(11-04-2009 05:46 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I have a feeling that Jeff Garrett might change his mind after the Ball St. game, combined with Ball St. having 5 committed CB to the school. I don't see how they could have told all those CB they will have playing time instantly. So who knows what made him decommit from us.

Heres the link of Ball St. commits. http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=8&toinid=715&yr=2010

(11-04-2009 08:24 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 05:46 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I have a feeling that Jeff Garrett might change his mind after the Ball St. game, combined with Ball St. having 5 committed CB to the school. I don't see how they could have told all those CB they will have playing time instantly. So who knows what made him decommit from us.

Heres the link of Ball St. commits. http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=8&toinid=715&yr=2010

I doubt he changes his mind. He already knows Ball State is bad and that we should beat them yet he changed his mind. It sounds like he was never sure he wanted to go to NIU.

(11-04-2009 07:50 PM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 04:36 PM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 01:02 AM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 03:32 PM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  What makes me most nervous about the list of guys we can grab is that we lost the monopoly that Joe Novak built in local recruiting.

After the BCS schools we generally had first choice of whoever we wanted! Remember when we grabbed Brown, Moore, and Rice I believe away from BSU? That was great.

But it won't ever happen under Kill.

We should never have lost the 3 kids from Crete to other schools - that is unacceptable if you aren't getting kids from out of state (which at this point we aren't.)

I guess it's sad to see something Joe and coach Sabock took years to build destroyed in 2 sub-par recruiting classes.

The two best players in the conference are Chicago area kids on Central Michigan and Bowling Green, and the best player on NIU is a walk on from Indianapolis, so that monopoly isn't doing us a great deal of good right now.
Who cares where the players are from if they can play? And what evidence do we have to support the idea that the last two recruiting classes are sub par? It's too early to judge either of them, and one was tiny anyways.

You're right.

Larry English sucked...local players are worthless. We should have grabbed some Florida kid like Coon...oh wait we did?

How many sacks does he have this year?

What?

He's not on the roster?

No way.

Local Kids - 1
Kill Kids - 0

I don't even know how to respond to this. There is no actual information in it, just rubbish. It's hard to counter an argument when no argument is even being made.

(11-04-2009 05:20 PM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  I think you guys are a little delusional about our recruiting focus.

Both Limegrover and Phelps are strongly recruiting the greater Chicago area incl Wisconsin/Indiana. So is Fleck. That's 2 holdovers from the previous regime right there.

Coach Tuke & Reeves recruit the Florida area heavily.

Jay Sawvel recruits Louisiana and a little of Florida.

We're not diluting the Chicago recruiting by exploring other areas of potential talent. It's just broadening our base.

(11-05-2009 09:38 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  There is one thing NIU is #1 in, number of recruiting posts per commits. NO WAY did we ever have a monopoly of non BCS players in Chicago never happened.

Novak got a lot of mileage out of players that were not wanted, PJ Fleck,M Turner, D Sheldon, J Haldi , D Free all great college players with -1- offer. He also had walk ons like R Drew and others. My point is you have to turn over every stone to find these players and that it takes relationship building to get clued in on who the players are. That is why you need 4 or 5 coaches actively hitting Chicago metro.

(11-05-2009 11:08 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 09:38 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  There is one thing NIU is #1 in, number of recruiting posts per commits. NO WAY did we ever have a monopoly of non BCS players in Chicago never happened.

Novak got a lot of mileage out of players that were not wanted, PJ Fleck,M Turner, D Sheldon, J Haldi , D Free all great college players with -1- offer. He also had walk ons like R Drew and others. My point is you have to turn over every stone to find these players and that it takes relationship building to get clued in on who the players are. That is why you need 4 or 5 coaches actively hitting Chicago metro.

It did towards the end of the Novak Era.

The non bcs kids were basically his to choose from. No one is saying he didn't build winning teams from "unwanted" kids - but he did get the guys he wanted in the end. In fact you helped prove the point that what Novak built took years. How long did it take Kill to dismantle it?

The perfect example is raiding the morgan park kids from Ball State.

Novak got what he wanted. He didn't often steal kids from a U of I or BCS school - but that isn't the point of what I was saying. In fact U of I could take whatever they wanted from us Asamoah (or however you spell his name) is a great example of a guy we had...who U of I took.

Seriously, all the local kids Novak wanted he got. I can't name a kid that a non BCS school was able to take away from Novak. I'm sure there had to be one or 2 I'm forgetting...

(11-05-2009 11:27 AM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:08 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 09:38 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  There is one thing NIU is #1 in, number of recruiting posts per commits. NO WAY did we ever have a monopoly of non BCS players in Chicago never happened.

Novak got a lot of mileage out of players that were not wanted, PJ Fleck,M Turner, D Sheldon, J Haldi , D Free all great college players with -1- offer. He also had walk ons like R Drew and others. My point is you have to turn over every stone to find these players and that it takes relationship building to get clued in on who the players are. That is why you need 4 or 5 coaches actively hitting Chicago metro.

It did towards the end of the Novak Era.

The non bcs kids were basically his to choose from. No one is saying he didn't build winning teams from "unwanted" kids - but he did get the guys he wanted in the end. In fact you helped prove the point that what Novak built took years. How long did it take Kill to dismantle it?

The perfect example is raiding the morgan park kids from Ball State.

Novak got what he wanted. He didn't often steal kids from a U of I or BCS school - but that isn't the point of what I was saying. In fact U of I could take whatever they wanted from us Asamoah (or however you spell his name) is a great example of a guy we had...who U of I took.

Seriously, all the local kids Novak wanted he got. I can't name a kid that a non BCS school was able to take away from Novak. I'm sure there had to be one or 2 I'm forgetting...

Kill hasn't dismantled any of the recruiting in Illinois, are you crazy? He's talked about many a times where he wants his main recruiting area to be from Illinois.

And your Morgan Park example is terrible. Orlando Moore was the best player in 2005 and look how that ended up.

The only good players in that class were Bryant, Hanson, Bice, Adamski & Mel Rice. That's terrible for a class that had 24 commitments.

In 2006, only JO, Kube & Marcus Lewis have panned out of 17 commitments.

Such great recruiting in Novak's latter years.

(11-03-2009 03:32 PM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  Because you just posted baloney - i responded with baloney.

You didn't post any stats or anything. You just said the conferences 2 best players (in your mind) are local kids Novak didn't grab. I'm not sure we offered Dan L. So your argument was lame because you listed 2 QBs (Remember fast Freddy wanted to be a QB) and Novak clearly thought he was set at QB - which he wasn't but it was OK to think that.

So your whole argument was based around Novak not offering 1 QB (DAN) and not offering one QB as a QB (Fast Freddy...he had an offer from us as a WR...).

Explain how that shows our Illinois Monopoly didn't work? It shows that no matter where you recruit you can make a mistake on whom you pass on...weird how that happens with 18 year old kids.

And it also shows that when given first choice of guys, if you take one and pass on another you'll look worse than you would if you were a poacher.

So your argument was baloney. Other than an opinion that was not only wrong, but made you look bad for typing it. I feel bad for you even, that was ugly.

(11-05-2009 11:27 AM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:08 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 09:38 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  There is one thing NIU is #1 in, number of recruiting posts per commits. NO WAY did we ever have a monopoly of non BCS players in Chicago never happened.

Novak got a lot of mileage out of players that were not wanted, PJ Fleck,M Turner, D Sheldon, J Haldi , D Free all great college players with -1- offer. He also had walk ons like R Drew and others. My point is you have to turn over every stone to find these players and that it takes relationship building to get clued in on who the players are. That is why you need 4 or 5 coaches actively hitting Chicago metro.

It did towards the end of the Novak Era.

The non bcs kids were basically his to choose from. No one is saying he didn't build winning teams from "unwanted" kids - but he did get the guys he wanted in the end. In fact you helped prove the point that what Novak built took years. How long did it take Kill to dismantle it?

The perfect example is raiding the morgan park kids from Ball State.

Novak got what he wanted. He didn't often steal kids from a U of I or BCS school - but that isn't the point of what I was saying. In fact U of I could take whatever they wanted from us Asamoah (or however you spell his name) is a great example of a guy we had...who U of I took.

Seriously, all the local kids Novak wanted he got. I can't name a kid that a non BCS school was able to take away from Novak. I'm sure there had to be one or 2 I'm forgetting...

Kill hasn't dismantled any of the recruiting in Illinois, are you crazy? He's talked about many a times where he wants his main recruiting area to be from Illinois.

And your Morgan Park example is terrible. Orlando Moore was the best player in 2005 and look how that ended up.

The only good players in that class were Bryant, Hanson, Bice, Adamski & Mel Rice. That's terrible for a class that had 24 commitments.

In 2006, only JO, Kube & Marcus Lewis have panned out of 17 commitments.

Such great recruiting in Novak's latter years.

(11-05-2009 11:46 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:27 AM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:08 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 09:38 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  There is one thing NIU is #1 in, number of recruiting posts per commits. NO WAY did we ever have a monopoly of non BCS players in Chicago never happened.

Novak got a lot of mileage out of players that were not wanted, PJ Fleck,M Turner, D Sheldon, J Haldi , D Free all great college players with -1- offer. He also had walk ons like R Drew and others. My point is you have to turn over every stone to find these players and that it takes relationship building to get clued in on who the players are. That is why you need 4 or 5 coaches actively hitting Chicago metro.

It did towards the end of the Novak Era.

The non bcs kids were basically his to choose from. No one is saying he didn't build winning teams from "unwanted" kids - but he did get the guys he wanted in the end. In fact you helped prove the point that what Novak built took years. How long did it take Kill to dismantle it?

The perfect example is raiding the morgan park kids from Ball State.

Novak got what he wanted. He didn't often steal kids from a U of I or BCS school - but that isn't the point of what I was saying. In fact U of I could take whatever they wanted from us Asamoah (or however you spell his name) is a great example of a guy we had...who U of I took.

Seriously, all the local kids Novak wanted he got. I can't name a kid that a non BCS school was able to take away from Novak. I'm sure there had to be one or 2 I'm forgetting...

Kill hasn't dismantled any of the recruiting in Illinois, are you crazy? He's talked about many a times where he wants his main recruiting area to be from Illinois.

And your Morgan Park example is terrible. Orlando Moore was the best player in 2005 and look how that ended up.

The only good players in that class were Bryant, Hanson, Bice, Adamski & Mel Rice. That's terrible for a class that had 24 commitments.

In 2006, only JO, Kube & Marcus Lewis have panned out of 17 commitments.

Such great recruiting in Novak's latter years.

I think this pretty much explains why your blog has 3 readers. Maybe 4.

You're right, that 2007 class was awful too!

err...wait it wasn't? No way Novak recruited that class!!!

Thank goodness you are our blogger. You are amazing and all 3 (sometimes 4) of your readers must be so happy to have found you on the web!

When can we expect another podcase????

Maybe just one dedicated to how much Novak's 07 class sucked?

(11-05-2009 11:46 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  I think this pretty much explains why your blog has 3 readers. Maybe 4.

You're right, that 2007 class was awful too!

err...wait it wasn't? No way Novak recruited that class!!!

Thank goodness you are our blogger. You are amazing and all 3 (sometimes 4) of your readers must be so happy to have found you on the web!

When can we expect another podcase????

Maybe just one dedicated to how much Novak's 07 class sucked?

(11-05-2009 12:42 PM)klake87 Wrote:  All I know is that having only one known verbal is disappointing. Other MAC schools have many more verbal commitments. They have gotten the players they want but we have not. I guess the old adage applies "Go ugly early and avoid the rush"

(11-05-2009 12:42 PM)klake87 Wrote:  All I know is that having only one known verbal is disappointing. Other MAC schools have many more verbal commitments. They have gotten the players they want but we have not. I guess the old adage applies "Go ugly early and avoid the rush"

(11-05-2009 11:46 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:27 AM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:08 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 09:38 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  There is one thing NIU is #1 in, number of recruiting posts per commits. NO WAY did we ever have a monopoly of non BCS players in Chicago never happened.

Novak got a lot of mileage out of players that were not wanted, PJ Fleck,M Turner, D Sheldon, J Haldi , D Free all great college players with -1- offer. He also had walk ons like R Drew and others. My point is you have to turn over every stone to find these players and that it takes relationship building to get clued in on who the players are. That is why you need 4 or 5 coaches actively hitting Chicago metro.

It did towards the end of the Novak Era.

The non bcs kids were basically his to choose from. No one is saying he didn't build winning teams from "unwanted" kids - but he did get the guys he wanted in the end. In fact you helped prove the point that what Novak built took years. How long did it take Kill to dismantle it?

The perfect example is raiding the morgan park kids from Ball State.

Novak got what he wanted. He didn't often steal kids from a U of I or BCS school - but that isn't the point of what I was saying. In fact U of I could take whatever they wanted from us Asamoah (or however you spell his name) is a great example of a guy we had...who U of I took.

Seriously, all the local kids Novak wanted he got. I can't name a kid that a non BCS school was able to take away from Novak. I'm sure there had to be one or 2 I'm forgetting...

Kill hasn't dismantled any of the recruiting in Illinois, are you crazy? He's talked about many a times where he wants his main recruiting area to be from Illinois.

And your Morgan Park example is terrible. Orlando Moore was the best player in 2005 and look how that ended up.

The only good players in that class were Bryant, Hanson, Bice, Adamski & Mel Rice. That's terrible for a class that had 24 commitments.

In 2006, only JO, Kube & Marcus Lewis have panned out of 17 commitments.

Such great recruiting in Novak's latter years.

I think this pretty much explains why your blog has 3 readers. Maybe 4.

You're right, that 2007 class was awful too!

err...wait it wasn't? No way Novak recruited that class!!!

Thank goodness you are our blogger. You are amazing and all 3 (sometimes 4) of your readers must be so happy to have found you on the web!

When can we expect another podcase????

Maybe just one dedicated to how much Novak's 07 class sucked?

(11-06-2009 03:28 PM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:46 AM)TheNEWguy Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:27 AM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  [quote='TheNEWguy' pid='4786522' dateline='1257437317']
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Thank goodness you are our blogger. You are amazing and all 3 (sometimes 4) of your readers must be so happy to have found you on the web!

When can we expect another podcase????

Maybe just one dedicated to how much Novak's 07 class sucked?

Ahh the classic case of reverting to personal attacks on a message board. Not only is that a case of basically admitting you are wrong (since you responded to a post with actual facts in it by ignoring them and attacking the poster), but it just makes you look really bad and lame.

(10-28-2009 11:51 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(10-28-2009 11:40 AM)scottiep12 Wrote:  

(10-28-2009 11:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(10-28-2009 10:52 AM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  FYI, Slidell also has WR Armand Williams, who has us in his top-2

http://rivals.yahoo.com/pelicanpreps/football/recruiting/player-Armand-Williams-93970

That is an impressive list of offers. kid is 6'3" with a 40 inch vertical. Wow could he be a red zone threat.

Can somebody explain the LA connection to me again? Just recruiting ties from Kill's staff when they were at SIU?

Yes.... SIU is really in the "South". That region is not called the "Top of the South" for nothing. SIU has a long history of going to New Orleans & Memphis for players.