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Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - NIU75 - 02-04-2013 11:11 PM
Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8915580/detroit-area-man-guilty-toledo-sports-point-shaving-scandal
DETROIT -- A Detroit-area businessman has pleaded guilty to conspiracy in a point-shaving investigation involving football and basketball at the University of Toledo from 2004-06.
Mitchell "Ed" Karam also pleaded guilty to conspiring to fix horse races at Tampa Bay Downs in Florida and Delaware Downs in Delaware in 2005 and 2006. His guilty plea also covers a fraud charge in a separate real estate investigation.
Karam's plea Monday in Detroit federal court comes nearly four years after he was indicted in the Toledo probe along with another Detroit businessman, Ghazi "Gary" Manni.
The government says they paid players to get inside information or affect performance while placing bets on the Rockets. At least four former Toledo athletes have pleaded guilty. Prosecutors say Karam and Manni bet approximately $331,000 on basketball games.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - DiehardHuskie - 02-04-2013 11:16 PM
Scooooooooooooooooooter.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - cawoo22 - 02-05-2013 10:05 AM
(02-04-2013 11:16 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote: Scooooooooooooooooooter.
Those Rockets is dirty, I tells ya.
Cue indignant Toledo fan screaming from the treetops about UT's awesomeness in 3,2,1.....
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - MidnightBlueGold - 02-05-2013 11:23 AM
(02-05-2013 10:05 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-04-2013 11:16 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote: Scooooooooooooooooooter.
Those Rockets is dirty, I tells ya.
Cue indignant Toledo fan screaming from the treetops about UT's awesomeness in 3,2,1.....
Who cares about point shaving! We're THE BEST!!! EVER!! AND EVER WILL BE!!!
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - HuskieFootball Addict - 02-05-2013 11:42 AM
(02-05-2013 11:23 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:(02-05-2013 10:05 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-04-2013 11:16 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote: Scooooooooooooooooooter.
Those Rockets is dirty, I tells ya.
Cue indignant Toledo fan screaming from the treetops about UT's awesomeness in 3,2,1.....
Who cares about point shaving! We're THE BEST!!! EVER!! AND EVER WILL BE!!!
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - sarasotahuskie - 02-05-2013 12:05 PM
(02-05-2013 11:23 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:1:18? Slacker!!!(02-05-2013 10:05 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-04-2013 11:16 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote: Scooooooooooooooooooter.
Those Rockets is dirty, I tells ya.
Cue indignant Toledo fan screaming from the treetops about UT's awesomeness in 3,2,1.....
Who cares about point shaving! We're THE BEST!!! EVER!! AND EVER WILL BE!!!
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - Stpetebeachrocketfan - 02-05-2013 12:28 PM
(02-05-2013 10:05 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-04-2013 11:16 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote: Scooooooooooooooooooter.
Those Rockets is dirty, I tells ya.
Cue indignant Toledo fan screaming from the treetops about UT's awesomeness in 3,2,1.....
This is fun, while we are on topic of cheating, are NIU employees still selling property of the university and keeping the money for themselves? Plus we can concentrate on you guys while you concentrate on us.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - sarasotahuskie - 02-05-2013 12:31 PM
(02-05-2013 12:28 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:Never did. They use the money for coffee.(02-05-2013 10:05 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-04-2013 11:16 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote: Scooooooooooooooooooter.
Those Rockets is dirty, I tells ya.
Cue indignant Toledo fan screaming from the treetops about UT's awesomeness in 3,2,1.....
This is fun, while we are on topic of cheating, are NIU employees still selling property of the university and keeping the money for themselves? Plus we can concentrate on you guys while you concentrate on us.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - 7 - 02-05-2013 12:40 PM
Remember that one time Toledo used to beat NIU all the time? That was cute.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - MidnightBlueGold - 02-05-2013 01:26 PM
(02-05-2013 12:40 PM)7 Wrote: Remember that one time Toledo used to beat NIU all the time? That was cute.
Remember that one time NIU actually could fill their stadium? That was cute.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - Stpetebeachrocketfan - 02-05-2013 01:54 PM
(02-05-2013 01:26 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:(02-05-2013 12:40 PM)7 Wrote: Remember that one time Toledo used to beat NIU all the time? That was cute.
Remember that one time NIU actually could fill their stadium? That was cute.
Hey now, lets be easy on our Huskie friends. Their mens basketball team attendance for the entire year will match that of one or two of our womens basketball games.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - cawoo22 - 02-05-2013 02:11 PM
(02-05-2013 01:54 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:(02-05-2013 01:26 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:(02-05-2013 12:40 PM)7 Wrote: Remember that one time Toledo used to beat NIU all the time? That was cute.
Remember that one time NIU actually could fill their stadium? That was cute.
Hey now, lets be easy on our Huskie friends. Their mens basketball team attendance for the entire year will match that of one or two of our womens basketball games.
But we do consistently draw more fans than Toledo MAC football championships of the last decade.
I'll admit, that's setting the bar a little low, but work with me.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - MidnightBlueGold - 02-05-2013 02:19 PM
(02-05-2013 02:11 PM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-05-2013 01:54 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:(02-05-2013 01:26 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:(02-05-2013 12:40 PM)7 Wrote: Remember that one time Toledo used to beat NIU all the time? That was cute.
Remember that one time NIU actually could fill their stadium? That was cute.
Hey now, lets be easy on our Huskie friends. Their mens basketball team attendance for the entire year will match that of one or two of our womens basketball games.
But we do consistently draw more fans than Toledo MAC football championships of the last decade.
I'll admit, that's setting the bar a little low, but work with me.
Just barely.
UT's last 2 MACC games ('02, '04): total attendance of 46,720 (avg of 23,360)
NIU's 4 MACC games ('05, '10, '11, '12): total attendance of 55,266 (avg of 13,816)
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - cawoo22 - 02-05-2013 02:22 PM
(02-05-2013 02:19 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:(02-05-2013 02:11 PM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-05-2013 01:54 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:(02-05-2013 01:26 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:(02-05-2013 12:40 PM)7 Wrote: Remember that one time Toledo used to beat NIU all the time? That was cute.
Remember that one time NIU actually could fill their stadium? That was cute.
Hey now, lets be easy on our Huskie friends. Their mens basketball team attendance for the entire year will match that of one or two of our womens basketball games.
But we do consistently draw more fans than Toledo MAC football championships of the last decade.
I'll admit, that's setting the bar a little low, but work with me.
Just barely.
UT's last 2 MACC games ('02, '04): total attendance of 46,720 (avg of 23,360)
NIU's 4 MACC games ('05, '10, '11, '12): total attendance of 55,266 (avg of 13,816)
Oh, no, no, no. You misunderstood me. I meant we are trying to draw more fans than Toledo championships of the last decade.... which would be one. We've blown that number out of the water at every game this season.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - MidnightBlueGold - 02-05-2013 02:32 PM
(02-05-2013 02:22 PM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-05-2013 02:19 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:(02-05-2013 02:11 PM)cawoo22 Wrote:(02-05-2013 01:54 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:(02-05-2013 01:26 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: Remember that one time NIU actually could fill their stadium? That was cute.
Hey now, lets be easy on our Huskie friends. Their mens basketball team attendance for the entire year will match that of one or two of our womens basketball games.
But we do consistently draw more fans than Toledo MAC football championships of the last decade.
I'll admit, that's setting the bar a little low, but work with me.
Just barely.
UT's last 2 MACC games ('02, '04): total attendance of 46,720 (avg of 23,360)
NIU's 4 MACC games ('05, '10, '11, '12): total attendance of 55,266 (avg of 13,816)
Oh, no, no, no. You misunderstood me. I meant we are trying to draw more fans than Toledo championships of the last decade.... which would be one. We've blown that number out of the water at every game this season.
Oh, gotcha. Damn, you're right. You got us beat on that one.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - OldTtimeNIU - 02-05-2013 06:28 PM
Toledo is a lot closer to Detroit so you should draw more fans for games at Ford Field...Isn't it a day trip from today?
And if Rocket fans are so loyal how come virtually none show up in DeKalb for important games with NIU?
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - Boca Rocket - 02-05-2013 08:27 PM
(02-05-2013 06:28 PM)OldTtimeNIU Wrote: Toledo is a lot closer to Detroit so you should draw more fans for games at Ford Field...Isn't it a day trip from today?
And if Rocket fans are so loyal how come virtually none show up in DeKalb for important games with NIU?
Because midweek games suck for fans that have to travel more than a couple hours. I would love to see the UT-NIU games played on Saturdays and in October instead of November.
RE: Toledo point-shaver pleads guilty - prairiedawg - 02-05-2013 08:47 PM
Nothing WEAKER in the world than attendance smack.
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