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C7 - nBE separation deal near? - MinerInWisconsin - 02-28-2013 11:26 AM
According to this article it looks like a deal will be made by tournament time.
Still could be for 2013.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-depaul-marquette-big-east-20130227,0,2929687.story
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Attackcoog - 02-28-2013 12:49 PM
2013 is looking like a much much stronger possibility based on the Blaudschun article.
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5347
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - CommuterBob - 02-28-2013 12:56 PM
Katz says it comes down to whether or not the C7 can get the other schools they want to include in their new conference to leave their respective conferences early.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/77529/3-point-shot-jim-calhoun-in-a-good-place
The additional exit fees from the A-10 are less of a concern than the soccer schedule for August.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Melky Cabrera - 02-28-2013 01:08 PM
If the C7 leave early, they will be leaving a lot of money on the table in NCAA tournament credits. Being willing to forego an extra year of those pay outs is a big sacrifice on their part to begin with and a big financial boon to the nBE since the pies will be cut fewer ways after the C7 are gone. If the nBE is too aggressive in what else they ask for, they do so at their own risk. Most of the C7 are not wealthy and the NCAA money left behind is important to them. If Fox wants them badly enough, they could help if they are so inclined.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - stever20 - 02-28-2013 01:16 PM
(02-28-2013 01:08 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: If the C7 leave early, they will be leaving a lot of money on the table in NCAA tournament credits. Being willing to forego an extra year of those pay outs is a big sacrifice on their part to begin with and a big financial boon to the nBE since the pies will be cut fewer ways after the C7 are gone. If the nBE is too aggressive in what else they ask for, they do so at their own risk. Most of the C7 are not wealthy and the NCAA money left behind is important to them. If Fox wants them badly enough, they could help if they are so inclined.
I think I heard the C7 gets to keep their hoops units per the seperation agreement.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Louis Kitton - 02-28-2013 01:23 PM
(02-28-2013 01:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:(02-28-2013 01:08 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: If the C7 leave early, they will be leaving a lot of money on the table in NCAA tournament credits. Being willing to forego an extra year of those pay outs is a big sacrifice on their part to begin with and a big financial boon to the nBE since the pies will be cut fewer ways after the C7 are gone. If the nBE is too aggressive in what else they ask for, they do so at their own risk. Most of the C7 are not wealthy and the NCAA money left behind is important to them. If Fox wants them badly enough, they could help if they are so inclined.
I think I heard the C7 gets to keep their hoops units per the seperation agreement.
I bet the C7 only produced 20% of the units over the last 6 year period. I could be off on that # though.
That would take the Big East basketball war chest down from 30 million to 24 million (2.4 million per school). That is still a fairly sizable amount.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - bullet - 02-28-2013 01:33 PM
(02-28-2013 01:23 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:(02-28-2013 01:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:(02-28-2013 01:08 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: If the C7 leave early, they will be leaving a lot of money on the table in NCAA tournament credits. Being willing to forego an extra year of those pay outs is a big sacrifice on their part to begin with and a big financial boon to the nBE since the pies will be cut fewer ways after the C7 are gone. If the nBE is too aggressive in what else they ask for, they do so at their own risk. Most of the C7 are not wealthy and the NCAA money left behind is important to them. If Fox wants them badly enough, they could help if they are so inclined.
I think I heard the C7 gets to keep their hoops units per the seperation agreement.
I bet the C7 only produced 20% of the units over the last 6 year period. I could be off on that # though.
That would take the Big East basketball war chest down from 30 million to 24 million (2.4 million per school). That is still a fairly sizable amount.
Someone calculated it on another thread. Don't remember the exact numbers, but the leftover 3 had slightly more than the C7. Leavers had more than either, but they've given that up. The C7 and leftover 3 have to decide how to divide the leavers' share in addition to the exit fees.
C7 argument is probably 70/30. Leftovers probably would divide by their units vs. C7 units and then keep all of the football schools exit fees.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - stever20 - 02-28-2013 01:52 PM
Marquette 36 plus this year *6
Villanova 23 plus this year *6
Georgetown 19 plus this year *6
St Johns 4
(Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul 0)
C7 82 units
UConn 36
Cincy 23 plus this year*6
USF 15
Rutgers 0
Aresco 74 units
Louisville 44 plus this year *6
Syracuse 43 plus this year *6
West Va 33
Pitt 24 plus this year *6
Notre Dame 18 plus this year *6
teams leaving- 162(though I think ND keeps theirs so 144).
Also you have to remember this year.
C7 has 3 teams in- 2 as locks now and Villanova
Aresco has 1 team in- other 2 are out
so bare minimum C7 if all lost 1st round- the gap would be 18-6 for this year- makign the gap 100-80.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Attackcoog - 02-28-2013 02:38 PM
(02-28-2013 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote: Marquette 36 plus this year *6
Villanova 23 plus this year *6
Georgetown 19 plus this year *6
St Johns 4
(Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul 0)
C7 82 units
UConn 36
Cincy 23 plus this year*6
USF 15
Rutgers 0
Aresco 74 units
Louisville 44 plus this year *6
Syracuse 43 plus this year *6
West Va 33
Pitt 24 plus this year *6
Notre Dame 18 plus this year *6
teams leaving- 162(though I think ND keeps theirs so 144).
Also you have to remember this year.
C7 has 3 teams in- 2 as locks now and Villanova
Aresco has 1 team in- other 2 are out
so bare minimum C7 if all lost 1st round- the gap would be 18-6 for this year- makign the gap 100-80.
Doesnt matter. The C7/Big East split is different from the typical situation. The C-7 gets to split the cash assets of the Big East when they leave. They will be taking thier share of the credits and exit fees with them. Depending on the method of split, they will be losing very little.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - CougarRed - 02-28-2013 02:43 PM
For 7 schools leaving 1-2 years early, and taking the name with them, they should leave everything behind and pay us money to boot.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Louis Kitton - 02-28-2013 03:01 PM
(02-28-2013 01:52 PM)stever20 Wrote: Marquette 36 plus this year *6
Villanova 23 plus this year *6
Georgetown 19 plus this year *6
St Johns 4
(Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul 0)
C7 82 units
UConn 36
Cincy 23 plus this year*6
USF 15
Rutgers 0
Aresco 74 units
Louisville 44 plus this year *6
Syracuse 43 plus this year *6
West Va 33
Pitt 24 plus this year *6
Notre Dame 18 plus this year *6
teams leaving- 162(though I think ND keeps theirs so 144).
Good work. The C7 has roughly 25% then of all the basketball units earned by the Big East.
I don't see how the C7 is entitled to any units but the ones they've earned while Louisville, Syracuse, West Virginia, Pitt and Notre Dame give up what they earned in the Big East while acquiring a split in the ACC NCAA money. That chops the basketball till down to 22 million (2 million split 11 ways). That is significant cash for the football schools.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - 1845 Bear - 02-28-2013 03:06 PM
Why exactly does the C7 have any right to the NCAA credits? Doesn't the league keep those from any departing team?
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - CardFan1 - 02-28-2013 03:19 PM
The very reason Us Football schools never really liked the C7's. Screwed everyone else out of what We earned but get to keep their portion as they flip off the Football schools while heading out the door. Don't let it hit you on the way out. You'd probably try to Sue Us.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - NJRedMan - 02-28-2013 03:30 PM
(02-28-2013 03:19 PM)CardFan1 Wrote: The very reason Us Football schools never really liked the C7's. Screwed everyone else out of what We earned but get to keep their portion as they flip off the Football schools while heading out the door. Don't let it hit you on the way out. You'd probably try to Sue Us.
Hold on your tin foil hat is on crooked.
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I love how we screwed you over by inviting you to the best BBall conference. Rutgers got the same cut too, why arent you ranting and raving about them? I know I saw GTown and Nova go to a final four while you were a member so you got money from that.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Wedge - 02-28-2013 03:33 PM
If they do reach an agreement on dividing up the NCAA hoops credits, will UConn/Cincinnati/USF keep for themselves the money that the C7 doesn't take, or will they throw it into a pot to divide with the incoming schools?
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - johnbragg - 02-28-2013 03:42 PM
(02-28-2013 03:06 PM)S11 Wrote: Why exactly does the C7 have any right to the NCAA credits? Doesn't the league keep those from any departing team?
Leagues keep credits from withdrawing team. This is a split.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Louis Kitton - 02-28-2013 03:47 PM
(02-28-2013 03:33 PM)Wedge Wrote: If they do reach an agreement on dividing up the NCAA hoops credits, will UConn/Cincinnati/USF keep for themselves the money that the C7 doesn't take, or will they throw it into a pot to divide with the incoming schools?
I would believe that NCAA credits will be split evenly within the Big East as a perk for the new schools joining since the ESPN money is also going to be split evenly.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - Wedge - 02-28-2013 03:50 PM
(02-28-2013 03:47 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:(02-28-2013 03:33 PM)Wedge Wrote: If they do reach an agreement on dividing up the NCAA hoops credits, will UConn/Cincinnati/USF keep for themselves the money that the C7 doesn't take, or will they throw it into a pot to divide with the incoming schools?
I would believe that NCAA credits will be split evenly within the Big East as a perk for the new schools joining since the ESPN money is also going to be split evenly.
Maybe. We'll see what happens. Between now and July 1, there are a lot of things that UConn/Cincinnati/USF might do if they want to act in their own self-interest.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - johnbragg - 02-28-2013 03:55 PM
(02-28-2013 03:47 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:(02-28-2013 03:33 PM)Wedge Wrote: If they do reach an agreement on dividing up the NCAA hoops credits, will UConn/Cincinnati/USF keep for themselves the money that the C7 doesn't take, or will they throw it into a pot to divide with the incoming schools?
I would believe that NCAA credits will be split evenly within the Big East as a perk for the new schools joining since the ESPN money is also going to be split evenly.
That's possible, but it's not what the entrance contracts say. The Memphis and Houston entrance contracts say they don't get revenue from tournament units earned before their entry.
Now pretty much anything can change with a 3/4 vote, but that's where it stands now.
RE: C7 - nBE separation deal near? - 1845 Bear - 02-28-2013 04:20 PM
(02-28-2013 03:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:(02-28-2013 03:06 PM)S11 Wrote: Why exactly does the C7 have any right to the NCAA credits? Doesn't the league keep those from any departing team?
Leagues keep credits from withdrawing team. This is a split.
Call it what you want but unless there is some different legal language in the bylaws isn't it the same as 7 concurrently withdrawing?