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AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-09-2012 02:03 PM
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Quote:Class of 2012 (17)
Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment
Jah-Mai Davidson/Defensive lineman is redshirting this year.
Treavor Flannigan/Offensive lineman is redshirting this year. Shows potential.
Garrett Gorringe/Offensive lineman is redshirting this year. Shows potential.
Chris Jenkins/Athlete is redshirting this year.
Melvin King/Back-up defensive end. Shows potential.
Joe Lockley/Back-up defensive tackle. Strongest player on team. Shows potential.
Myles Morris/Cornerback is redshirting this year.
Joseph Peterson/Starting at inside linebacker.
Mark Ruskell/Offensive lineman is redshirting this year.
Nathan Schuster/Redshirting this year. Knee injury.
Tanner Strickland/Defensive end is redshirting this year.
Avery Sweeting/Back-up wide receiver and playing special teams. Second-fastest player on team.
Aaron Thomas/Didn’t enroll.
Kyle Vorster/Playing on special teams; back-up at outside linebacker.
Mark Weidenaar/No longer on team.
Bryan Williams/2 stars/Has become a starter at outside linebacker.
LaDarion Young/ 2 stars/Safety is redshirting this year.
Class of 2011 (6)
Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment
Christian Benvenuto/2 stars/On-again, off-again performer. Mostly solid when he hasn’t been suspended or disciplined.
McLain Head/Redshirted last year. Suffered a concussion in the preseason that has sidelined him.
Nick Henderson/2 stars/SSuffered a torn ACL in the spring; out for season
David Huey/Started at defensive tackle before suffering a season-ending injury
Ben McLane/Won starting QB job in spring; has struggled as a starter this year.
Roderick Thompson/No longer on team.
Class of 2010 (18)
Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment
Patrick Baker/No longer on team.
Aaron Gambrah/No longer on team.
Alex Findura/No longer on team.
Blake James/Concussion forced him to leave team.
Ulrick John/Full-time starter at offensive tackle this year. Has played all along the line previous years.
Isaiah Howard/Promising cornerback but needs to develop consistency.
Justin Hughes/2 stars/No longer on team.
Sherrod Loud/Never enrolled.
Demarius Matthews/3 stars/Developing as a cornerback. Broke up nine passes last year; has one this year.
Cole Moon/3 stars/Has yet to find a position.
Eric Odonkor/No longer on team.
Drew Pearson/Two catches this year.
Jamal Ransby/Three interceptions in previous two seasons. Ten tackles this year.
Jarrell Robinson/2 stars/Seeing more playing time at inside linebacker.
C.J. Stephens/Starting at defensive end this year. Has 16 tackles.
Albert Wilson/Arguably team’s best player. Has more than 1,500 receiving yards with 13 touchdowns.
Terrance Woodard/Arguably team’s best defensive player.
Tim Wynn/3 stars/Shows potential on offensive line.
Class of 2009 (27)
Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment
Nate Anthony/2 stars/Back-up player that has switched between offense and defense.
Fred Barnes/2 stars/No longer on team.
Tyler Blackwell/2 stars/Didn’t enroll.
Sam Burkhalter/2 stars/No longer on team. Suffered a career-ending injury
Harrison Clottey/2 stars/Starting on offensive line this year. Back-up previous two years.
Eduardo Curry/2 stars/No longer on team.
Ramell Davis/2 stars/Back-up offensive lineman.
Travis Evans/2 stars/Back-up running back.
Robert Ferguson/2 stars/Part-time starter at linebacker.
Jordan Giles/2 stars/Solid as a No. 3 wide receiver. Dealing with injuries this year.
Kelton Hill/2 stars/Started at quarterback, now playing wide receiver.
Mark Hogan/2 stars/Mostly a starter at inside linebacker each of the past three seasons.
Darris Hughes/2 stars/No longer on team.
Grant King/2 stars/Has started every game on the offensive line since he enrolled.
Parris Lee/3 stars/Back-up player at running back.
Drew Little/2 stars/Started 11 games at QB in 2010 before being suspended. No longer on team.
Darren McCray/2 stars/Back-up player at wide receiver.
Allen McKay/2 stars/A back-up player on defense.
K.J. Morton/2 stars/Didn’t qualify. Now at Baylor.
Justin Orr/2 stars/No longer on the team.
Bo Schlechter/2 stars/No longer on the team after proving valuable as a punter, back-up quarterback, and spot starter at quartrback.
Demetreious Shorter/2 stars/No longer on the team.
Parker Stevens/2 stars/No longer on the team.
Danny Williams/2 stars/84 catches in 2010 and ’11. Dealing with injuries this year.
Karl Williams/2 stars/No longer on the team.
Blake Wyatt/2 stars/A back-up player on defense.
Note: I’m not sure why every player in this class received at least two stars when few players in subsequent classes did. It strikes me as odd.
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RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - TrojanCampaign - 10-09-2012 02:13 PM
I think you guys should try and do what South did to build up it's fan base even if it's a little humorous. You guys should just forget what people will say about you and schedule division 3 teams and bad FCS teams for non conference before you become another UAB minus the basketball. Georgia State probably wont see it's first bowl game for over ten years so a win is a win in my book. No one wants to go watch a loser even if your winning against bad teams.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-09-2012 02:16 PM
What does that have to do with this thread? And how would we do that anyway when we start playing an SBC schedule next year?
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - Tiguar - 10-09-2012 02:26 PM
(10-09-2012 02:16 PM)panama Wrote: What does that have to do with this thread? And how would we do that anyway when we start playing an SBC schedule next year?
Yeah it's a little late to be manipulating schedules.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-09-2012 02:35 PM
(10-09-2012 02:26 PM)Tiguar Wrote:(10-09-2012 02:16 PM)panama Wrote: What does that have to do with this thread? And how would we do that anyway when we start playing an SBC schedule next year?
Yeah it's a little late to be manipulating schedules.
Just praying for the correct hire.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - slycat - 10-09-2012 02:37 PM
It's interesting. A lot of players have left the team. I'm sure if you did this for other teams there is probably an expected amount of that and injuries.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - Atlanta Trojan - 10-09-2012 02:40 PM
GSU will be fine down the road. Last year they ranked #18 in the FCS in attendance. but they were winning more games. Once they get in the Sun Belt they will take their beatings and perhaps have winless or 1 or 2 win seasons but eventually they will start winning and getting more butts in the seats. Atlanta is no Miami and will better support their teams.
GSU might be averaging 10k this year but next year they will do better with FBS play. GSU just better hope Troy and MTSU comes to Atlanta next year.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-09-2012 02:40 PM
(10-09-2012 02:37 PM)slycat Wrote: It's interesting. A lot of players have left the team. I'm sure if you did this for other teams there is probably an expected amount of that and injuries.
Yeah that's what I am trying to figure out. What is a normal attrition rate over time. Is ours high or close to normal?
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - GaSouthern - 10-09-2012 03:53 PM
(10-09-2012 02:40 PM)panama Wrote:(10-09-2012 02:37 PM)slycat Wrote: It's interesting. A lot of players have left the team. I'm sure if you did this for other teams there is probably an expected amount of that and injuries.
Yeah that's what I am trying to figure out. What is a normal attrition rate over time. Is ours high or close to normal?
seems a little high, you will also lose some kids when the new coach comes in. Georgia Southern lost a lot of players from 05-2010 going through four coaches. Now that Monken is in Statesboro for his 3rd year and winning more than .700, we have not had that problem anymore.
Land a good hire this off season and in three years you might have a really good team.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-09-2012 03:57 PM
(10-09-2012 03:53 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:(10-09-2012 02:40 PM)panama Wrote:(10-09-2012 02:37 PM)slycat Wrote: It's interesting. A lot of players have left the team. I'm sure if you did this for other teams there is probably an expected amount of that and injuries.
Yeah that's what I am trying to figure out. What is a normal attrition rate over time. Is ours high or close to normal?
seems a little high, you will also lose some kids when the new coach comes in. Georgia Southern lost a lot of players from 05-2010 going through four coaches. Now that Monken is in Statesboro for his 3rd year and winning more than .700, we have not had that problem anymore.
Land a good hire this off season and in three years you might have a really good team.
I think it will help if the new HC makes good OC and DC hires who come in an establish steadfast systems. Our kids on defense are in their 3rd scheme. Our offensive kids are on their second, we think. I say we think because I have no idea what John Bond's offensive identity is.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - GaSouthern - 10-09-2012 04:03 PM
Because GaSta has so long in advance to scour the available coaches I don't think it will be a problem.
Georgia Southern dropped the hammer on Mike Sewak in a huge surprise after 2005's Playoff season that ended at Texas State. We then rushed out and hired Brian VanGorder from the NFL who had no time to pick up a good coaching staff and he put together a hodge podge of losers, literally. We then proceeded to put together the worst season in school history going 3-8. You should not have a similar problem picking up good assistants if the hire gets made early enough in the off-season or late this season.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-09-2012 04:07 PM
Hopefully we have a name by Dec 1
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - freshtop - 10-09-2012 04:20 PM
Things can be turned around in a heartbeat with the right staff.
Look at WKU.
We went 0-26.
Willie steps in and we go 2-10.
Then 7-5.
Now 4-1 thus far.
All it takes is a staff that can coach and recruit, fan support will come with success.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-09-2012 04:26 PM
(10-09-2012 04:20 PM)freshtop Wrote: Things can be turned around in a heartbeat with the right staff.I usually look forward to the beginning of the season. But really looking forward to the end this season.
Look at WKU.
We went 0-26.
Willie steps in and we go 2-10.
Then 7-5.
Now 4-1 thus far.
All it takes is a staff that can coach and recruit, fan support will come with success.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - itsmeagain - 10-10-2012 01:29 AM
(10-09-2012 04:26 PM)panama Wrote:(10-09-2012 04:20 PM)freshtop Wrote: Things can be turned around in a heartbeat with the right staff.I usually look forward to the beginning of the season. But really looking forward to the end this season.
Look at WKU.
We went 0-26.
Willie steps in and we go 2-10.
Then 7-5.
Now 4-1 thus far.
All it takes is a staff that can coach and recruit, fan support will come with success.
I prefer to phrase it as "I'm really looking forward to basketball season"
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - GoApps70 - 10-10-2012 02:25 AM
Naturally all the experience you can get in a coach or coordinator is a big plus. However, your administration is going to have to weigh that against going for someone that is more unknown with a high upside. They could hire a well known coach that is near retirement or even retired maybe, but do not think they would want something like that. You need someone that will be there for a long time or relatively so. Someone that, hopefully, will get things set up and really going, but will not move at the first sign of success.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-10-2012 07:20 AM
(10-10-2012 02:25 AM)GoApps70 Wrote: Naturally all the experience you can get in a coach or coordinator is a big plus. However, your administration is going to have to weigh that against going for someone that is more unknown with a high upside. They could hire a well known coach that is near retirement or even retired maybe, but do not think they would want something like that. You need someone that will be there for a long time or relatively so. Someone that, hopefully, will get things set up and really going, but will not move at the first sign of success.
Still think the next hire is a current coordinator.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - CajunExpress - 10-10-2012 07:29 AM
(10-09-2012 04:20 PM)freshtop Wrote: Things can be turned around in a heartbeat with the right staff.
Look at WKU.
We went 0-26.
Willie steps in and we go 2-10.
Then 7-5.
Now 4-1 thus far.
All it takes is a staff that can coach and recruit, fan support will come with success.
Sorry but I have to disagree here a little. Your head coach and university had extreme success winning a 1AA title as the quarterback. He goes off to learn under Harbaugh and comes back to WKU. Everything indicates this was a partnership made in heaven.
Georgian State has never had success and it will take a lot longer to get that success no matter the coach.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - panama - 10-10-2012 07:37 AM
(10-10-2012 07:29 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:(10-09-2012 04:20 PM)freshtop Wrote: Things can be turned around in a heartbeat with the right staff.
Look at WKU.
We went 0-26.
Willie steps in and we go 2-10.
Then 7-5.
Now 4-1 thus far.
All it takes is a staff that can coach and recruit, fan support will come with success.
Sorry but I have to disagree here a little. Your head coach and university had extreme success winning a 1AA title as the quarterback. He goes off to learn under Harbaugh and comes back to WKU. Everything indicates this was a partnership made in heaven.
Georgian State has never had success and it will take a lot longer to get that success no matter the coach.
We have no history for anyone to say there is no success. Its 3 seasons. One winning and two losing. There is no sample data when you're a startup.
RE: AJC: Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009 - blunderbuss - 10-10-2012 09:10 AM
Looks like over the past 3 years you've lost 20 of 68 (29%) players for some reason. Didn't enroll, Quit, injury, transfer, whatever. Then on top of that you have 10 of 68 (15%) redshirting right now.
11 of 27 (41%) from the 2009 class are gone. That's pretty disturbing as these guys would / should be solid contributors this year.
Effectively you're only getting "significant" contributions from roughly 56% of your recruits the past 3 years. It sounds to me like GA St is suffering from a very empty cupboard and a pretty awful coaching staff, which by my best guess has something to do with the transfers / quitters. I guess the real question is why are so many players leaving?
EDIT: every time I looked at the title of this thread I thought it said "AJC: EvaCuating all of Georgia State's signees....." I think you might need to evacuate the coaching staff.