(03-23-2012 02:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:48 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  One of the five major conferences is in a slightly weaker position then the other four when it comes to the perception of their champion.

I thought there was 6 major conferences per the BCS.

ACC
Big East
BIG 10
Big 12
PAC 12
SEC

Which of these conferences did you eliminate from the group of five?

The Big East of course. They are no longer a Major. They are now the Gatekeepers to the Majors.

The era of the BCS is over.

What is the qualification to be in the Majors?

Good question. I guess first and foremost would be stability. Some might say that the Big 12 doesn't have that but I think they do as per all their new agreements. I used to think they were the blood in the water but that isn't the case anymore.

The Big East is not stable. It's TOP teams are taken from it on a regular basis. That makes it a gatekeeper. "You join the Big East then you too might someday be invited to a Major conference".

Also television contracts make a major. If the Big East can sign one with NBC of equivalent value as the other majors then yes I would say there is an argument to be made that they are a major but I do not see them getting that now with the line up they will have.

The ACC and Big 12 successfully reduced the number of Majors from six to five. Now they sit across from each other at the Majors table.

(03-24-2012 03:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 02:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:48 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I thought there was 6 major conferences per the BCS.

ACC
Big East
BIG 10
Big 12
PAC 12
SEC

Which of these conferences did you eliminate from the group of five?

The Big East of course. They are no longer a Major. They are now the Gatekeepers to the Majors.

The era of the BCS is over.

What is the qualification to be in the Majors?

Good question. I guess first and foremost would be stability. Some might say that the Big 12 doesn't have that but I think they do as per all their new agreements. I used to think they were the blood in the water but that isn't the case anymore.

The Big East is not stable. It's TOP teams are taken from it on a regular basis. That makes it a gatekeeper. "You join the Big East then you too might someday be invited to a Major conference".

Also television contracts make a major. If the Big East can sign one with NBC of equivalent value as the other majors then yes I would say there is an argument to be made that they are a major but I do not see them getting that now with the line up they will have.

The ACC and Big 12 successfully reduced the number of Majors from six to five. Now they sit across from each other at the Majors table.

So if stability is what makes you a major why is the MAC not a AQ conference? And doesn't this criteria also eliminates the Big 12 because it has lost four teams and is a Texas away from becoming worse than the Big East.

And you have to got be kidding if you consider the ACC a major conference. They are an absolute joke vs all the other AQ conferences it's at the point to where FSU vs OU is an easy win for OU now.

(03-24-2012 09:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 07:23 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 01:43 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 12:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 11:05 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  If Im the BIG, PAC, ACC, SEC, BIG 12--why in the world would I make an independents clause? So I have to battle through a conference to make the playoff-but I just award ND or whoever a spot in the playoff? Why would they agree to this? No, if they make the deal conference champions that is all it will be. If they make it the top 4 teams it will be the top four, not the top 3 and then a special spot for a ND or someone else if they are ranked x spots around the top 4 or whatever.

Once again, the threat of Notre Dame joining a conference is greater than the threat of them actually reaching this tournament as an Independent. I do not know how I can make it any clearer than that.

I doubt that flies since only a minority of conferences would even care at this point. Right away the PAC and SEC(plus the smaller conferences) couldn't give a damn, the ACC would do it just for the fact that they are the odds on favorite to get ND since the ACC sponsors all the sports that ND has for the most part unlike the B1G and Big 12. ND hates the B1G so they would be just wasting their time and the Big 12 is never going to be a realistic option since it is known that ND wants an East coast presence that the Big 12 & B1G can't give them. The BE is not an option otherwise they would be in the conference already.

So anything that would cost conferences millions just for a pipe dream is not a realistic option.

ND doesn't just want an east coast presence, they want a national presence. With the proper additions, the BIG 12 is the conference most able to provide this.

Buck, you consider ND irrelevant then you "pimp" them to join the Big 12 because you know that they would be a tremendous addition and would benefit WVU.

I don't consider ND irrelevant, much of college football considers them irrelevant. WVU isn't concerned with ND joining the BIG 12 or not. I am not "pimping" anyone to the BIG 12-the league is fine not expanding or expanding with multiple programs-none of which "needs" to be ND. You on the other hand are becoming desperate in your hope that ND doesn't join the BIG 12 when they finally realize they won't have a free ride anymore.

ND is not going to join a conference in the prairie heartland of America unless it is a hybrid deal.

ND's administration will make the best choice for conference affiliation. What you mean to say is you-personally-HOPE ND won't join the BIG 12--which wouldn't be a conference in the "prairie heartland of America" but a national conference with programs all over east, west, south, Texas, etc.

You would go bananas if that happened. To see WVU leave one hybrid conference to get away from ND only to see their new conference welcome ND for all sports but football would be ironic.

(I don't see ND doing this, either, but it is fun to think about, just to see the angst it would create).

Unlike the BE, the BIG 12 is a power conference. If the membership decided to add ND in a partial format, it wouldn't concern me because there will never be another conference that allows ND to use them the way the BE has.

I know some Big 12 fans have a pipe dream concerning the "proper additions" (Florida State, Clemson, etc..). There is no evidence that it is likely to occur except on blogs and messages boards.

I know some anti BIG 12 posters have a pipe dream that no teams would be interested or investigate membership in the conference. That is just a pipe dream. The head of the committee FSU created to investigate changing conferences commented publicly they were investigating the "conferences" they might move to. They weren't investigating the PAC, the Big East, and probably not the SEC since the SEC has a gentlemans agreement not to add anyone from the same state. We'll hear from Clemson this summer as to what they are thinking or not.

If.....if ND was "forced" (Yes, it would be an unwilling addition to a conference at gunpoint--despite your dislike for that term) to join a football conference, it would likely be the ACC, not the Big 12.

And it's an unwilling allowance by most of college football to continue to give ND a free ride. ND isn't joining a southeastern based conference that will likely lose multiple members over the next several seasons.

I also think that you are wrong in that there will be no four conference only champions playoff in the foreseeable future.

It is not me that says there will be a four conference champions playoff. It is the heads of the conferences in power that are telling us this is likely.

In my opinion, ND will likely remain a football independent, renew the NBC contract before the 2015 for more money and help broker an NBC/Comcast contract for the Big East.

(03-24-2012 04:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-24-2012 03:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 02:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 01:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Big East of course. They are no longer a Major. They are now the Gatekeepers to the Majors.

The era of the BCS is over.

What is the qualification to be in the Majors?

Good question. I guess first and foremost would be stability. Some might say that the Big 12 doesn't have that but I think they do as per all their new agreements. I used to think they were the blood in the water but that isn't the case anymore.

The Big East is not stable. It's TOP teams are taken from it on a regular basis. That makes it a gatekeeper. "You join the Big East then you too might someday be invited to a Major conference".

Also television contracts make a major. If the Big East can sign one with NBC of equivalent value as the other majors then yes I would say there is an argument to be made that they are a major but I do not see them getting that now with the line up they will have.

The ACC and Big 12 successfully reduced the number of Majors from six to five. Now they sit across from each other at the Majors table.

So if stability is what makes you a major why is the MAC not a AQ conference? And doesn't this criteria also eliminates the Big 12 because it has lost four teams and is a Texas away from becoming worse than the Big East.

And you have to got be kidding if you consider the ACC a major conference. They are an absolute joke vs all the other AQ conferences it's at the point to where FSU vs OU is an easy win for OU now.

What is with you people? Look at the F'n post. I list both stability AND television contracts. They go hand in hand and one often begets the other. The MAC is not a major because it is not a major money maker for its members. It makes decent money for them and keeps their travel costs low. It is only as stable as long as no better offers come to it's members, which for most of them is unlikely so it is decently stable. It is not stable on it's own though, only as long as bigger fish don't come looking for dinner there.

The ACC is still a Major. It's TV contracts are still very good despite the fact that they are somewhat lower than other Majors. While there is a lot of talk about raids on the ACC coming, there still have yet to be ANY. The ACC is a Major, period.

So how would you define a major? You are all about critiquing my attempt, so give us yours.