurd extremities.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - featherhead - 04-20-2013 02:20 PM
(04-20-2013 11:09 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:(04-20-2013 01:19 AM)featherhead Wrote: [quote='MTPiKapp' pid='9250888' dateline='1366427106']
Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I guess I would not feel comfortable referring to any school as the "worst overall athletic department in FBS" especially if in the previous season they had won the conference baseball tournament, had beaten an SEC team (Arkansas), had gone to a bowl, had beaten my own team in football 31-17 and had completed a winning season with an out of conference win against Tulane 63-10 and close losses to Auburn 28-31 and Baylor 42-47. But that's just me.
--featherhead
One season does not change everything. Nearly two decades to have your first winning season in football and less than five total Sun Belt titles across all sports in nearly a decade of competition. You aren't even averaging a championships a year. I wonder how many programs across the country can say they've had multiple years without a single conference championship in.any sport.
Mentioning a win over Tulane and two close losses....
[/ld quote]
I was just thinking those close OOC losses were probably more impressive than ULM's win last season over Middle 31-17 or our win over you the year before by a score of 42-14. Also, if I had gone further back in time and mentioned ULM's wins over Miss. State, Kentucky and Alabama, you would have said that only the most recent records really matter, and you would have been right. ULM will continue to do the best it can with what it has.
--featherhead
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - Tom in Lazybrook - 04-20-2013 02:40 PM
Mat Staver is the DEAN of the LU Law School. For all the debate titles LU has, it still cant find a comparable dean at any other FBS or FCS school that is even remotely comparable. Heres an idea. Why not ship Barber and Staver over to Pat Robertsons school of law (or the Farris outfit) and try to not offend everyone unecessarily? Id still oppose LU because I oppose any school where openly Gay persons cannot be employed, but id likely be a minority in my opposition. All anyone has to do now to bolster ones case is a quick google on Matt Barber or Matt Staver and operation reduce Liberty to a joke is complete. Staver went on natl radio again on April4. His statements were quite controversial. I think its obvious that people monitor what these guys do.
I actually understand that not everyone at LU is a theocratic homophobe. But the onus is on those persons to demand that their university stop harming the reputation of their school.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - Brokeback Flamer - 04-20-2013 10:13 PM
You can have your way debating some of these other guys...but when you make comments like the one above and I get wind.......
Sooooo many fart jokes. Soooooo little time
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - bluephi1914 - 04-21-2013 01:48 AM
(04-20-2013 11:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I say this with absolutely no real clue, but first thought would be Idaho? I can't think of a sport they are excelling in. This could be my own ignorance though, so please don't take offense, Idaho fans.
Idaho I would think would certainly be in the running and is a fair comparison as they moved to FBS just three years after ULM did. However in nineteen seasons at the FBS level ULM has exactly one winning season, one bowl appearance and one conference co championship, in sixteen seasons at the FBS level has three winning seasons, two bowl games and one conference championship. Idaho has been a little better in good seasons, but also worse in bad seasons(seven seasons of only 1 or 2 wins compared to only four such seasons for ULM).
Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - GoApps70 - 04-21-2013 02:38 AM
(04-21-2013 01:48 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:(04-20-2013 11:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I say this with absolutely no real clue, but first thought would be Idaho? I can't think of a sport they are excelling in. This could be my own ignorance though, so please don't take offense, Idaho fans.
Idaho I would think would certainly be in the running and is a fair comparison as they moved to FBS just three years after ULM did. However in nineteen seasons at the FBS level ULM has exactly one winning season, one bowl appearance and one conference co championship, in sixteen seasons at the FBS level has three winning seasons, two bowl games and one conference championship. Idaho has been a little better in good seasons, but also worse in bad seasons(seven seasons of only 1 or 2 wins compared to only four such seasons for ULM).
Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
You guys aren't going anywhere. There is a ton of schools that would have loved to do some of the things you did last year.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - cajunbane - 04-21-2013 03:31 AM
(04-21-2013 02:38 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:(04-21-2013 01:48 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:(04-20-2013 11:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I say this with absolutely no real clue, but first thought would be Idaho? I can't think of a sport they are excelling in. This could be my own ignorance though, so please don't take offense, Idaho fans.
Idaho I would think would certainly be in the running and is a fair comparison as they moved to FBS just three years after ULM did. However in nineteen seasons at the FBS level ULM has exactly one winning season, one bowl appearance and one conference co championship, in sixteen seasons at the FBS level has three winning seasons, two bowl games and one conference championship. Idaho has been a little better in good seasons, but also worse in bad seasons(seven seasons of only 1 or 2 wins compared to only four such seasons for ULM).
Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
You guys aren't going anywhere. There is a ton of schools that would have loved to do some of the things you did last year.
There are some schools who did much, much better than they did also. Please don't give them any credit for their choke job last year. Bootleg and slide deserves no credit.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - cajunbane - 04-21-2013 03:35 AM
(04-20-2013 02:20 PM)featherhead Wrote:(04-20-2013 11:09 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:(04-20-2013 01:19 AM)featherhead Wrote: [quote='MTPiKapp' pid='9250888' dateline='1366427106']
Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I guess I would not feel comfortable referring to any school as the "worst overall athletic department in FBS" especially if in the previous season they had won the conference baseball tournament, had beaten an SEC team (Arkansas), had gone to a bowl, had beaten my own team in football 31-17 and had completed a winning season with an out of conference win against Tulane 63-10 and close losses to Auburn 28-31 and Baylor 42-47. But that's just me.
--featherhead
One season does not change everything. Nearly two decades to have your first winning season in football and less than five total Sun Belt titles across all sports in nearly a decade of competition. You aren't even averaging a championships a year. I wonder how many programs across the country can say they've had multiple years without a single conference championship in.any sport.
Mentioning a win over Tulane and two close losses....
[/ld quote]
I was just thinking those close OOC losses were probably more impressive than ULM's win last season over Middle 31-17 or our win over you the year before by a score of 42-14. Also, if I had gone further back in time and mentioned ULM's wins over Miss. State, Kentucky and Alabama, you would have said that only the most recent records really matter, and you would have been right. ULM will continue to do the best it can with what it has.
--featherhead
Moral victories and meaningless wins that get ULM NOWHERE. Win when it counts...not when you catch an SEC team napping. If that's all you have to beat your chest over...head back to the drawing board, cause you are doing it wrong. Bootleg and slide is no way to go through life son.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - FoUTASportscaster - 04-21-2013 04:23 AM
(04-19-2013 10:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I say this with absolutely no real clue, but first thought would be Idaho? I can't think of a sport they are excelling in. This could be my own ignorance though, so please don't take offense, Idaho fans.
Ironic, considering you are in the same conference as they are and they sit second in the current commissioner's cup standings behind Utah State. Meanwhile, Texas State sits fifth, 16.25 points back of Idaho. UTA, despite not fielding a football or soccer team sits only a point and a half behind the Bobcats.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - Arrowhead - 04-21-2013 07:10 AM
(04-21-2013 04:23 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:43 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:(04-19-2013 10:05 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Yes, let me ask the sportswriters you vaguely referred to: if not ULM, who has the worst overall athletic department in FBS?
I say this with absolutely no real clue, but first thought would be Idaho? I can't think of a sport they are excelling in. This could be my own ignorance though, so please don't take offense, Idaho fans.
Ironic, considering you are in the same conference as they are and they sit second in the current commissioner's cup standings behind Utah State. Meanwhile, Texas State sits fifth, 16.25 points back of Idaho. UTA, despite not fielding a football or soccer team sits only a point and a half behind the Bobcats.
MTpiKap, I wouldn't reply either. Haha, you got made look stupid. Again, the darlings of the 2012 national football scene, respected by teams and fans nation wide, treated as the red headed step child in their own conference. MtpiKap and name, when was either of your last wins over a top 10 team?
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - MTPiKapp - 04-21-2013 08:48 AM
(04-21-2013 01:48 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote: Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
Pretty sure Kent State's budget is more than double ULM'S.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - MTPiKapp - 04-21-2013 09:24 AM
(04-21-2013 07:10 AM)Arrowhead Wrote: MTpiKap, I wouldn't reply either. Haha, you got made look stupid. Again, the darlings of the 2012 national football scene, respected by teams and fans nation wide, treated as the red headed step child in their own conference. MtpiKap and name, when was either of your last wins over a top 10 team?
How did I "get made stupid"? This isn't about ULM's 2012 accomplishments which I'm well aware of, including the victory over one of the more woefully overrated "top ten" teams in recent years. Saying you guys beat a top ten team is jue like saying we beat a ACC division champ, both technically true, but a fan of either school trying to brag about those accomplishments would be disingenuous at best. Georgia Tech was a division champ by virtue of Miami's sanctions, Arkansas was a top ten team based on their 2011 season, that is unless you believe their week 1 victory over Jax State qualified them as a top ten team. Both were good victories, both fan bases should be proud, but c'mon man...
Again this isn't about 2012 this is about the last nineteen seasons of football, the last nine seasons as a Sun Belt member(how does a program spend nine seasons as a full member of a conference and win as few total titles as ULM has in the Sun Belt? If you guys left the conference this year, there'd barely be any proof in the Sun Belt record books or your trophy case that you were even here) and this is about a shoestring budget that is in danger of shrinking even more.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - bluephi1914 - 04-21-2013 09:25 AM
(04-21-2013 08:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:(04-21-2013 01:48 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote: Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
Pretty sure Kent State's budget is more than double ULM'S.
And I'm sure it has been for all of the years they worse or just as well as ULM. The reality of it all is that ULM does a lot with the lowest budget in FBS. But, they will be a heck of a force to deal with once they get their budget up a few more million dollars. We are tapping into our donor and alumni base like never before. Things are actually turning around at ULM.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - Warsaw landing - 04-21-2013 09:32 AM
(04-21-2013 08:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:so is yours and mtsu currently has a two game losing streak to us in football.(04-21-2013 01:48 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote: Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
Pretty sure Kent State's budget is more than double ULM'S.
We compete just fine in the sun belt, but those making a big deal out of our budget should just really feel pathetic everytme you lose to ulm.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - MTPiKapp - 04-21-2013 09:34 AM
(04-21-2013 09:25 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:(04-21-2013 08:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:(04-21-2013 01:48 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote: Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
Pretty sure Kent State's budget is more than double ULM'S.
And I'm sure it has been for all of the years they worse or just as well as ULM. The reality of it all is that ULM does a lot with the lowest budget in FBS. But, they will be a heck of a force to deal with once they get their budget up a few more million dollars. We are tapping into our donor and alumni base like never before. Things are actually turning around at ULM.
For one thing this isn't just about football, but ULM isn't being talked about moving down out of a lack of competitiveness in football, at least not by me, it's about being woefully underfunded and letting non-revenue sports wither on the vine in order to allow ULM football to "do more with less"and this is about rumors of budgetary concerns. If you are increasing your budget, you won't hear anything from me(though I'm not sure "a few million" will go as far as you seem to think) but if you do see your budget shrink and can't pay an AD...I think the moving down talk is merited.
RE: As the Sun Belt turns. - MTPiKapp - 04-21-2013 09:42 AM
(04-21-2013 09:32 AM)Warsaw landing Wrote:(04-21-2013 08:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:so is yours and mtsu currently has a two game losing streak to us in football.(04-21-2013 01:48 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote: Funny thing is that Kent State of the MAC had a terrible run from 1994 until recent time. Their lack of winning seasons appears to be abismal as well. However, they have evaded the crap talk of "move down" or "unable to perform at this level". Seems some schools are privy to double standards...or some people are just ignorant to what all goes on in college football and take that ignorance out unfairly on other programs.
Pretty sure Kent State's budget is more than double ULM'S.
We compete just fine in the sun belt, but those making a big deal out of our budget should just really feel pathetic everytme you lose to ulm.
Anomalies exist, especially when once in a generation talents like Browning come along(we're still 9-4 against you all time despite back to back losses) but again this isn't just about football, your football has spent 18 seasons in varying stages of mediocrity and dreadfullness and one season starting as a media darling and limping to a disappointing finish. If we were just talking about football, the discussion would be about how you guys are below average, but not terrible, there are worse FBS football programs(not a ton, but they're out there) this is about underfunding and being a non factor in nearly every sport other than football nearly every season.