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Does anyone in Indiana care? - westwolf - 03-31-2013 10:05 AM
The B1G divisional alignment seems set except for a choice of Indiana or Purdue to go the West. I've seen no comment from Indianans about this subject. Does anyone out there care?
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - He1nousOne - 03-31-2013 11:06 AM
(03-31-2013 10:05 AM)westwolf Wrote: The B1G divisional alignment seems set except for a choice of Indiana or Purdue to go the West. I've seen no comment from Indianans about this subject. Does anyone out there care?
My guess would be that both schools would like to be aligned to the East considering the Michigans and Ohio State are there as well as the new markets. Indiana's rivalries are MSU and Illinois. They will lose the Illinois rivalry as they will like maintain cross rivalry with Ohio State but honestly that probably wont be as big of a deal as maintaining with the big schools of the East.
Personally I think Indiana should be put East and Purdue should be put West due to the style of play both teams have.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - Captain Bearcat - 03-31-2013 11:33 AM
People in Indiana care waaaay more about basketball than football. Especially IU fans.
I'm in West Lafayette now, and I think that most people just want the Boilers to continue to play the old Big 10 schools and ND. There's slight interest in playing Nebraska and Penn State (about the same as playing UC, which they will do next year). There's practically zero interest in playing Rutgers and Maryland.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - USAFMEDIC - 03-31-2013 11:53 AM
Oops. There's that divisional problem. Where have we seen this picture? Be like the SEC and place the existing schools where they wish and place the new kids on the block where it's best for everyone else. They can always move with further expansion.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - RUScarlets - 03-31-2013 12:20 PM
Protect MSU/UM as a cross game. Unless they want to move OSU/UM earlier in the year. Indiana can go west but it don't matter either way. MSU Illinois and Wisconsin are good bball as is. No need for Indiana there. Protect Purdue/Indiana as a football cross.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - Terps_N_Phoenix - 03-31-2013 12:41 PM
I don't remember where I saw it (maybe UM SBN site) but it said something to the effect of, the B1G wanted it to be either Indiana or Purdue since UM/MSU would require a protected crossover game. They wanted to showcase UM as much as possible since it is a national brand name and not have it locked into the crossover. Having them locked into the crossover would mean they wouldn't play the other western division foes as much. I have no idea how much truth their is to this or if it is just some UM fan speculating. It does make a little bit of sense though.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - BruceMcF - 03-31-2013 01:27 PM
(03-31-2013 12:41 PM)Terps_N_Phoenix Wrote: I don't remember where I saw it (maybe UM SBN site) but it said something to the effect of, the B1G wanted it to be either Indiana or Purdue since UM/MSU would require a protected crossover game. They wanted to showcase UM as much as possible since it is a national brand name and not have it locked into the crossover. Having them locked into the crossover would mean they wouldn't play the other western division foes as much. I have no idea how much truth their is to this or if it is just some UM fan speculating. It does make a little bit of sense though.Yes, if you only lock Indiana/Purdue, and leave everyone else unlocked (with MSU in the East), then once they move to a 9 game conference schedule, that's on average 1/6 of the time a team sees the locked cross-division school, so hosts them 1/12 of the time.
In the same twelve years, you've played four of the unlocked cross division teams four times, and two of them three times (the two years you were playing the unlocked teams), so its either 1/4 or 1/3 of the time.
So not locking OSU and Michigan cross division means that either most of the time or most schools see them twice as often.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - ohio1317 - 03-31-2013 01:49 PM
Reading other boards, I get the impression Purdue fans want in the west. The Illinois-Purdue game means something to them and they don't want to lose it. Purdue also has been competive and stands better chance of ever winning a division in the west. Add in the fact that the east is already very top heavy and I think Indiana goes east.
Problem with divisions as a whole is that aside from Penn State, none of the fanbases really want to be with Rutgers and Maryland (both are fine schools, but there's no tradition between them and most the rest and it's hard to give up 2 games a year to play both of them).
That trade-off is part of things though. Ohio State and Michigan go in division which gives most their fans something. Penn State and the newbies are thrilled with the more eastern focus. Indiana's administration is going to be mainly concerned with filling the stadium and the east helps with that.
In the west, they get fewer big names, but the division will feel a lot more Big Ten with 6 traditional schools and Nebraska who fits the mold very well. Also they'll (over the long haul) have easier time getting to the title game.
Michigan State is the most conflicted here. I get the impression, their administration would much rather be in the west (even if they claim being happy with anything). That would require a locked crossover with Michigan though and that's not going to happen since it would reduce the rest of the wests games against Michigan too much.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - etsuandpurdue3 - 03-31-2013 02:09 PM
All I want is Purdue,Indiana,and Illinois in the same divison.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - BruceMcF - 03-31-2013 02:11 PM
(03-31-2013 01:49 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: Problem with divisions as a whole is that aside from Penn State, none of the fanbases really want to be with Rutgers and Maryland (both are fine schools, but there's no tradition between them and most the rest and it's hard to give up 2 games a year to play both of them).At that school up north, though, this is a split between the fanbase and the administration, which really likes the increased East Coast exposure. There are a lot of their alumni in both NYC and DC.
They used to be conflicted about whether to split "The Game" between divisions or have it in-division, but ever since the MD/Rutgers move was announced, their AD seems to be talking up the benefits of having "The Game" in-division.
Which is fine with me ... I started cheering for the Buckeyes as a teenager when my mom was going to OSU during the Ten Year War. I grew up used to The Game being two big dogs fighting over one bone. Now that a regular season game to decide the conference championship is off the table, an end of regular season in-division game to either punch the Buckeyes ticket to the CCG, deny that team up north a trip that same ticket, or both, is as close as its possible to come to that.
It kind of sucks to have both newbies plus Indiana, but the Buckeyes have been playing Indiana for quite a long time, and we may as well keep playing them to find out whether it gets to 100 games or 10 Indiana wins first.
(03-31-2013 02:09 PM)etsuandpurdue3 Wrote: All I want is Purdue,Indiana,and Illinois in the same divison.Looks like you won't get what you want. I'd happily rearrange the divisions so the Buckeyes have the Michigan and Illinois schools and only got one of the newbies, but that's not going to happen either.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - XLance - 03-31-2013 02:12 PM
(03-31-2013 11:33 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: People in Indiana care waaaay more about basketball than football. Especially IU fans.
I'm in West Lafayette now, and I think that most people just want the Boilers to continue to play the old Big 10 schools and ND. There's slight interest in playing Nebraska and Penn State (about the same as playing UC, which they will do next year). There's practically zero interest in playing Rutgers and Maryland.
It will be interesting to see if Notre Dame continues to schedule Purdue on a regular basis after 2014.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - BruceMcF - 03-31-2013 02:23 PM
(03-31-2013 02:12 PM)XLance Wrote: It will be interesting to see if Notre Dame continues to schedule Purdue on a regular basis after 2014.Why? Under the coming deal, there's no pressing reason for Notre Dame to drop that game ~ their BBall-bribe commitment only goes up by two games, and they already dropped that school up north, which accounts for one of them, while reportedly signaling to the Spartans that they'll want to keep playing them, but perhaps not as often. So no reason they won't play Purdue and a second Big Ten school on an ongoing basis.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - SeaBlue - 03-31-2013 03:43 PM
(03-31-2013 02:12 PM)XLance Wrote: It will be interesting to see if Notre Dame continues to schedule Purdue on a regular basis after 2014.
IIRC, the contract lasts for a while.
It's a great game for the athletes and local fans. Back on campus in time to enjoy the weekend. And Purdue will want the game no matter what B1G thinks of ND.
If Michigan State or Purdue are ever dropped from the schedule, take it as a serious sign that tradition is being tossed out the window in South Bend.
As for Indiana and Purdue. I'm not sure that the football game needs to be played every year since, as mentioned, basketball is more important. It's like Michigan and ND. The football game doesn't need to be played every year for the rivalry to continue.
Seems like they could figure out how to play 2 basketball games every year even if not in the same division.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - Captain Bearcat - 03-31-2013 04:01 PM
(03-31-2013 02:12 PM)XLance Wrote:(03-31-2013 11:33 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: People in Indiana care waaaay more about basketball than football. Especially IU fans.
I'm in West Lafayette now, and I think that most people just want the Boilers to continue to play the old Big 10 schools and ND. There's slight interest in playing Nebraska and Penn State (about the same as playing UC, which they will do next year). There's practically zero interest in playing Rutgers and Maryland.
It will be interesting to see if Notre Dame continues to schedule Purdue on a regular basis after 2014.
As someone who grew up an ND football fan, I think that ND appreciates the fact that for decades Purdue was the only Big 10 team that would schedule them (MSU would too, but they weren't in the Big 10 until the 50s). There's some nostalgia for the game, and it's typically an easy win against a BCS school. If ND keeps playing any annual games against Midwestern schools, it'll be Purdue first, and NW or MSU second.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - XLance - 03-31-2013 04:50 PM
(03-31-2013 02:12 PM)XLance Wrote:(03-31-2013 11:33 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: People in Indiana care waaaay more about basketball than football. Especially IU fans.
I'm in West Lafayette now, and I think that most people just want the Boilers to continue to play the old Big 10 schools and ND. There's slight interest in playing Nebraska and Penn State (about the same as playing UC, which they will do next year). There's practically zero interest in playing Rutgers and Maryland.
It will be interesting to see if Notre Dame continues to schedule Purdue on a regular basis after 2014.
I see that Purdue is on the Notre Dame schedule at least through 2020, but Michigan and Michigan State are only scheduled twice each after 2014, and nothing after 2017.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - BruceMcF - 03-31-2013 05:40 PM
(03-31-2013 04:50 PM)XLance Wrote: I see that Purdue is on the Notre Dame schedule at least through 2020, but Michigan and Michigan State are only scheduled twice each after 2014, and nothing after 2017.ND exercised an option to shut off their series with that school up north ~ the last game of the series is their first game of the football scheduling deal with the ACC, which starts a year early because Notre Dame BBall wanted to escape the burning building that was the Old Big East.
With the Big Ten likely going to 9 conference games in 2016. the Spartans won't want to play Notre Dame every year, but they'll play them multiple times in a decade.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - TerryD - 03-31-2013 06:03 PM
Purdue fans are very difficult to deal with. Their venom for ND was old and tiresome years ago. They are nasty and obnoxious, in my opinion.
They think the same about ND fans. I don't know whey they would continue to be interested in playing ND.
Personally, I would rather ND just play one Big Ten team a year (Michigan State). I would like to see ND drop Purdue forever.
But, yes, the ND administration will probably keep the Purdue series alive, unfortunately.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - BruceMcF - 03-31-2013 06:11 PM
(03-31-2013 06:03 PM)TerryD Wrote: Purdue fans are very difficult to deal with. Their venom for ND was old and tiresome years ago. They are nasty and obnoxious, in my opinion.Didn't you just spell out why? The hatred runs deep enough that the sweetness of the occasional upset sparkles and shines in their memories for years to come.
They think the same about ND fans. I don't know whey they would continue to be interested in playing ND.
As far as why the Purdue administration wants to keep playing Notre Dame, its because its the only time they get on national TV.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - TerryD - 03-31-2013 06:19 PM
(03-31-2013 06:11 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:(03-31-2013 06:03 PM)TerryD Wrote: Purdue fans are very difficult to deal with. Their venom for ND was old and tiresome years ago. They are nasty and obnoxious, in my opinion.Didn't you just spell out why? The hatred runs deep enough that the sweetness of the occasional upset sparkles and shines in their memories for years to come.
They think the same about ND fans. I don't know whey they would continue to be interested in playing ND.
As far as why the Purdue administration wants to keep playing Notre Dame, its because its the only time they get on national TV.
Why help Purdue? I'd just as soon see the series die off. Purdue too.
I wouldn't mind a reverse Big Ten boycott and just stop playing Big Ten teams completely.
ND can focus on games along the East Coast, Southeast, Southwest and California.
Their home games will cover the Midwest well enough.
RE: Does anyone in Indiana care? - BruceMcF - 03-31-2013 06:35 PM
(03-31-2013 06:19 PM)TerryD Wrote: Why help Purdue? I'd just as soon see the series die off. Purdue too.The more strongly you express that animosity, the more convincing you make the case to the Notre Dame administration that they should keep the game.
(03-31-2013 01:27 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: Yes, if you only lock Indiana/Purdue, and leave everyone else unlocked (with MSU in the East), then once they move to a 9 game conference schedule, that's on average 1/6 of the time a team sees the locked cross-division school, so hosts them 1/12 of the time.Boy I mucked that up ~ I said 9 game conference schedule, but worked out an eight game conference schedule.
In the same twelve years, you've played four of the unlocked cross division teams four times, and two of them three times (the two years you were playing the unlocked teams), so its either 1/4 or 1/3 of the time.
So not locking OSU and Michigan cross division means that either most of the time or most schools see them twice as often.
For a 9 game conference schedule, the unlocked schools play the locked school cross division 3/9 times, and the unlocked schools cross division 4/9 times, so most years, the Western schools play either OSU or that school up north, hosting one or the other four years out of nine.