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Concerns w/ new commish - buckaineer - 11-17-2008 08:57 AM
From reading articles about the new BE commish it seems that all we can look forward to is more of the same from the leadership.
This is troubling because there are some very serious issues, particularly affecting the football programs that need to be addressed, yet status quo seems to be what the Rhode Island boys are all about. Do nothing until something bad is done to you and you have no choice--IMO a recipe for disaster down the road.
The BE football teams trail other BCS conferences by gigantic proportions in terms of revenues coming in. Everyone else is able to pay their Dukes, Baylors, Indianas, etc. the same amount as the top dog. The bottom feeders from these other leagues make more year in and out than the top all sport team from the BE. But the commish doesn't think anything needs to change.
The bowl situation for the BE has and continues to be dismal, with only a slim chance for a BE team that comes in second to play on New Years Day, low payouts and unattractive competition and dates for most bowls. No other conference in the BCS could have their second place team with a low payout matchup in Charlotte before New Years Day. The unattractive matchups, locations in cold weather areas and odd days and times also make it unlikely that fans are going to be motivated to travel during the holidays, unlike other conferences matchups. But the commish apparently doesn't think anything needs to change.
Television. BE football simply has dismal coverage from the ESPN family of Networks. The ACC has been down badly this season, maybe even moreso than the BE, yet they have multiple weekend games being televised on ESPN national networks and ABC every single week. What does the BE get? Weeknights--increasingly not even Thursdays--now Fridays are being used to display BE games when most people including recruits and pollsters are out doing other things like H.S. football. And what happens when you have matchups like WVU-Uconn or Cincy-WVU which was a very important conference game--the best they deliver is obscure BE network coverage seen by very few markets nationally or ESPNU or the worst ESPN 360--and with the huge contracts given to the SEC this isn't looking good for the future of BE football. Television money is also dismal in the BE as compared to other conferences--If you compare what ACC teams are getting and markets between the two conferences you'd have to say the BE is getting underfunded significantly. Will the BE commish work to secure a less exclusive arrangement with higher profile slots and more money for his league--apparently all is ok and nothing needs to be done.
And of course the issue of adding a team or teams to balance BE football schedules, insure BCS inclusion in case of a future raid or defection, providing TV with more BE games from which to select, thereby driving up BE TV payouts, and to bring in more avid fanbases who will be more attractive to bowls--well apparently it's best to just sit back and do nothing-unless of course another pro-active conference commissioner again brings your conference to its knees and you don't have a choice.
Not really sure what the school AD's and presidents are seeing in all of this.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Jackson1011 - 11-17-2008 11:53 AM
The BE is behind the other conferences because we don't have a 1st class traditional football giant. Yes Pitt, Syracuse and WVU have had their moments but that is not the same has having a Ohio St, USC or even a Florida St/Miami in house
Frankly, splitting and adding ECU or Memphis does nothing to solve those problems. However, going down that path may water down the football even more and limit the exposure in basketball because of the loss of major markets.
I agree with your outline of the issues we are facing, but I'm not sure those problems can be solves unless our expansion involves Penn St or Notre Dame
Jackson
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Gray Avenger - 11-17-2008 12:57 PM
buckaineer Wrote:No other conference in the BCS could have their second place team with a low payout matchup in Charlotte before New Years Day.
No other conference in the BCS has only 8 football schools.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Frank the Tank - 11-17-2008 02:03 PM
buckaineer Wrote:From reading articles about the new BE commish it seems that all we can look forward to is more of the same from the leadership.
This is troubling because there are some very serious issues, particularly affecting the football programs that need to be addressed, yet status quo seems to be what the Rhode Island boys are all about. Do nothing until something bad is done to you and you have no choice--IMO a recipe for disaster down the road.
The BE football teams trail other BCS conferences by gigantic proportions in terms of revenues coming in. Everyone else is able to pay their Dukes, Baylors, Indianas, etc. the same amount as the top dog. The bottom feeders from these other leagues make more year in and out than the top all sport team from the BE. But the commish doesn't think anything needs to change.
The bowl situation for the BE has and continues to be dismal, with only a slim chance for a BE team that comes in second to play on New Years Day, low payouts and unattractive competition and dates for most bowls. No other conference in the BCS could have their second place team with a low payout matchup in Charlotte before New Years Day. The unattractive matchups, locations in cold weather areas and odd days and times also make it unlikely that fans are going to be motivated to travel during the holidays, unlike other conferences matchups. But the commish apparently doesn't think anything needs to change.
Television. BE football simply has dismal coverage from the ESPN family of Networks. The ACC has been down badly this season, maybe even moreso than the BE, yet they have multiple weekend games being televised on ESPN national networks and ABC every single week. What does the BE get? Weeknights--increasingly not even Thursdays--now Fridays are being used to display BE games when most people including recruits and pollsters are out doing other things like H.S. football. And what happens when you have matchups like WVU-Uconn or Cincy-WVU which was a very important conference game--the best they deliver is obscure BE network coverage seen by very few markets nationally or ESPNU or the worst ESPN 360--and with the huge contracts given to the SEC this isn't looking good for the future of BE football. Television money is also dismal in the BE as compared to other conferences--If you compare what ACC teams are getting and markets between the two conferences you'd have to say the BE is getting underfunded significantly. Will the BE commish work to secure a less exclusive arrangement with higher profile slots and more money for his league--apparently all is ok and nothing needs to be done.
And of course the issue of adding a team or teams to balance BE football schedules, insure BCS inclusion in case of a future raid or defection, providing TV with more BE games from which to select, thereby driving up BE TV payouts, and to bring in more avid fanbases who will be more attractive to bowls--well apparently it's best to just sit back and do nothing-unless of course another pro-active conference commissioner again brings your conference to its knees and you don't have a choice.
Not really sure what the school AD's and presidents are seeing in all of this.
I think that all of these are valid concerns for the conference. However, I also think that the ADs and presidents are all fully aware of these football issues as opposed to ignoring or being oblivious to them. The problem is that it is not apparent at all that the main option, which would be splitting and then adding someone along the lines of Memphis, ECU, or UCF, would solve any of the issues that have been brought up here. None of those schools are going to get the BE into another New Year's Day bowl (there's a case that Memphis would bring the Liberty Bowl, but that's not the same as high profile NYD game) or would provide any leverage against ESPN or another television network to get them to either pay more for BE football or give them better time slots (and to the extent that the basketball side no longer includes the NYC, Chicago, DC, and Philly markets, the conference would lose out on that sport).
As I've stated elsewhere, I think that many (not all) proponents of a split often seem to assume that quantity is the problem for BE football. However, the fact is that ESPN and the bowl organizers could care less about quantity - otherwise, the MAC and WAC would have fantastic TV contracts and bowl tie-ins while the lone wolf of Notre Dame wouldn't be raking in money hand over fist. As Jackson1011 stated, the problem is quality from a long-term perspective in the sense that there isn't a top power anchor to BE football that can attract TV and fan dollars year-in and year-out win-or-lose. I agree with him completely that the usual suspects for BE expansion candidates wouldn't bring anything close to what the conference really needs, which is an Ohio State/USC/Texas-type program that drives interest whether they win or lose. The only advantage from expansion would be the alleviation of conference scheduling concerns (where you could have 8 conference games as opposed to 7 conference games). However, just because you have more games to offer does not mean that ESPN would care to show those games (once again, look at the vast inventory of MAC and WAC games that go untelevised or are given midweek time slots). Frankly, I think that one of the current BE FB programs would have more of a chance of developing into a marquee program of that stature more so than any of the expansion candidates. I believe that the people in power in the BE understand this better than many of the fans, who often only see things from a "What have you done for me lately?" mentality. When FB programs schedule games 10 or more years in advance, it's extremely unrealistic to think that a conference is just going to decide to turn on a dime after being in its current form for only about 5 years.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - gosports1 - 11-17-2008 02:17 PM
Frank the Tank Wrote:buckaineer Wrote:From reading articles about the new BE commish it seems that all we can look forward to is more of the same from the leadership.
This is troubling because there are some very serious issues, particularly affecting the football programs that need to be addressed, yet status quo seems to be what the Rhode Island boys are all about. Do nothing until something bad is done to you and you have no choice--IMO a recipe for disaster down the road.
The BE football teams trail other BCS conferences by gigantic proportions in terms of revenues coming in. Everyone else is able to pay their Dukes, Baylors, Indianas, etc. the same amount as the top dog. The bottom feeders from these other leagues make more year in and out than the top all sport team from the BE. But the commish doesn't think anything needs to change.
The bowl situation for the BE has and continues to be dismal, with only a slim chance for a BE team that comes in second to play on New Years Day, low payouts and unattractive competition and dates for most bowls. No other conference in the BCS could have their second place team with a low payout matchup in Charlotte before New Years Day. The unattractive matchups, locations in cold weather areas and odd days and times also make it unlikely that fans are going to be motivated to travel during the holidays, unlike other conferences matchups. But the commish apparently doesn't think anything needs to change.
Television. BE football simply has dismal coverage from the ESPN family of Networks. The ACC has been down badly this season, maybe even moreso than the BE, yet they have multiple weekend games being televised on ESPN national networks and ABC every single week. What does the BE get? Weeknights--increasingly not even Thursdays--now Fridays are being used to display BE games when most people including recruits and pollsters are out doing other things like H.S. football. And what happens when you have matchups like WVU-Uconn or Cincy-WVU which was a very important conference game--the best they deliver is obscure BE network coverage seen by very few markets nationally or ESPNU or the worst ESPN 360--and with the huge contracts given to the SEC this isn't looking good for the future of BE football. Television money is also dismal in the BE as compared to other conferences--If you compare what ACC teams are getting and markets between the two conferences you'd have to say the BE is getting underfunded significantly. Will the BE commish work to secure a less exclusive arrangement with higher profile slots and more money for his league--apparently all is ok and nothing needs to be done.
And of course the issue of adding a team or teams to balance BE football schedules, insure BCS inclusion in case of a future raid or defection, providing TV with more BE games from which to select, thereby driving up BE TV payouts, and to bring in more avid fanbases who will be more attractive to bowls--well apparently it's best to just sit back and do nothing-unless of course another pro-active conference commissioner again brings your conference to its knees and you don't have a choice.
Not really sure what the school AD's and presidents are seeing in all of this.
I think that all of these are valid concerns for the conference. However, I also think that the ADs and presidents are all fully aware of these football issues as opposed to ignoring or being oblivious to them. The problem is that it is not apparent at all that the main option, which would be splitting and then adding someone along the lines of Memphis, ECU, or UCF, would solve any of the issues that have been brought up here. None of those schools are going to get the BE into another New Year's Day bowl (there's a case that Memphis would bring the Liberty Bowl, but that's not the same as high profile NYD game) or would provide any leverage against ESPN or another television network to get them to either pay more for BE football or give them better time slots (and to the extent that the basketball side no longer includes the NYC, Chicago, DC, and Philly markets, the conference would lose out on that sport).
As I've stated elsewhere, I think that many (not all) proponents of a split often seem to assume that quantity is the problem for BE football. However, the fact is that ESPN and the bowl organizers could care less about quantity - otherwise, the MAC and WAC would have fantastic TV contracts and bowl tie-ins while the lone wolf of Notre Dame wouldn't be raking in money hand over fist. As Jackson1011 stated, the problem is quality from a long-term perspective in the sense that there isn't a top power anchor to BE football that can attract TV and fan dollars year-in and year-out win-or-lose. I agree with him completely that the usual suspects for BE expansion candidates wouldn't bring anything close to what the conference really needs, which is an Ohio State/USC/Texas-type program that drives interest whether they win or lose. The only advantage from expansion would be the alleviation of conference scheduling concerns (where you could have 8 conference games as opposed to 7 conference games). However, just because you have more games to offer does not mean that ESPN would care to show those games (once again, look at the vast inventory of MAC and WAC games that go untelevised or are given midweek time slots). Frankly, I think that one of the current BE FB programs would have more of a chance of developing into a marquee program of that stature more so than any of the expansion candidates. I believe that the people in power in the BE understand this better than many of the fans, who often only see things from a "What have you done for me lately?" mentality. When FB programs schedule games 10 or more years in advance, it's extremely unrealistic to think that a conference is just going to decide to turn on a dime after being in its current form for only about 5 years.
AMEN.
3 1/2 years since the new BE formed is not enough time to declare the BE dead. Cuse has the perfect opportunity to hire a 1st rate coach and become that conference leader. Its time to bring that program back to national prominance and get the BE more respect
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - SF Husky - 11-17-2008 02:17 PM
Frank the Tank Wrote:buckaineer Wrote:From reading articles about the new BE commish it seems that all we can look forward to is more of the same from the leadership.
This is troubling because there are some very serious issues, particularly affecting the football programs that need to be addressed, yet status quo seems to be what the Rhode Island boys are all about. Do nothing until something bad is done to you and you have no choice--IMO a recipe for disaster down the road.
The BE football teams trail other BCS conferences by gigantic proportions in terms of revenues coming in. Everyone else is able to pay their Dukes, Baylors, Indianas, etc. the same amount as the top dog. The bottom feeders from these other leagues make more year in and out than the top all sport team from the BE. But the commish doesn't think anything needs to change.
The bowl situation for the BE has and continues to be dismal, with only a slim chance for a BE team that comes in second to play on New Years Day, low payouts and unattractive competition and dates for most bowls. No other conference in the BCS could have their second place team with a low payout matchup in Charlotte before New Years Day. The unattractive matchups, locations in cold weather areas and odd days and times also make it unlikely that fans are going to be motivated to travel during the holidays, unlike other conferences matchups. But the commish apparently doesn't think anything needs to change.
Television. BE football simply has dismal coverage from the ESPN family of Networks. The ACC has been down badly this season, maybe even moreso than the BE, yet they have multiple weekend games being televised on ESPN national networks and ABC every single week. What does the BE get? Weeknights--increasingly not even Thursdays--now Fridays are being used to display BE games when most people including recruits and pollsters are out doing other things like H.S. football. And what happens when you have matchups like WVU-Uconn or Cincy-WVU which was a very important conference game--the best they deliver is obscure BE network coverage seen by very few markets nationally or ESPNU or the worst ESPN 360--and with the huge contracts given to the SEC this isn't looking good for the future of BE football. Television money is also dismal in the BE as compared to other conferences--If you compare what ACC teams are getting and markets between the two conferences you'd have to say the BE is getting underfunded significantly. Will the BE commish work to secure a less exclusive arrangement with higher profile slots and more money for his league--apparently all is ok and nothing needs to be done.
And of course the issue of adding a team or teams to balance BE football schedules, insure BCS inclusion in case of a future raid or defection, providing TV with more BE games from which to select, thereby driving up BE TV payouts, and to bring in more avid fanbases who will be more attractive to bowls--well apparently it's best to just sit back and do nothing-unless of course another pro-active conference commissioner again brings your conference to its knees and you don't have a choice.
Not really sure what the school AD's and presidents are seeing in all of this.
I think that all of these are valid concerns for the conference. However, I also think that the ADs and presidents are all fully aware of these football issues as opposed to ignoring or being oblivious to them. The problem is that it is not apparent at all that the main option, which would be splitting and then adding someone along the lines of Memphis, ECU, or UCF, would solve any of the issues that have been brought up here. None of those schools are going to get the BE into another New Year's Day bowl (there's a case that Memphis would bring the Liberty Bowl, but that's not the same as high profile NYD game) or would provide any leverage against ESPN or another television network to get them to either pay more for BE football or give them better time slots (and to the extent that the basketball side no longer includes the NYC, Chicago, DC, and Philly markets, the conference would lose out on that sport).
As I've stated elsewhere, I think that many (not all) proponents of a split often seem to assume that quantity is the problem for BE football. However, the fact is that ESPN and the bowl organizers could care less about quantity - otherwise, the MAC and WAC would have fantastic TV contracts and bowl tie-ins while the lone wolf of Notre Dame wouldn't be raking in money hand over fist. As Jackson1011 stated, the problem is quality from a long-term perspective in the sense that there isn't a top power anchor to BE football that can attract TV and fan dollars year-in and year-out win-or-lose. I agree with him completely that the usual suspects for BE expansion candidates wouldn't bring anything close to what the conference really needs, which is an Ohio State/USC/Texas-type program that drives interest whether they win or lose. The only advantage from expansion would be the alleviation of conference scheduling concerns (where you could have 8 conference games as opposed to 7 conference games). However, just because you have more games to offer does not mean that ESPN would care to show those games (once again, look at the vast inventory of MAC and WAC games that go untelevised or are given midweek time slots). Frankly, I think that one of the current BE FB programs would have more of a chance of developing into a marquee program of that stature more so than any of the expansion candidates. I believe that the people in power in the BE understand this better than many of the fans, who often only see things from a "What have you done for me lately?" mentality. When FB programs schedule games 10 or more years in advance, it's extremely unrealistic to think that a conference is just going to decide to turn on a dime after being in its current form for only about 5 years.
Well said. I don't think PSU is coming to the BE soon either. The only other option is focusing on TV markets. I think Temple and UCF are probably two best bets. Temple would make sense if they ever can get some interest in that program locally.
The TV coverage this year been horrible. The new commissioner got a huge task in front of him. With this hire, they seem to want to keep the status quo.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - buckaineer - 11-17-2008 02:49 PM
I think that their are problems and solutions to those problems that don't have anything to do with a split. I don't necessarily think a split would make sense at all.
I do think that a comissioner should be charged with doing everything possible to put their conference at the top of all conferences. Look what the big Ten commissioner has done--He took a conference that was very flat-although it did have a storied history--added a juggernaut in PSU that dramatically boosted excitement and revenues and has continued to grow his league to the point that they basically dictate to the BCS how things are going to be-getting teams in the Rose every year plus another team in BCS and keeping everyone else from having a playoff system. He has created a network that doubles his teams tv revenues and also boosted their pay and exposure on the regular networks. He has kept his league in prime time Saturday spots and no midweek games at all even though his league has been dramatically exposed the last few years for not really being all that great when compared to other BCS leagues.
I'll be the first to say it doesn't appear realistic that the BE could ever achieve the Big Ten level of success. That being said it seems the BE commissioners are content with being last in everything without so much as a whimper. It would have been nice to see what a hardball commish might have done for this league in terms of getting revenues up, improving bowls and exposure etc. Afterall, they do have the best basketball league in America to bargain with not to mention some great football markets like parts of Florida and Ohio and Pennsylvania and New Jersey and New York.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - rferry - 11-17-2008 04:07 PM
Gray Avenger Wrote:Quality, not quantity, is the problem. Add ECU, and you have the same bowl lineup. Memphis would likely bring the Liberty, but that's a geographic preference. The Gator and other bowls won't care.buckaineer Wrote:No other conference in the BCS could have their second place team with a low payout matchup in Charlotte before New Years Day.
No other conference in the BCS has only 8 football schools.
The answer is to build up the league. Get ranked. Get sell outs. Get national TV games. Get locals excited. Get stadiums expanded. Get donors paying. Get traveling. The respect will follow.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Cubanbull - 11-17-2008 04:34 PM
rferry Wrote:and why cant we do that and still add memphis get that extra bowl and an even 4-4 conference shedule while we are at it?Gray Avenger Wrote:Quality, not quantity, is the problem. Add ECU, and you have the same bowl lineup. Memphis would likely bring the Liberty, but that's a geographic preference. The Gator and other bowls won't care.buckaineer Wrote:No other conference in the BCS could have their second place team with a low payout matchup in Charlotte before New Years Day.
No other conference in the BCS has only 8 football schools.
The answer is to build up the league. Get ranked. Get sell outs. Get national TV games. Get locals excited. Get stadiums expanded. Get donors paying. Get traveling. The respect will follow.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - rferry - 11-17-2008 09:58 PM
You mean aside from addressing the 17th member / split issue?
Accommodating and building Memphis, along efforts at Cincy, Louisville, USF, Rutgers, UConn and so on would be a strain on Big East football's already weak revenues and reputation. It's important to build a strong core before expansion.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Cubanbull - 11-18-2008 09:41 AM
Once again adding Memphis as a FOOTBALL-ONLY member does not affect the basketball side whatsoever. Memphis would add another bowl and bring a team that while not great is not as bad as Syracuse and would benefit from BCS label. It adds another area for BE football and another conference game for all involved.
So while NOT strengthening the league right away, it would not weaken it and it would benefit TV,Bowls deals and Memphis would improve.
Adding Memphis would NOT affect the BE's reputation because in reality noone outhere that would immediately do that is available or will be available. So Memphis can improve as the rest of the conference does also
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - MichaelSavage - 11-18-2008 09:44 AM
Cubanbull Wrote:Once again adding Memphis as a FOOTBALL-ONLY member does not affect the basketball side whatsoever. Memphis would add another bowl and bring a team that while not great is not as bad as Syracuse and would benefit from BCS label. It adds another area for BE football and another conference game for all involved.
So while NOT strengthening the league right away, it would not weaken it and it would benefit TV,Bowls deals and Memphis would improve.
Adding Memphis would NOT affect the BE's reputation because in reality noone outhere that would immediately do that is available or will be available. So Memphis can improve as the rest of the conference does also
Football-only members don't work, as Temple demonstrated.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Cubanbull - 11-18-2008 10:23 AM
No. What Temple demonstrated was that without support for administration the program would not succeed.
Its amazing how many think that because of Temple the football only method wont work. But have no problem with the basketball only members.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - buckaineer - 11-18-2008 11:37 AM
Cubanbull Wrote:No. What Temple demonstrated was that without support for administration the program would not succeed.
Its amazing how many think that because of Temple the football only method wont work. But have no problem with the basketball only members.
Memphis has one of the best bb programs in the nation. I seriously doubt they want to leave that behind in some also ran conference. I do believe the Memphis program is one of the few that could be added to the existing conference that would bring in enough $$ to make the addition worth it. They have a decent sized TV market and may be carried in other areas of TN as well-this should provide a bump in tv coverage. They supposedly could bring the Liberty Bowl with its decent profile and good payout to the BE. They have strong financial backing from a major corporation. If their bb were added then this would surely increase bb's take home as well. The only downsides are you have to have 17 teams and you have to wait who knows how long for them to improve on the field. Frankly there is no eveidence Memphis is better than the current Syracuse program on the football field.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - MichaelSavage - 11-18-2008 11:45 AM
Cubanbull Wrote:No. What Temple demonstrated was that without support for administration the program would not succeed.
Its amazing how many think that because of Temple the football only method wont work. But have no problem with the basketball only members.
The Big East has no "basketball only" members.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - bitcruncher - 11-18-2008 11:49 AM
MichaelSavage Wrote:The Big East has no "basketball only" members.Quite true. The non-football members play their minor sports within the conference, although which minor sports they play varies widely from school to school. This is the main reason many people feel that football and basketball are the only sports played in The BEast. It's also the main reason I want an all-sports conference.
It would be nice to have EVERYONE on the same page - just once...
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - SoCalPanther - 11-18-2008 12:10 PM
Quote:The non-football members play their minor sports within the conference, although which minor sports they play varies widely from school to school. This is the main reason many people feel that football and basketball are the only sports played in The BEast. It's also the main reason I want an all-sports conference.
It would be nice to have EVERYONE on the same page - just once...
Other 'all-sports' conferences have the same thing. Not all Big 10 schools play baseball, hockey, mens gymnastics, soccer, volleyball, lacrosse, etc. Same in other conferences.
At the minimum, I wish the BE will setup some minimum athletic budget numbers or spending. That way we would know there is a committment from all the schools involved.
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Cubanbull - 11-18-2008 12:24 PM
MichaelSavage Wrote:Cubanbull Wrote:No. What Temple demonstrated was that without support for administration the program would not succeed.
Its amazing how many think that because of Temple the football only method wont work. But have no problem with the basketball only members.
The Big East has no "basketball only" members.
As pointed by Hoquista, the point was that Memphis could join for football and other sports while placing their basketball program in the MVC or OVC. Both of those are actually higher ranked conferences in basketball than CUSA.
Basketball ibn the BE is the big sore point because its the revenue producer that all 16 schools in BE participate. You go thru the other sports and thats not the case.
By the way there are many cases like South Carolina playing soccer in CUSA and having other programs in SEC
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - bitcruncher - 11-18-2008 12:24 PM
True. Minor sports will vary within other conferences, although nowhere near to the same degree we experience here within The BEast. This hybrid monstrosity is very amenable to discord...
RE: Concerns w/ new commish - Cubanbull - 11-18-2008 12:27 PM
Sooner or later this conference will have to realize that football needs room to grow and that if having 16 basketball schools is the max then is the current make up the best financially for league.
Would an all sports Memphis bring more to the entire league than Providence or Seton Hall to name two?