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RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - IceJus10 - 03-24-2012 03:18 PM
The Big East is being rebuilt by Notre Dame, who is a member for everything but football - the conference has added ND's longest running yearly football opponent Navy, the conference is going after Air Force and BYU (who both appear on ND schedules), Temple (on the ND schedule) is now in the Big East. Notre Dame brought their television partners to the Big East table, which brought CBS, FOX, and ABC/ESPN back. Does any of that look like they appear to be walking away from the Big East anytime soon? We hear these arguments every spring, and yet they only continue to grow their partnership/leaderships within the conference.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - TrojanCampaign - 03-24-2012 03:27 PM
(03-23-2012 02:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:48 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: One of the five major conferences is in a slightly weaker position then the other four when it comes to the perception of their champion.
So if stability is what makes you a major why is the MAC not a AQ conference? And doesn't this criteria also eliminates the Big 12 because it has lost four teams and is a Texas away from becoming worse than the Big East.
And you have to got be kidding if you consider the ACC a major conference. They are an absolute joke vs all the other AQ conferences it's at the point to where FSU vs OU is an easy win for OU now.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - He1nousOne - 03-24-2012 04:03 PM
(03-24-2012 03:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:(03-23-2012 02:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:48 PM)FloridaJag Wrote: I thought there was 6 major conferences per the BCS.
What is with you people? Look at the F'n post. I list both stability AND television contracts. They go hand in hand and one often begets the other. The MAC is not a major because it is not a major money maker for its members. It makes decent money for them and keeps their travel costs low. It is only as stable as long as no better offers come to it's members, which for most of them is unlikely so it is decently stable. It is not stable on it's own though, only as long as bigger fish don't come looking for dinner there.
The ACC is still a Major. It's TV contracts are still very good despite the fact that they are somewhat lower than other Majors. While there is a lot of talk about raids on the ACC coming, there still have yet to be ANY. The ACC is a Major, period.
So how would you define a major? You are all about critiquing my attempt, so give us yours.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - buckaineer - 03-24-2012 08:24 PM
(03-24-2012 09:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:(03-24-2012 07:23 AM)buckaineer Wrote:(03-24-2012 01:43 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:(03-24-2012 12:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:I doubt that flies since only a minority of conferences would even care at this point. Right away the PAC and SEC(plus the smaller conferences) couldn't give a damn, the ACC would do it just for the fact that they are the odds on favorite to get ND since the ACC sponsors all the sports that ND has for the most part unlike the B1G and Big 12. ND hates the B1G so they would be just wasting their time and the Big 12 is never going to be a realistic option since it is known that ND wants an East coast presence that the Big 12 & B1G can't give them. The BE is not an option otherwise they would be in the conference already.(03-23-2012 11:05 PM)buckaineer Wrote: If Im the BIG, PAC, ACC, SEC, BIG 12--why in the world would I make an independents clause? So I have to battle through a conference to make the playoff-but I just award ND or whoever a spot in the playoff? Why would they agree to this? No, if they make the deal conference champions that is all it will be. If they make it the top 4 teams it will be the top four, not the top 3 and then a special spot for a ND or someone else if they are ranked x spots around the top 4 or whatever.
ND may stay with the Big East. They may remain independent. It is 50/50 whether they'll be a major program anymore or have access to the national championship whether they have an NBC contract or not.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - TerryD - 03-24-2012 09:04 PM
No desperation here, Buck. I am pretty certain that ND will not join the Big 12 and that Notre Dame will always be in an advantageous situation, better than most college football programs.
The Big 12 is not going to be a "national conference". It is going to be what it is right now, perhaps with the additions of Louisville and BYU some day.
Much of college football doesn't consider ND irrelevant, only haters and wishful thinkers.
Lots of people like you are going to be disappointed when no four team playoff results and ND is still sitting in a pretty good situation as an independent.
Good luck to WVU in the Big 12, Buck.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - buckaineer - 03-24-2012 09:31 PM
College football programs, conferences, etc. that decide the free ride for ND is over, that ND will have to compete just as they do for the big prize--these aren't "haters" any more than ND hates the rest of college football by expecting special treatment.
The BIG 12 may not expand, they may expand with a couple of programs, perhaps more. They already are more than a "prairie" league. They have programs in the east, midwest and southwest already. They are one of the top two football conferences in the nation and one of the top basketball conferences in the nation-with two teams remaining currently in the final 8 teams in the nation. If BIG 12 expansion goes in a certain direction which it well might, they will be the only major conference closest to being a national conference.
Right now the power conferences are all in favor of a four team playoff, and the majority of those in favor of a conference champs only format.
They might go with a top four--either way ND's days of being eligible for national championships could soon draw to a close. The powers that be will be deciding soon and as the writer said, ND's AD, rather than being a power broker might as well have been representing the MAC.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - TerryD - 03-24-2012 09:44 PM
Keep believing all of that, Buck. Have a good evening.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - TrojanCampaign - 03-24-2012 11:04 PM
(03-24-2012 04:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:(03-24-2012 03:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:(03-23-2012 02:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: The Big East of course. They are no longer a Major. They are now the Gatekeepers to the Majors.
So because some TV network is willing to throw a few more million $ at a conference that's what makes it a major conference? What if NBCS decided to pay the Sun Belt more than the SEC and we lost no members, would we instantly gain AQ status?
I think the South fan who originally quoted you was correcting your message board non sense of using the term "Big Five" like the Big East somehow magically was not part of the AQ cartel anymore.
I think the BCS RULES define what an AQ conference is and the Big East exceeds those rules. You must have x teams in top 25 over x years, winning BCS bowls awards x amount of points, conference must have x amount of teams.
That is why there are AQ conferences and Non AQ conferences. Only one non AQ conference has even had top ten teams winning BCS bowls and they are long gone.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - jaredf29 - 03-24-2012 11:24 PM
I love notre dame but they've been falling fast for years. They've lost touch with the blue collar fans and just been focused on the bougeiouse elitists. Pains me cause ive been a fan since I could watch Tv.
RE: Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News - BamaScorpio69 - 03-24-2012 11:26 PM
Notre Dame should not be given any perks; either join a conference or get treated like teams from a nonbcs league.