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RE: Alabama State moving up? - trojanbrutha - 10-08-2011 11:45 AM
(12-21-2010 04:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote: FWIW, a long-time athletic administrator told me years ago that Jackson State was the only SWAC school that could move to (then) I-A because none of the others were apparently even aware the NCAA had a rule book.
That would explain over 600 NCAA violations by "Cole-blooded" football a few years ago...
RE: Alabama State moving up? - BamaState1 - 10-08-2011 11:46 AM
(10-08-2011 11:35 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:(10-08-2011 11:22 AM)BamaState1 Wrote:(10-08-2011 10:32 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:(10-08-2011 06:18 AM)BamaState1 Wrote: Not true. ASU is definitely known outside of Alabama based on the experience I had traveling with ASU. Secondly, Alabama State has not had any dicussion to move to the FBS but ASU is in a position where they can do so. Moving to the Sun Belt wouldn't be that difficult. The Sun Belt is smallest of FBS conferences and a lot of the schools in this conference are not known unless you stay in these areas. ASU has a 8,000 seat basketball arena and now a new 30,000 seat football stadium on the way. ASU doesn't use old hotels for students. I have no idea where u got that from. Alabama State is a growing institution and with the growth of the University a move to FBS is very possible. Troy did it even though I have no idea seeing there are one of the smallest FBS schools around with only around 7,000 students on there campus.
Actually I have a 3.0 GPA when I left Troy and still keeping that here at ASU. also, Troy is hanging with some of those schools but just because u hang with a school doesn't mean you are winning the games. lol. Alabama State hung with Eastern Michigan this year. Only falling by 7 points but a win ss a win. MAC conference team compared to a Sun Belt team. Troy is the fourth largest because they have about 8 campuses in the state and they combine all those campuses to make it seem as one university. hahaha! Right or wrong? Troy is a pretty good school but based on my experiences my professors at ASU have taught me more than I ever was taught at Troy. I have been to China, NYC, Detroit. places I thought I never go because of Alabama State. When I went to Troy the only place I went was Dothan. SERIOUSLY. I have nothing against Troy but the university is not all it is made out to be.
RE: Alabama State moving up? - Burn the Horse - 10-08-2011 12:21 PM
BamaState1, anything negative you have to say about Troy's play on the field goes double for your team. Troy smoked your Hornets by an embarressing score the last time yall tried to hang with us. You are not on our level.
Alabama State doesn't belong in FBS football. sorry, but the truth hurts sometimes.
RE: Alabama State moving up? - Burn the Horse - 10-08-2011 12:37 PM
Bama State was forced by the NCAA to offer minority scholarships to white students because of racist policies against them in admittance policies.
Quote:•Diversity Scholarships for both undergraduate and graduate white students are a special program of Alabama State University and Alabama A&M University. The goal is to boost enrollment of those underrepresented in the school: whites and Native Americans, specifically at ASU and “Caucasians” at Alabama A&M. In fact as the result of a discrimination case, a federal court judge in 1995 commanded both ASU and Alabama A&M University to vigorously diversify.1 The court case raised scrutiny over the fact that both schools had almost exclusive black student bodies and had been remiss in recruiting “other-race” students, especially whites. Since then large chunks of money have been earmarked each year to attract white students. Initially GPA requirements were set at 2.0, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education, so low as to offend black students required to comply with a GPA minimum of 2.7. Since then, in response to threats of legal repercussions, the universities have raised GPA reqs for whites. Scholarships may cover full or partial tuition.
another reason why Alabama State doesn't belong in our Conference. racism is wrong, no matter who is being targetted.
RE: Alabama State moving up? - BamaState1 - 10-08-2011 12:39 PM
(10-08-2011 12:21 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote: BamaState1, anything negative you have to say about Troy's play on the field goes double for your team. Troy smoked your Hornets by an embarressing score the last time yall tried to hang with us. You are not on our level.
Your opinion is not the truth. People said Troy didn't belong in FBS too. People are still not sold that Troy deserves to move up due to the fact that when they play bigger schools they lose. They rarely win those games. Last victory was against OK State I think years ago. Several years ago, Troy was just getting started in FBS. You should have more respect for other schools trying to make the same move Troy did. Even though ASU is currently playing at Cramton Bowl Alabama State is actually selling more tickets then Troy. ASU ticket prices are actually higher than Troy. ASU is more than capable of making a move in the future. Troy give away a lot of there tickets to the local hospital and other places in that area. Also, Bama State has the second biggest rivalry with Alabama A&M in the state behind the Iron Bowl even though we have the Troy/UAB rivalry which numbers doesn't come close to ASU/A&M & the Iron Bowl. ASU is putting butts in seats. If they were considering moving to FBS they would definitely have that to there advantage. With over 150 million dollars of upgrades it can happen. However, I honestly believe ASU is better off staying in the SWAC because they have so much tradition with that conference that I don't want them to lose the tradition they have built at that University. If conferences in the FBS were looking at academics ASU would be in good shape. ASU has one of the top forensics programs in the state. They also have 5 doctoral programs compared to Troy which only has 1. If Alabama State truly wanted to move there football program to FBS then it could happen. That's all I'm saying.
RE: Alabama State moving up? - Burn the Horse - 10-08-2011 12:46 PM
(10-08-2011 12:39 PM)BamaState1 Wrote: If Alabama State truly wanted to move there football program to FBS then it could happen. That's all I'm saying.
No, it couldn't just happen BamaState1. In order to move up to the FBS level you MUST have a Conference to move in to. the Sun Belt would not extend and invitation for several reasons...but if for no other reason, because Troy and South Alabama would block it. There is no other Conference that would even consider your team, so the chance of moving up is nill.
your athletics are good at the level you play at now, but that doesn't mean they would see that success at our level. a QB (a good one at that) who couldn't win the starting job at Troy transfered to Bama State and took the starting job immediately and has been an all-star level competitor in the SWAC. that's because the competition is weaker. don't confuse competition like A&M, Tuskegee, and Jackson State with that of FBS level competition. it's a whole different game.
I don't blame you for being proud of your team, I respect that. But don't come to our board claiming you would be able to come in and be good, because you wouldn't. But, since Bama State won't be moving up, it won't matter what we say here.
RE: Alabama State moving up? - Burn the Horse - 10-08-2011 12:52 PM
(10-08-2011 12:39 PM)BamaState1 Wrote: People are still not sold that Troy deserves to move up due to the fact that when they play bigger schools they lose.
this part of your post is just plain laughable. I've never met or heard from any of the folks you are refering to.
I want it known that I pull for Alabama State, despite my aggressive counters to your posts BamaState1. I live in the area and keep up with the team. I just don't appreciate you coming on here trying to tell us that your program belongs with all of ours and it's simply a matter of ASU "deciding to move up" to make it happen.
your University has several things that will keep it out of FBS. It isn't just about the football team. Bama State is a controversial school/athletics department with many problems that will make it undesireable. You have some outstanding aspects to the school and that makes it a great choice for many kids, but it is not a great choice for an FBS Conference looking to expand.
I'd rather have Jacksonville State, and I don't want them either.
RE: Alabama State moving up? - chiefsfan - 10-08-2011 12:57 PM
But...But...They hung with Eastern Michigan for a little bit
I didnt know SWAC schools had fans to smack talk. I thought those were all band parents
RE: Alabama State moving up? - TrojanCampaign - 10-08-2011 01:00 PM
(10-08-2011 12:39 PM)BamaState1 Wrote:(10-08-2011 12:21 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote: BamaState1, anything negative you have to say about Troy's play on the field goes double for your team. Troy smoked your Hornets by an embarressing score the last time yall tried to hang with us. You are not on our level.
Dude literally every team on our schedule is a bigger school than us...We have a winning record vs "bigger schools" if you mean tradition power schools with national titles like LSU or Florida then sure.
But jokes aside ASU is in a great location and has great support. I know what you mean about the magic city classic because I have been about 8 times. Could ASU move up into FBS on paper? Yes. Would it work? Probably not because it's an HBCU. I'm black and I love my race dearly but that tag of HBCU will drag state down forever.
And consider where would you go? C-Usa no, Sun Belt- no, SEC- no, ACC- no. There are no other Southern leagues in D1 for it to even possibly happen and I highly doubt Troy University or South Alabama would want another Jacksonville lurking about. Shoot Jacksonville has everything to be a Sun Belt team except a door because 4 non AQ programs in Alabama is way too many. I really don't even like the fact that South is moving up.
RE: Alabama State moving up? - TrojanCampaign - 10-08-2011 01:06 PM
But can we get of this Alabama St vs Troy University hate this is just weird lol. State has it's umm location and we have our proven success at both levels. Just leave it at that because I don't see anyone in the Sun Belt saying Troy winning the conference five straight years was a fluke, or having one of the best baseball programs in the nation is a fluke.