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- sherman&grant - 04-13-2004 08:55 PM
... and a rich cow wife worth hundreds of millions (buried in trusts somewhere?), pays one third the taxes George Bush pays.
You hypocritical snake liberal/anarchist/pinhead/whatever ought to be outraged by this. Kerry spends more on ski trips than he pays in taxes. Let's hear all about "fair share" and "tax cuts for the wealthy." Oh yeah, sure you will.
<a href='http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=150-04132004' target='_blank'>Kerry Releases 2003 Income Tax Returns</a>
- Rebel - 04-13-2004 08:59 PM
He doesn't. Wealth is not taxed, only interest. I could have 2 billion in the bank and the only thing taxed is the interest I make on it per year.
- Schadenfreude - 04-13-2004 09:11 PM
sherman&grant Wrote:... and a rich cow wife worth hundreds of millions (buried in trusts somewhere?), pays one third the taxes George Bush pays.John Kerry believes we should recind George Bush's tax cuts for rich people like the both of them, and I agree with Kerry.
You hypocritical snake liberal/anarchist/pinhead/whatever ought to be outraged by this. Kerry spends more on ski trips than he pays in taxes. Let's hear all about "fair share" and "tax cuts for the wealthy." Oh yeah, sure you will.
<a href='http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=150-04132004' target='_blank'>Kerry Releases 2003 Income Tax Returns</a>
- Rebel - 04-13-2004 09:22 PM
Yeah, as we know damn well that people that make the money shouldn't be able to keep it. What do they think, we're capitalist or something?
Again, wealth is NOT taxed, therefore mega-millionaire's wealth is NOT taxed. These increases he supports will hurt white-collar workers like Dr.s, Business owners, etc. Yep, that's who "I" want to see screwed. People that save lives and people that create jobs. You libs don't have a clue.
- Guest - 04-14-2004 04:55 AM
RebelKev Wrote:Yeah, as we know damn well that people that make the money shouldn't be able to keep it. What do they think, we're capitalist or something?Actually, it's you that doesn't have a clue. Kerry is only talking about repealing the tax breaks that were given to the ultra-wealthy...a group that has no need for a tax cut. Bush's economic plan consists of corporate welfare, tax cuts for the truly wealthy, and unfunded mandates that are bankrupting the states.
Again, wealth is NOT taxed, therefore mega-millionaire's wealth is NOT taxed. These increases he supports will hurt white-collar workers like Dr.s, Business owners, etc. Yep, that's who "I" want to see screwed. People that save lives and people that create jobs. You libs don't have a clue.
<a href='http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm</a>
<a href='http://www.bushtax.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.bushtax.com/</a>
<a href='http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4660655/' target='_blank'>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4660655/</a>
<a href='http://www.brookings.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb101.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.brookings.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb101.htm</a>
<a href='http://www.cbpp.org/6-4-03tax.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.cbpp.org/6-4-03tax.htm</a>
Oh, and if you believe this next one, I suggest that you ask your boss for a cut in pay while increasing your credit card usage and see how you fare. Essentially, that's what this idiot is doing.
<a href='http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/taxplan.html' target='_blank'>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/taxplan.html</a>
- Rebel - 04-14-2004 05:25 AM
The Ultra-Wealthy's wealth is NOT FREAKING TAXED, MORON!!!! Kerry's millions are not taxed. You liberals need to spend more time in economics classes and stay out of these dumb*** art classes.
- Rebel - 04-14-2004 05:26 AM
Oddball Wrote:the ultra-wealthy...a group that has no need for a tax cut.Oh, and says who, you? It's not YOUR money. YOU didn't make it, earn it, or inherit it from someone that did, tell us Stalin, what would YOU want done with it? Revert to the "state"?
- Guest - 04-14-2004 05:41 AM
Moron? Is that the best you can come up with? LOL! Figures. I guess you can't expect much more from someone who is willing to be led around by the nose. Nice response. Read the AUP lately?
Taxes are a fact of life. If you're okay with the majority of the tax burden being placed on the middle class while the wealthy skate, then that is your choice. You should get used to being ridiculed for it, however, as it is a very unintelligent position.
- Schadenfreude - 04-14-2004 06:35 AM
RebelKev Wrote:The Ultra-Wealthy's wealth is NOT FREAKING TAXED, MORON!!!! Kerry's millions are not taxed. You liberals need to spend more time in economics classes and stay out of these dumb*** art classes.As you said, the interest is. Interest is income. So are capital gains.
That's the most shocking thing about Republicans. Despite all their supposed reverence for work, they get most worked about cutting taxes on income people don't have to work for, such as capital gains and estates.
So when Kerry sold that half-interest in that painting, he may have paid less in taxes on that income than people who actually have to sweat for their money.
Thanks, George.
- MaumeeRocket - 04-14-2004 10:18 AM
This is why everyone should pay a flat tax. You pay 25% or whatever you want on income, give tax credits for kids, and we wouldnt have any problems.
- GrayBeard - 04-14-2004 10:25 AM
MaumeeRocket Wrote:This is why everyone should pay a flat tax. You pay 25% or whatever you want on income, give tax credits for kids, and we wouldnt have any problems.No! A flat tax is a regressive tax. It causes the poor to pay more in overall taxes than the rich. Speaking % of income terms.
- Wryword - 04-14-2004 12:46 PM
Taxes are supposed to be levied only on income (earned, interest, gains, rent, etc), but we have already seen how the feds get around that. Remember Billy Clinnon's tax increase? Part of that was a retroactive tax increase, which meant that those affected had to reach into "wealth" to pay it.
Without any limitation on the government's ability to tax, we are all doomed, all at the mercy of the government. Remember the much vaunted Tax Reform Act inthe 80's? Was any one surprised that the net effect was that deductions for things like credit card interest went away, without any limitation on how much they could later raise tax rates.
Our friend JBR must love such a system. He can afford to.
The only way to protect ourselves from these damned lying thieves in congress (they are sometimes called Democrats and sometimes Republicans) is to have a constitutional amendment putting a hard and fast cap on the amount that any one person may be required to pay, and a hard cap on the rates imposable. There must also be a limitation on the kinds of taxes that can be imposed. Estate Taxes should be absolutely prohibited, and dividends should only be taxed against the corporation that made the income or the shareholder, but not both.
There should be a system of graduated tax rates, with the highest rate being at no more than 25%. There will be no deductions, credits, and all that stuff. In other words, you pay a flat percentage of total income. The government will save huge amounts of money on such a system alone.
- joebordenrebel - 04-14-2004 01:26 PM
"pays one third the taxes George Bush pays. . ."
The "pinhead" would like some "evidence," if you please. . .
BTW,
(1) Ad hominem attacks, insults and flames are not acceptable. Posts which consist largely or entirely of such comments will be deleted. Otherwise substantive posts which contain some ad hominems or flames will be edited to remove the inappropriate material while retaining the substance of the post.
Calling a fellow poster a liar, deceitful, or a similar accusation, is not acceptable, even if you believe that your fellow poster really is a liar or deceitful. This kind of accusation never furthers the debate. The only acceptable response on P.D. to what appears to be a lie from a fellow poster is to present evidence or argument to contradict what your fellow poster has said.
Do you think you can formulate an argument without resorting to intellectual ad hominem attacks, Herr Doktor?
Or is that beneath you?
- Schadenfreude - 04-14-2004 08:12 PM
MaumeeRocket Wrote:This is why everyone should pay a flat tax. You pay 25% or whatever you want on income, give tax credits for kids, and we wouldnt have any problems.Sock it to the middle class! That's the way, Maumee!
- joebordenrebel - 04-15-2004 10:52 AM
"Our friend JBR must love such a system. He can afford to."
Yes, when I get back from my yacht cruise today, I think I'll saunter over to the Continent for a month or two.
Nothing like living the good life of a well-paid, highly respected community college instructor! :D
- sherman&grant - 04-15-2004 11:19 AM
joebordenrebel Wrote:Nothing like living the good life of a well-paid, highly respected community college instructor! :DI weep for your students.
- joebordenrebel - 04-15-2004 11:45 AM
Why do you weep for my students?
- Guest - 04-15-2004 12:04 PM
sherman&grant Wrote:I weep for your Slurpee customers.joebordenrebel Wrote:Nothing like living the good life of a well-paid, highly respected community college instructor! :DI weep for your students.
- sherman&grant - 04-15-2004 12:53 PM
Oddball Wrote:I weep for your Slurpee customers.My Slurpee customers always receive their favorite icy cold, flavored beverages, perfectly poured. I wonder what your customers get when they come to see you for a "slurpee."
- Guest - 04-15-2004 12:58 PM
Now you're in your element, I see. :wave: