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Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - omniorange - 07-02-2008 06:17 PM
Conference Bowl Net Revenues
Once again the Big East finished fourth in net average per team when it came to net bowl revenues last year, while the ACC finished last - again.
SEC - $2,415,977 average per team
Big 10 - $2,217,664 average per team
Big 12 - $1,808,869 average per team
Big East - $1,774,628 average per team
Pac 10 - $1,764,701 average per team
ACC - $1,605,304 average per team
Cheers,
Neil
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - ClairtonPanther - 07-02-2008 06:33 PM
wow, not bad at all. and we all are complaining(including myself) about our bowl situation. i say the bowl revenue looks pretty damn good.
but always could be better.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - cuseroc - 07-02-2008 06:41 PM
omnicarrier Wrote:Conference Bowl Net Revenues
Once again the Big East finished fourth in net average per team when it came to net bowl revenues last year, while the ACC finished last - again.
SEC - $2,415,977 average per team
Big 10 - $2,217,664 average per team
Big 12 - $1,808,869 average per team
Big East - $1,774,628 average per team
Pac 10 - $1,764,701 average per team
ACC - $1,605,304 average per team
Cheers,
Neil
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - CatsClaw - 07-02-2008 07:27 PM
animus Wrote:wow, not bad at all. and we all are complaining(including myself) about our bowl situation. i say the bowl revenue looks pretty damn good.
I completely agree with you. Our bowl situation was far better then we realized! Could be better, and hopefully will be better, but still impressive! Hopefully the St. Pete bowl makes it a little bit better.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - Krocker Krapp - 07-02-2008 07:30 PM
I have been saying all along that people were fretting too much about bowl revenues. Things can - and will - get better but we are well ahead of schedule at this point in time.
Adding the St. Petersburg Bowl is going to be a big help once it becomes firmly established and the Papa John's Bowl payout will increase in 2010 should the SEC continue as our opponent. Remember also that the Meineke Car Care Bowl is upping its payment as well.
I can actually see a few realistic scenarios where we might catch up with the Big 12 in five or ten years although the SEC and Big Ten are way too far ahead of everyone else.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - Slypenny - 07-02-2008 10:00 PM
Our average bowl payout has not been the issue most discussed. Its matchups, tradition, wanting the bigger named bowls with match ups against more BCS conferences. Other conferences can get away with playing conference USA and MAC (perception not reality) teams in a bowl because they are usually sending two more teams than we are. We end up arguing amongst ourselves over one of the few possibilities to play, what is perceived to be higher quality opponents, if for no other reason than to help justify the team's season as a success. I am as guilty as the next this past season, arguing the merits of UC over UCONN, for no other reason than wanting to play a BCS conference school in a bowl. When you talk match ups, it feels right, like your school has arrived.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - templefootballfan - 07-04-2008 06:29 AM
Once you put championship game revenue in with bowl games it changes.
SEC is 3.5 million
B-12 is 2.5
ACC is 2.2
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - CatsClaw - 07-04-2008 06:34 AM
templefootballfan Wrote:Once you put championship game revenue in with bowl games it changes.
SEC is 3.5 million
B-12 is 2.5
ACC is 2.2
Why would you put conference championship game revenue with bowl revenue, championship game and bowl revenue are two completely different things.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - CatsClaw - 07-04-2008 06:38 AM
Slypenny Wrote:Our average bowl payout has not been the issue most discussed. Its matchups, tradition, wanting the bigger named bowls with match ups against more BCS conferences. Other conferences can get away with playing conference USA and MAC (perception not reality) teams in a bowl because they are usually sending two more teams than we are. We end up arguing amongst ourselves over one of the few possibilities to play, what is perceived to be higher quality opponents, if for no other reason than to help justify the team's season as a success. I am as guilty as the next this past season, arguing the merits of UC over UCONN, for no other reason than wanting to play a BCS conference school in a bowl. When you talk match ups, it feels right, like your school has arrived.
I agree. The only good thing about this new bowl arrangement is that UC would have played South Carolina or Alabama last year, which would have helped our ranking and given us more respect with our bowl win.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - KnightLight - 07-04-2008 11:08 AM
CatsClaw Wrote:templefootballfan Wrote:Once you put championship game revenue in with bowl games it changes.
SEC is 3.5 million
B-12 is 2.5
ACC is 2.2
Why would you put conference championship game revenue with bowl revenue, championship game and bowl revenue are two completely different things.
Possibly because both of them are considered post-regular season games?
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - omniorange - 07-04-2008 11:25 AM
templefootballfan Wrote:Once you put championship game revenue in with bowl games it changes.
SEC is 3.5 million
B-12 is 2.5
ACC is 2.2
I won't argue the whys and the wherefores of how doing that type of analysis attempts to 'rig' the above in favor of those conferences who are at 12.
But to do what you suggest, one would need to know what the championship game made and what amount was incurred in expenses. Not all three conferences which have championship games publicly reveal both figures. For the 2005-06 game, the ACCCG made $5,749,603 while the expenses were listed as $1,232,155, for a net profit of just over $4.5 million.
We don't have those figures yet for the 06-07 year. But it is plain to see that by doing so, your figures, at least for the ACC are too high. However, I do concede that by adding in the championship game totals, likely it would push the ACC total past the Big East's.
Cheers,
Neil
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - omniorange - 07-04-2008 11:27 AM
KnightLight Wrote:CatsClaw Wrote:templefootballfan Wrote:Once you put championship game revenue in with bowl games it changes.
SEC is 3.5 million
B-12 is 2.5
ACC is 2.2
Why would you put conference championship game revenue with bowl revenue, championship game and bowl revenue are two completely different things.
Possibly because both of them are considered post-regular season games?
Actually, the BCS ratings treat conference championship games as a 13th regular season game.
Cheers,
Neil
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - CatsClaw - 07-04-2008 12:14 PM
KnightLight Wrote:CatsClaw Wrote:templefootballfan Wrote:Once you put championship game revenue in with bowl games it changes.
SEC is 3.5 million
B-12 is 2.5
ACC is 2.2
Why would you put conference championship game revenue with bowl revenue, championship game and bowl revenue are two completely different things.
Possibly because both of them are considered post-regular season games?
Actually that's wrong. There is a reason why a conference championship game counts towards the BCS' final poll and a bowl game DOES NOT count towards the BCS' final poll. Because a conference championship game is considered a regular season game and a bowl game is considered a postseason game.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - templefootballfan - 07-04-2008 01:32 PM
Yes I was trying to show advantages to 12 conf. Even tough BCS counts as part of regular season, game is still post season game that not avaiable to smaller conf.
Also, I don't think net bowl revenue takes into account expences of bowl game. net revenue
from championship should count the same
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - CardinalJim - 07-04-2008 01:38 PM
Neil,
You have some kind of nerve.
Trying to post something positive on The Big East Board about The Big East. You need to think like these ACC brown nosers from Temple and UCF. There's no way the Big East does anything better than God's gift to college football, The ACC. Didn't you know they invented college football in the ACC. 
CJ
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - templefootballfan - 07-04-2008 02:02 PM
When you comprehend bussiness side of conf, get back to me.
How does somebody who hopes to see BE strenghten itself become
ACC brown noser
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - CardinalJim - 07-04-2008 03:21 PM
templefootballfan Wrote:When you comprehend bussiness side of conf, get back to me.
How does somebody who hopes to see BE strenghten itself become
ACC brown noser
Your constant negative comments belie your wishes for the Big East to strengthen itself. Neil's post had nothing to do with conference championship games as they are not bowl games. You took it upon yourself to inject how much more money the other conferences make because they play a conference championship game. If you want to make that comment start another thread. Does it bother you that much that the Big East is successful? Hold that big a grudge? If you want to be pissed at some one be pissed at your school's leadership and not the Big East.
CJ
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - Ring of Black - 07-04-2008 03:39 PM
CardinalJim Wrote:Didn't you know they invented college football in the ACC.They also invented running up 222 point margins of victory on weak opponents :towel:
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - CatsClaw - 07-04-2008 04:01 PM
templefootballfan Wrote:Yes I was trying to show advantages to 12 conf. Even tough BCS counts as part of regular season, game is still post season game that not avaiable to smaller conf.
Also, I don't think net bowl revenue takes into account expences of bowl game. net revenue
from championship should count the same
It doesn't make any sense to count a championship game towards a bowl game, they're two completely different games. That's like counting conference tournament revenue with NCAA Tournament revenue. A conference championship game isn't a postseason game, it's a regular season game to decide the conference's BCS representative.
RE: Conference Rank Net Bowl Revenues... - templefootballfan - 07-04-2008 04:59 PM
Does it bother me that the BE is successful, NO. What does bother me is the BE is in the same boat that they were in '98. I held the same position then, do something to strenghten yourself or get picked apart. Some of you guys think your on par with the B-10, I don't see that way. That doesn't mean I'm against BE. What it means is, I realize it's ever changing landscape & BE doesn't progress they will get swallowed up. this is how big bussiness operates, your a bussiness guy, blows my mind you can not comprehend this