(12-16-2010 10:46 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  level. At that level, a physical guard, who isn't much of an outside shooter, can get to the basket for some close in shots. At the D1 level, they find that a lot of times they get the ball slapped back in their faces.
To score at the D1 level, a guard has to be able to shoot from the perimeter. Not necessarily a 3 point shot, but shots away from the basket.

If you notice our girls team, Chas hardly every shoots a driving layup. Her points are scored from around 10-15 feet on soft jumpers. If you can't hit those shots, you aren't ever going to score at lot at this level. That's why I feel we've misevaluated a lot of players. I would look at two things. Can they shoot free throws. That is one of the best evaluators of a persons shooting touch.
If they can't shoot, they had better really be able to block shots and rebound. And secondly, if they're a perimeter player, can they shoot the 3 point shot fairly consistently. If you can't find enough players who can do those few things, you don't have a very good basketball team. Athletes? Maybe. Running and jumping are great if it results in points on the scoreboard. Otherwise, it doesn't mean a lot. No style points.

Our system seems to try and force a layup, no matter how many big guys are standing there waiting for you. How many times do you see Alex or Courtney pull up from 8 feet or so when they're open and hit that soft jumper? Hardly ever. They'll pass that shot up nearly every time and try to drive among the trees and try to get a layup. That works in D2 ball, but not against good competition. I have heard Wimp Sanderson several times on our TV broadcasts, going back to the time when Stevie was here, and I think a game where Solo did the same thing. He commented that you have to pull up and shoot over those big guys. You can't try and drive into them. But what does Wimp know anyway. He probably only won about 500 games during his coaching career. (Maybe an exaggeration, but a lot).

(12-16-2010 01:08 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 10:46 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  level. At that level, a physical guard, who isn't much of an outside shooter, can get to the basket for some close in shots. At the D1 level, they find that a lot of times they get the ball slapped back in their faces.
To score at the D1 level, a guard has to be able to shoot from the perimeter. Not necessarily a 3 point shot, but shots away from the basket.

If you notice our girls team, Chas hardly every shoots a driving layup. Her points are scored from around 10-15 feet on soft jumpers. If you can't hit those shots, you aren't ever going to score at lot at this level. That's why I feel we've misevaluated a lot of players. I would look at two things. Can they shoot free throws. That is one of the best evaluators of a persons shooting touch.
If they can't shoot, they had better really be able to block shots and rebound. And secondly, if they're a perimeter player, can they shoot the 3 point shot fairly consistently. If you can't find enough players who can do those few things, you don't have a very good basketball team. Athletes? Maybe. Running and jumping are great if it results in points on the scoreboard. Otherwise, it doesn't mean a lot. No style points.

Our system seems to try and force a layup, no matter how many big guys are standing there waiting for you. How many times do you see Alex or Courtney pull up from 8 feet or so when they're open and hit that soft jumper? Hardly ever. They'll pass that shot up nearly every time and try to drive among the trees and try to get a layup. That works in D2 ball, but not against good competition. I have heard Wimp Sanderson several times on our TV broadcasts, going back to the time when Stevie was here, and I think a game where Solo did the same thing. He commented that you have to pull up and shoot over those big guys. You can't try and drive into them. But what does Wimp know anyway. He probably only won about 500 games during his coaching career. (Maybe an exaggeration, but a lot).

I love Wimp. But the reality is, he couldn't win the Sun Belt tournament on his home court, 3 years in a row (maybe more?).

(12-16-2010 01:15 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 01:08 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 10:46 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  level. At that level, a physical guard, who isn't much of an outside shooter, can get to the basket for some close in shots. At the D1 level, they find that a lot of times they get the ball slapped back in their faces.
To score at the D1 level, a guard has to be able to shoot from the perimeter. Not necessarily a 3 point shot, but shots away from the basket.

If you notice our girls team, Chas hardly every shoots a driving layup. Her points are scored from around 10-15 feet on soft jumpers. If you can't hit those shots, you aren't ever going to score at lot at this level. That's why I feel we've misevaluated a lot of players. I would look at two things. Can they shoot free throws. That is one of the best evaluators of a persons shooting touch.
If they can't shoot, they had better really be able to block shots and rebound. And secondly, if they're a perimeter player, can they shoot the 3 point shot fairly consistently. If you can't find enough players who can do those few things, you don't have a very good basketball team. Athletes? Maybe. Running and jumping are great if it results in points on the scoreboard. Otherwise, it doesn't mean a lot. No style points.

Our system seems to try and force a layup, no matter how many big guys are standing there waiting for you. How many times do you see Alex or Courtney pull up from 8 feet or so when they're open and hit that soft jumper? Hardly ever. They'll pass that shot up nearly every time and try to drive among the trees and try to get a layup. That works in D2 ball, but not against good competition. I have heard Wimp Sanderson several times on our TV broadcasts, going back to the time when Stevie was here, and I think a game where Solo did the same thing. He commented that you have to pull up and shoot over those big guys. You can't try and drive into them. But what does Wimp know anyway. He probably only won about 500 games during his coaching career. (Maybe an exaggeration, but a lot).

I love Wimp. But the reality is, he couldn't win the Sun Belt tournament on his home court, 3 years in a row (maybe more?).

He was not a great recruiter at UALR. The year you're referring to, we had about six players who were decent. Only one decent big man. Muntrelle Dobbins. When we played Vanderbilt in the NIT, they had about four 6'9" or taller guys and if you recall, they fouled Money out, and we had nobody after that who could play. The irony of it all was that the guard who let the New Orleans guy around him who scored the winning layup was none other than arguably the greatest player in UALR history, Fish. I think I still have that TV broadcast on a DVD. I'm going to go back and, if possible, check that play out. I recall another player who could have easily cut that guy off before he got to the basket but they just stood there and let him go by. If I can find that play, I'll report back. Wimp could coach them. He just didn't really seem to want to recruit at UALR.

(12-16-2010 01:59 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 01:15 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 01:08 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 10:46 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  level. At that level, a physical guard, who isn't much of an outside shooter, can get to the basket for some close in shots. At the D1 level, they find that a lot of times they get the ball slapped back in their faces.
To score at the D1 level, a guard has to be able to shoot from the perimeter. Not necessarily a 3 point shot, but shots away from the basket.

If you notice our girls team, Chas hardly every shoots a driving layup. Her points are scored from around 10-15 feet on soft jumpers. If you can't hit those shots, you aren't ever going to score at lot at this level. That's why I feel we've misevaluated a lot of players. I would look at two things. Can they shoot free throws. That is one of the best evaluators of a persons shooting touch.
If they can't shoot, they had better really be able to block shots and rebound. And secondly, if they're a perimeter player, can they shoot the 3 point shot fairly consistently. If you can't find enough players who can do those few things, you don't have a very good basketball team. Athletes? Maybe. Running and jumping are great if it results in points on the scoreboard. Otherwise, it doesn't mean a lot. No style points.

Our system seems to try and force a layup, no matter how many big guys are standing there waiting for you. How many times do you see Alex or Courtney pull up from 8 feet or so when they're open and hit that soft jumper? Hardly ever. They'll pass that shot up nearly every time and try to drive among the trees and try to get a layup. That works in D2 ball, but not against good competition. I have heard Wimp Sanderson several times on our TV broadcasts, going back to the time when Stevie was here, and I think a game where Solo did the same thing. He commented that you have to pull up and shoot over those big guys. You can't try and drive into them. But what does Wimp know anyway. He probably only won about 500 games during his coaching career. (Maybe an exaggeration, but a lot).

I love Wimp. But the reality is, he couldn't win the Sun Belt tournament on his home court, 3 years in a row (maybe more?).

He was not a great recruiter at UALR. The year you're referring to, we had about six players who were decent. Only one decent big man. Muntrelle Dobbins. When we played Vanderbilt in the NIT, they had about four 6'9" or taller guys and if you recall, they fouled Money out, and we had nobody after that who could play. The irony of it all was that the guard who let the New Orleans guy around him who scored the winning layup was none other than arguably the greatest player in UALR history, Fish. I think I still have that TV broadcast on a DVD. I'm going to go back and, if possible, check that play out. I recall another player who could have easily cut that guy off before he got to the basket but they just stood there and let him go by. If I can find that play, I'll report back. Wimp could coach them. He just didn't really seem to want to recruit at UALR.

I'm not referring to any one year. I believe he had the Sun Belt tournament at Barton for 3 years in a row. He couldn't win it. And he had talent. Not a put down of Wimp- Just the facts and more evidence the tourney is simply a crapshoot.

(12-16-2010 01:15 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  He was not a great recruiter at UALR. The year you're referring to, we had about six players who were decent. Only one decent big man. Muntrelle Dobbins. When we played Vanderbilt in the NIT, they had about four 6'9" or taller guys and if you recall, they fouled Money out, and we had nobody after that who could play. The irony of it all was that the guard who let the New Orleans guy around him who scored the winning layup was none other than arguably the greatest player in UALR history, Fish. I think I still have that TV broadcast on a DVD. I'm going to go back and, if possible, check that play out. I recall another player who could have easily cut that guy off before he got to the basket but they just stood there and let him go by. If I can find that play, I'll report back. Wimp could coach them. He just didn't really seem to want to recruit at UALR.

(12-16-2010 03:50 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 01:15 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  He was not a great recruiter at UALR. The year you're referring to, we had about six players who were decent. Only one decent big man. Muntrelle Dobbins. When we played Vanderbilt in the NIT, they had about four 6'9" or taller guys and if you recall, they fouled Money out, and we had nobody after that who could play. The irony of it all was that the guard who let the New Orleans guy around him who scored the winning layup was none other than arguably the greatest player in UALR history, Fish. I think I still have that TV broadcast on a DVD. I'm going to go back and, if possible, check that play out. I recall another player who could have easily cut that guy off before he got to the basket but they just stood there and let him go by. If I can find that play, I'll report back. Wimp could coach them. He just didn't really seem to want to recruit at UALR.

I like Fish, but you used the right word "arguably" in describing him as the greatest player in UALR history. He was good, and without a doubt had the greatest post UALR career, but I wouldn't say he was the greatest player to ever play here.

(12-16-2010 04:09 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I realized that we have had some great players, and I guess I should have said more like "Our most famous player" or something to that effect.