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- Rebel - 11-04-2004 12:16 PM
As I keep hearing all of these "sour-grapes" liberals saying, "The President is going to have to reach across the aisle and compromise", I start thinking, why? You guys lost by 3.5 million votes and a LOT of electoral votes. Isn't that an indicator that it is you that needs to do the compromising and you that isn't mainstream? The people have spoken. They don't like your agenda. They sided with Bush. Why in the hell would Bush alienate the people that voted for him by pandering to the people that didn't? He's been there and done that. You are the guys that are going to have to re-evaluate your party and move closer to the center. HINT: It isn't putting the #1 and #4 senators in the country on the presidential ticket. The sheer arrogance of liberals astounds me.
- Dogger - 11-04-2004 12:22 PM
Reb,
I couldn't agree with you more. F this reaching across the aisle bull____. Get along with your agenda W. Let's see how much you accomplish. No one else to blame. If things get better, I'll consider red next election. If things get worse then the red better start thinking blue. I can't wait for him to try and reverse Roe vs. Wade, fix social security, and keep the economy going with his policies.
If you can't get along............ Then let's get it on...........
- Rebel - 11-04-2004 12:23 PM
Yeah, I see YOU totally missed it. I didn't say compromise was bad, I said it wasn't Bush that needed to compromise.
- Dogger - 11-04-2004 12:29 PM
Compromise is BAD when you compromise for compromise sake. Stand for something!! Damn it. If you do believe in his policies fine, but if you don't... NO COMPROMISE!!!!
He has the political capital, spend it. Look how they treated the Daschle photograph of him hugging the president. F this guy. I don't change my core beliefs either should he. Let's get along with you agenda W. Let's see how GOOD it is for America.
- Rebel - 11-04-2004 12:33 PM
Dogger Wrote:Compromise is BAD when you compromise for compromise sake. Stand for something!! Damn it. If you do believe in his policies fine, but if you don't... NO COMPROMISE!!!!Do you think the Democrats can ever get elected to the White House with their current leftist stance?
He has the political capital, spend it. Look how they treated the Daschle photograph of him hugging the president. F this guy. I don't change my core beliefs either should he. Let's get along with you agenda W. Let's see how GOOD it is for America.
- Rebel - 11-04-2004 12:34 PM
The reason I ask, is that the only way a Republican can get too far right for me is on social issues. Fiscal? Go all the way right as far as I'm concerned.
- Dogger - 11-04-2004 12:42 PM
I'm a fiscal conservative. I believe we need to take a look at what's important and fund those programs. Are federal taxes too high? I know your not going to believe this but I say no. I own two homes and after my deductions I pay like 7% of my salary. I honestly don't believe they are high. I do believe in govt. programs. I detest pork barrel politics. We need the line item veto.
On the social side I know I lean left. I feel they bashed gays this election to win it. I honestly FELT Bill Clinton did more for the Republican agenda than any Republican could do and he was crucified for it. I really agreed with a lot of the policies of Clinton.
- Ninerfan1 - 11-04-2004 12:52 PM
Quote:I'm a fiscal conservative. I believe we need to take a look at what's important and fund those programs. Are federal taxes too high? I know your not going to believe this but I say no.
Well that's the trick isn't it? What's "important" to you could be federal money funding abortion. That's not what's important to me.
Fiscal conservative automatically brings with it LIMITED government. If you believe in govt programs, you're no fiscal conservative.
Quote:On the social side I know I lean left. I feel they bashed gays this election to win it.
Here we go. :rolleyes: Been reading the lefties articles this morning eh Dogger?
- Rebel - 11-04-2004 01:09 PM
Ninerfan1 Wrote:Yeah, I figured that would come up sooner or later. Here's the breakdownQuote:I'm a fiscal conservative. I believe we need to take a look at what's important and fund those programs. Are federal taxes too high? I know your not going to believe this but I say no.
Well that's the trick isn't it? What's "important" to you could be federal money funding abortion. That's not what's important to me.
Fiscal conservative automatically brings with it LIMITED government. If you believe in govt programs, you're no fiscal conservative.
Quote:On the social side I know I lean left. I feel they bashed gays this election to win it.
Here we go. :rolleyes: Been reading the lefties articles this morning eh Dogger?
Bush received 20% of the gay vote in 2000. He ALSO received 20% this election.
How much did Kerry get? Dogger? A whopping...........28%.
Damn you guys like to play that game, but you need to update your playbook.
- Dogger - 11-04-2004 01:34 PM
So where did the other 52% go.
20% of the gay vote went Bush. 28% went Kerry. Your leaving some out aren't you??
- Rebel - 11-04-2004 01:40 PM
Dogger Wrote:So where did the other 52% go.You DO realize there were other parties, don't you? To be honest with you, most gay people are fiscally conservative(can't remember the where the poll came from). Log Cabin Republicans are gay, but with the growth of the LP, they may start to dwindle.
20% of the gay vote went Bush. 28% went Kerry. Your leaving some out aren't you??
- Dogger - 11-04-2004 01:46 PM
So your saying that 52% of gay and lesbians voted a thried party. Can't believe it. Do you remember wher you read that? Link?
- Rebel - 11-04-2004 01:49 PM
Dogger Wrote:So your saying that 52% of gay and lesbians voted a thried party. Can't believe it. Do you remember wher you read that? Link?I'll try to find it.
- Ninerfan1 - 11-04-2004 01:51 PM
Dogger Wrote:So your saying that 52% of gay and lesbians voted a thried party. Can't believe it. Do you remember wher you read that? Link?I think you should understand that 1) the number of gays in this country is an estimate since many don't let their orientation be known. 2) Not every gay votes.
- Dogger - 11-04-2004 01:52 PM
But it says 20% of gay vote.. not gays.
- Rebel - 11-04-2004 01:54 PM
My bad Dogger, Kerry received 78%, while Bush received 21%. A lot of this is more than likely due to people telling them they will lose their rights and be burned at the stake if Bush is elected. I know a few gay people. Most of them are more fiscally conservative than I am, which leads me to believe that the LP will be the primary party of the gay community in the future. Add that with the fact that Neal Boortz goes head to head with people that talk bad about homosexuals all the time, and the DNC's chances of retaining them isn't good.
<a href='http://www.washblade.com/blog/index.cfm?start=10/29/04&end=11/5/04#163' target='_blank'>http://www.washblade.com/blog/index.cfm?st...end=11/5/04#163</a>
The one titled, "Bush wins same portion of gay vote as '00"
- Dogger - 11-04-2004 02:01 PM
Thanks Reb,
Reading through that it said 4 percent of our voters identified themselves as gay. I think I read somewhere that 10% of our population is gay or lesbian. Does that sound high to people???
- Schadenfreude - 11-05-2004 10:24 AM
RebelKev Wrote:As I keep hearing all of these "sour-grapes" liberals saying, "The President is going to have to reach across the aisle and compromise", I start thinking, why? You guys lost by 3.5 million votes and a LOT of electoral votes. Isn't that an indicator that it is you that needs to do the compromising and you that isn't mainstream? The people have spoken. They don't like your agenda. They sided with Bush. Why in the hell would Bush alienate the people that voted for him by pandering to the people that didn't? He's been there and done that. You are the guys that are going to have to re-evaluate your party and move closer to the center. HINT: It isn't putting the #1 and #4 senators in the country on the presidential ticket. The sheer arrogance of liberals astounds me.Lyndon Johnson earned a mandate.
Ronald Reagan earned a mandate.
Bush received 51 percent of the popular vote.
That's no mandate.
- Schadenfreude - 11-05-2004 10:28 AM
RebelKev Wrote:My bad Dogger, Kerry received 78%, while Bush received 21%. A lot of this is more than likely due to people telling them they will lose their rights and be burned at the stake if Bush is elected.Tis true ('cept for the part about the stake).
Bush wanted to write gays and lesbians out of the Constitution. Many of the ballot proposals to ban gay marriage in state constitutions were nothing more than attempts to help Bush's campaign by getting conservatives to the polls.
It boggles my mind that someone could be gay and Republican -- although I don't doubt the 20 percent figure you are citing.
A couple of very high profile Republican leaders in Ohio are gay.
I just don't get it.
- Dogger - 11-05-2004 10:34 AM
Schad-
Don't name names. Tell me the office they hold. I didn't realize that? Does anyone else think that 10% of our population is gay?