(07-22-2012 03:27 PM)djnva Wrote:  I hope no one thinks me insensitive, but rumors are PSU is going to lose a large number of scholarships over the next few seasons. This will likely lead to players leaving their program.

Much like with the former CAA schools that shuttered their programs, I hope ODU is involved with any athletes that are looking for a new home.

When SMU was shut down: As a result of the "death penalty," a full release was granted to every player on the team, allowing them to transfer to another school without losing any eligibility; most immediately announced they were considering going elsewhere. As soon as the NCAA announced its decision, hundreds of recruiters from 80 universities--including such powerhouses as Penn State, Oklahoma, and Alabama--traveled to SMU in hopes of persuading players to transfer to their schools.[20][21]

(07-22-2012 04:16 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-22-2012 03:27 PM)djnva Wrote:  I hope no one thinks me insensitive, but rumors are PSU is going to lose a large number of scholarships over the next few seasons. This will likely lead to players leaving their program.

Much like with the former CAA schools that shuttered their programs, I hope ODU is involved with any athletes that are looking for a new home.

When SMU was shut down: As a result of the "death penalty," a full release was granted to every player on the team, allowing them to transfer to another school without losing any eligibility; most immediately announced they were considering going elsewhere. As soon as the NCAA announced its decision, hundreds of recruiters from 80 universities--including such powerhouses as Penn State, Oklahoma, and Alabama--traveled to SMU in hopes of persuading players to transfer to their schools.[20][21]

I hope we see the elimination of Penn State football for some period of time.
I believe that the NCAA's lack of institutional control clause is more than enough to impose the death penalty.

Someone else said that SMU should sue the NCAA for lost revenue if this doesn't happen. I agree.

Having said all that, I am sure Coach Wilder will be watching closely.

(07-22-2012 05:57 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  To compare the smu situation and the psu situation would be dangerous. Smu committed major violations and received the death penalty because they were already on probation. While psu hasn't committed a violation. Psu is being charged with immoral behavior which is not covered in the NCAA manual.

I expect that they will lose a ton of scholarships over the next 3 years. Plus bowl bans and tv ban. They wont face the death penalty.

Keep in mind smu football could have survived the death penalty if it was just about not playing a year smu football would have been able to play in 1988. however the inability to recruit and the free for all with transfers is what killed them. If not for those to things they would have made it.

Smu doesn't have a leg to stand on. They violated a rule. Hence the reason why they voted against the repeated violator rule back in 1985

(07-22-2012 09:46 PM)Monarchs Wrote:  I read on ESPN that while the death penalty isn't expected, the death penalty might have been preferable to what their punishment will be.. We'll see tomorrow.

(07-23-2012 07:56 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  The problem was Joe Pa and the administration covered up and didn't act on information back in the 90s, because they feared if it got out it would reflect badly on the institution. Well ultimately, this kind of thing always gets out and it is always worse when it comes out later rather than sooner. Had they gone public back then they would be hailed as heroes today. But they were shortsighted in their pursuit of football winning. The long term effects, i.e., the civil lawsuits they'll face, will be much more damaging than anything the NCAA meets out.

I've always respected Penn State more than any of the other football "factories" and now that trust is lost. There was always the sense that they did it the right way. And from a football perspective I don't think that view has really changed. But from a human point of view, their actions have destroyed many young men's lives. And I hope they pay a huge price from a civil standpoint. I am on the fence as far as "death penalty" goes. From a football persepective they did not commit viloations. They didn't acquire an unfair advantage in the pursuit of recruits. They just turned a blind eye to the most important aspect of our society - they let down our children! They were the ones who should have stood up and protected and fought for our children. What penalty can ever correct that?




On the other side. I think Sandusky should be hung upside down by his balls. I think they should insert a glass rod up his shank and shatter it. The man should be fed human excrement for the rest of his life. And he should be set out into the general prison population so he gets to experience first hand what he did to so many young boys.

(07-23-2012 08:35 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 07:56 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  The problem was Joe Pa and the administration covered up and didn't act on information back in the 90s, because they feared if it got out it would reflect badly on the institution. Well ultimately, this kind of thing always gets out and it is always worse when it comes out later rather than sooner. Had they gone public back then they would be hailed as heroes today. But they were shortsighted in their pursuit of football winning. The long term effects, i.e., the civil lawsuits they'll face, will be much more damaging than anything the NCAA meets out.

I've always respected Penn State more than any of the other football "factories" and now that trust is lost. There was always the sense that they did it the right way. And from a football perspective I don't think that view has really changed. But from a human point of view, their actions have destroyed many young men's lives. And I hope they pay a huge price from a civil standpoint. I am on the fence as far as "death penalty" goes. From a football persepective they did not commit viloations. They didn't acquire an unfair advantage in the pursuit of recruits. They just turned a blind eye to the most important aspect of our society - they let down our children! They were the ones who should have stood up and protected and fought for our children. What penalty can ever correct that?




On the other side. I think Sandusky should be hung upside down by his balls. I think they should insert a glass rod up his shank and shatter it. The man should be fed human excrement for the rest of his life. And he should be set out into the general prison population so he gets to experience first hand what he did to so many young boys.

I agree with everything in the first and final paragraph. As for the bolded portion, I continue seeing this argument and I scratch my head. Sandusky was the DC and LB coach until 1999 (at a school known as LB U). The advantage for PSU is clearly not being affiliated with a pederast, even though they were. For every year they helped cover this up, it delayed recruits and their parents seeing PSU differently (as you pointed out, they were a football factory that appeared to do things the right way). Once that news was unveiled, it changed the perception of the entire program. And while the news and backlash would have been different in the 90s/early 00s, it still would have negatively affected how everyone saw Happy Valley.

(07-23-2012 11:20 AM)Monarch_Pride Wrote:  60 million dollars? Really? It's the US Department of Justice's job to punish criminals and wrongdoers, not the greedy NCAA who just wants an excuse for money. I'm no Penn State fan, but this is bogus.