MaumeeRocket Wrote:<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/25/abortion.protest.ap/index.html' target='_blank'>See for yourself</a>

MaumeeRocket Wrote:Killing a human being with a heart beat is wrong at any stage. Murder is Murder but im not your judge so do what you like. I wonder how may Martin Luther King's have been terminated because their mother made a mistake with her abusive boyfriend. There was 3,00 abortions in Toledo alone last year-frightening.

KlutzDio I Wrote:So many of the anti-abortion crowd hates baby killing, but the same group loves it when our military kills babies in other countries. They also love it when all those coffins come to Dover with American flags draped over them.

KlutzDio I Wrote:Maumee, you said it. Killing is killing and one thing our soldiers do overseas is killing. Don't sugar coat it with all this empty rhetoric of Democratizing the region, or fighting for the advancement of values. Killing is killing and when we do it in a military capacity it is still killing--and consequently still wrong!

KlutzDio I Wrote:Coulter, Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly have all favored the killing of Arabs and have all rejoiced in our endeavors overseas, especially Coulter, with Hannity coming in second.

I can't remember the quote entirely, but Coulter wrote a column in Oct. of 2002 claiming we should invade their lands, kill their women and children, and whomever is left should be converted to Christianity.

Coulter took heat for these comments because she admitted to the New York Times in the summer of 2002 that she is not a Christian, a chain smoker, promiscuous, never served in the military, is divorced, and a reformed drug user.

Now to answer your direct question, Gray, why yes, the pro-Life crowd loves killing and death. They loved it whenever GW Bush didn't interfere in someone's execution--way back when GW Bush was screwing up Texas (before he began screwing up the country).

The Pro-Life crowd, for the most part, loves it whenever we send young, impoverished men and women overseas to be suicide bombers' fodder. We also love it when our military men and women drop death from above via of a B2. They equally get all jolly at the prospect of our sailers sending Tomahawks down on enemy women and children.

The pro-Life crowd loves the death and maiming of women and children so much, they've created a word to describe this act. Ever hear of "collateral damage?"

Then there's the usual killing of enemy combatants during warfare, and the Pro-Lifers have always loved war!

The Pro-Life crowd loves death and have usually always loved it.

My uncle, a former Marine officer (bombadier), claimed a recent terrorist attack at the Rose Bowl wouldn't be all that bad "because it would just kill a bunch of Michigan and California liberals and we're better off without the likes of them..."

So, I'm not being sick, the Pro-Life crowd is sick because they purport an agenda that they themselves do not fully support or believe in. Pro-Life really means Pro-Death and Pro-Violence.

MaumeeRocket Wrote:

KlutzDio I Wrote:Maumee, you said it. Killing is killing and one thing our soldiers do overseas is killing. Don't sugar coat it with all this empty rhetoric of Democratizing the region, or fighting for the advancement of values. Killing is killing and when we do it in a military capacity it is still killing--and consequently still wrong!

It would be a much better world if nobody had to pick up a gun or kill their unborn child. Killing is terrible no matter who does it. I dont support out troop being anywhere but here, but unfortunately the world dosent work like that. They have to be overseas and i will support them. Second i think if took a poll of all 130,000 men and women i dont think killing other peoples babies is high on their list, they want to come home and most of them realize they signed up for it and have to finish out their duty.

KlutzDio I Wrote:

MaumeeRocket Wrote:

KlutzDio I Wrote:Maumee, you said it. Killing is killing and one thing our soldiers do overseas is killing. Don't sugar coat it with all this empty rhetoric of Democratizing the region, or fighting for the advancement of values. Killing is killing and when we do it in a military capacity it is still killing--and consequently still wrong!

It would be a much better world if nobody had to pick up a gun or kill their unborn child. Killing is terrible no matter who does it. I dont support out troop being anywhere but here, but unfortunately the world dosent work like that. They have to be overseas and i will support them. Second i think if took a poll of all 130,000 men and women i dont think killing other peoples babies is high on their list, they want to come home and most of them realize they signed up for it and have to finish out their duty.

So basically what you are getting at is you hate killing in general and you hate even more some people's rationalizations for unnecessary killings, i.e. abortion.

Abortion lovers rationalize their act of killing by claiming that the fetus is not really a life yet, or they can't care for the fetus, or the father took off so what's the point, or I'm too young to have a baby, or I can't get into my prom dress all big, fat and pregnant, or I can't get into my wedding dress all big, fat and pregnant.

In short, the abortion crowd rationalizes killing to absolve them of responsibility for their actions.

Likewise, soldiers rationalize unnecessary killings in a variety of ways.
1. Following orders, yet all U.S. servicemen and women have one superceding order that they can ignore or challenge any cleary unethical or immoral orders.
2. Killing these heathens (whether Japanese, German or A-Rabs) protects my family.
3. Killing Arabs overseas protects my individual freedom.
4. Killing Arabs overseas protects my country, nevermind the fact that the Iraqis were incapable of attacking the United States.
5. Killing Arabs or anyone who steps to me protects my nation's collective freedom.
6. Killing will land me that next stripe, or those Captain bars.
7. Killing will land me some medals so that way, one day I can be a big-wig at the local VFW chapter.
8. Why should I care about killing, let God sort them out!

And there are many other rationalizations for killing by our servicemen and women.

Key to this discussion are the rationalizations our leaders use that put our military personnel in the theatre that makes killing all the more possible. Those rationalizations are varied, yet many are the same as the ones our soldiers use to justify unnecessary killing.

So, what we have here Maumee is you disagree with rationalizing murder that absolves one of irresponsibility. Yet, at the same time you agree with many of the rationalizations our leaders use to murder. Many of the rationalizations for killing in the present two conflicts overseas were constructed to absolve our government of irresponsible actions due to past policies.

We propped up Saddam, we left the Afghanis high and dry after the Soviet pullout. We turned the blind eye to the Taliban, and we provided Saddam with the chemicals to gas and kill.

Likewise, we fund and provide Israel with their war machine. This is another irresponsible policy on the part of our government, and one day a big war will be rationalized in order to absolve us of responsibility in that matter.