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- MU ATO - 09-08-2005 08:53 AM

Quote:DAILY NEWS EXCLUSIVE

Campaign pros get top jobs

By KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - The three top jobs at the Federal Emergency Management Agency under President Bush went to political cronies with no apparent experience coping with catastrophes, the Daily News has learned.

Even if Bush were to fire embattled and suddenly invisible FEMA Director Michael Brown over his handling of Hurricane Katrina, the bureaucrat immediately below him is no disaster professional, either.

While Brown ran horse shows in his last private-sector job, FEMA's No. 2 man, deputy director and chief of staff Patrick Rhode, was an advance man for the Bush-Cheney campaign and White House. He also did short stints at the Commerce Department and Small Business Administration. Rhode's biography posted on FEMA's Web site doesn't indicate he has any real experience in emergency response.

In addition, the agency's former third-ranking official, deputy chief of staff Scott Morris, was a PR expert who worked for Maverick Media, the Texas outfit that produced TV and radio spots for the Bush-Cheney campaign. In June, Morris moved to Florida to become FEMA's long-term recovery director.

<a href='http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/344004p' target='_blank'>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/...t/story/344004p</a>

Freakin accountability PLEASE!!!!???!!!!!!


- MU ATO - 09-08-2005 10:57 AM

Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:


- blah - 09-08-2005 12:16 PM

MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
Why do you want to put the Jeopardy music in a line? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That word you were looking to use is spelled "queue." However, the word you really wanted to use and that is pronouced the same is "cue" meaning to signal or prompt.

Maybe you should check that stuff out before you make a post claiming to own someone......


:ownd:


- JTiger - 09-08-2005 01:07 PM

blah Wrote:
MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
Why do you want to put the Jeopardy music in a line? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That word you were looking to use is spelled "queue." However, the word you really wanted to use and that is pronouced the same is "cue" meaning to signal or prompt.

Maybe you should check that stuff out before you make a post claiming to own someone......


:ownd:
04-bow :ownd: 04-bow :roflol:

BTW, nice avatar blah. When can we expect the next one?


- Motown Bronco - 09-08-2005 03:10 PM

MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
No argument from me.

It's cronyism. It's simply politicians being politicians. Hires like this have probably happened in every administration since the Whig Party was in existence.

The worst natural disaster in history just highlighted Bush's cronyism under a microscope. No Katrina, and it wouldn't have been so noticable.


I think the ugly politicizing and mud-slinging over the past few weeks, by all sides, has surpassed the 2004 pre-election levels, if that's even possible.


- westernwilly - 09-08-2005 08:16 PM

blah Wrote:
MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
Why do you want to put the Jeopardy music in a line? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That word you were looking to use is spelled "queue." However, the word you really wanted to use and that is pronouced the same is "cue" meaning to signal or prompt.

Maybe you should check that stuff out before you make a post claiming to own someone......


:ownd:
Chill out blah, this is not the Grammer Forum.
If that is what you are looking for then go back up to the top - click on "Lounge" - and scroll across till you get to "Speling Be". 03-razz


- Rebel - 09-08-2005 09:42 PM

This comes from a news source that leans to the left.

Quote:State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do With Floods

By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 8, 2005; Page A01

Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a $748 million construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was building a huge new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic.

Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.

n Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the bacon.

For example, after a $194 million deepening project for the Port of Iberia flunked a Corps cost-benefit analysis, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) tucked language into an emergency Iraq spending bill ordering the agency to redo its calculations. The Corps also spends tens of millions of dollars a year dredging little-used waterways such as the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, the Atchafalaya River and the Red River -- now known as the J. Bennett Johnston Waterway, in honor of the project's congressional godfather -- for barge traffic that is less than forecast.

The Industrial Canal lock is one of the agency's most controversial projects, sued by residents of a New Orleans low-income black neighborhood and cited by an alliance of environmentalists and taxpayer advocates as the fifth-worst current Corps boondoggle. In 1998, the Corps justified its plan to build a new lock -- rather than fix the old lock for a tiny fraction of the cost -- by predicting huge increases in use by barges traveling between the Port of New Orleans and the Mississippi River.

In fact, barge traffic on the canal had been plummeting since 1994, but the Corps left that data out of its study. And barges have continued to avoid the canal since the study was finished, even though they are visiting the port in increased numbers.

Pam Dashiell, president of the Holy Cross Neighborhood Association, remembers holding a protest against the lock four years ago -- right where the levee broke Aug. 30. Now she's holed up with her family in a St. Louis hotel, and her neighborhood is underwater. "Our politicians never cared half as much about protecting us as they cared about pork," Dashiell said.

Yesterday, congressional defenders of the Corps said they hoped the fallout from Hurricane Katrina would pave the way for billions of dollars of additional spending on water projects. Steve Ellis, a Corps critic with Taxpayers for Common Sense, called their push "the legislative equivalent of looting."

Louisiana's politicians have requested much more money for New Orleans hurricane protection than the Bush administration has proposed or Congress has provided. In the last budget bill, Louisiana's delegation requested $27.1 million for shoring up levees around Lake Pontchartrain, the full amount the Corps had declared as its "project capability." Bush suggested $3.9 million, and Congress agreed to spend $5.7 million.

Administration officials also dramatically scaled back a long-term project to restore Louisiana's disappearing coastal marshes, which once provided a measure of natural hurricane protection for New Orleans. They ordered the Corps to stop work on a $14 billion plan, and devise a $2 billion plan instead.

But overall, the Bush administration's funding requests for the key New Orleans flood-control projects for the past five years were slightly higher than the Clinton administration's for its past five years. Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, the chief of the Corps, has said that in any event, more money would not have prevented the drowning of the city, since its levees were designed to protect against a Category 3 storm, and the levees that failed were already completed projects. Strock has also said that the marsh-restoration project would not have done much to diminish Katrina's storm surge, which passed east of the coastal wetlands.

"The project manager for the Great Pyramids probably put in a request for 100 million shekels and only got 50 million," said John Paul Woodley Jr., the Bush administration official overseeing the Corps. "Flood protection is always a work in progress; on any given day, if you ask whether any community has all the protection it needs, the answer is almost always: Maybe, but maybe not."

The Corps had been studying the possibility of upgrading the New Orleans levees for a higher level of protection before Katrina hit, but Woodley said that study would not have been finished for years. Still, liberal bloggers, Democratic politicians and some GOP defenders of the Corps have linked the catastrophe to the underfunding of the agency.

"We've been hollering about funding for years, but everyone would say: There goes Louisiana again, asking for more money," said former Democratic senator John Breaux. "We've had some powerful people in powerful places, but we never got what we needed."

That may be true. But those powerful people -- including former senators Breaux, Johnston and Russell Long, as well as former House committee chairmen Robert Livingston and W.J. "Billy" Tauzin -- did get quite a bit of what they wanted. And the current delegation -- led by Landrieu and GOP Sen. David Vitter -- has continued that tradition.

The Senate's latest budget bill for the Corps included 107 Louisiana projects worth $596 million, including $15 million for the Industrial Canal lock, for which the Bush administration had proposed no funding. Landrieu said the bill would "accelerate our flood control, navigation and coastal protection programs." Vitter said he was "grateful that my colleagues on the Appropriations Committee were persuaded of the importance of these projects."

Louisiana not only leads the nation in overall Corps funding, it places second in new construction -- just behind Florida, home of an $8 billion project to restore the Everglades. Several controversial projects were improvements for the Port of New Orleans, an economic linchpin at the mouth of the Mississippi. There were also several efforts to deepen channel for oil and gas tankers, a priority for petroleum companies that drill in the Gulf of Mexico.

"We thought all the projects were important -- not just levees," Breaux said. "Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but navigation projects were critical to our economic survival."

Overall, Army Corps funding has remained relatively constant for decades, despite the "Program Growth Initiative" launched by agency generals in 1999 without telling their civilian bosses in the Clinton administration. The Bush administration has proposed cuts in the Corps budget, and has tried to shift the agency's emphasis from new construction to overdue maintenance. But most of those proposals have died quietly on Capitol Hill, and the administration has not fought too hard to revive them.

In fact, more than any other federal agency, the Corps is controlled by Congress; its $4.7 billion civil works budget consists almost entirely of "earmarks" inserted by individual legislators. The Corps must determine that the economic benefits of its projects exceed the costs, but marginal projects such as the Port of Iberia deepening -- which squeaked by with a 1.03 benefit-cost ratio -- are as eligible for funding as the New Orleans levees.

"It has been explicit national policy not to set priorities, but instead to build any flood control or barge project if the Corps decides the benefits exceed the costs by 1 cent," said Tim Searchinger, a senior attorney at Environmental Defense. "Saving New Orleans gets no more emphasis than draining wetlands to grow corn and soybeans."



- Rebel - 09-08-2005 09:43 PM

I.e., the liberals ****ed up.


- MU ATO - 09-09-2005 06:32 PM

blah Wrote:
MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
Why do you want to put the Jeopardy music in a line? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That word you were looking to use is spelled "queue." However, the word you really wanted to use and that is pronouced the same is "cue" meaning to signal or prompt.

Maybe you should check that stuff out before you make a post claiming to own someone......


:ownd:
Oh great a grammar and spelling police officer.

Good luck on your journey throughout the internet correcting bad spelling everywhere you surf.
04-rock


- MU ATO - 09-09-2005 06:34 PM

Motown Bronco Wrote:
MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
No argument from me.

It's cronyism. It's simply politicians being politicians. Hires like this have probably happened in every administration since the Whig Party was in existence.

The worst natural disaster in history just highlighted Bush's cronyism under a microscope. No Katrina, and it wouldn't have been so noticable.


I think the ugly politicizing and mud-slinging over the past few weeks, by all sides, has surpassed the 2004 pre-election levels, if that's even possible.
Im just tired of people saying we should back Dubya's administration no matter what they do. Its sad and pathetic. I look forward to the Clinton comments as that is the typical whine & *****.


- MU ATO - 09-09-2005 06:36 PM

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- gruehls - 09-09-2005 06:54 PM

MU ATO Wrote:Im just tired of people saying we should back Dubya's administration no matter what they do. Its sad and pathetic. I look forward to the Clinton comments as that is the typical whine & *****.
i'm not sure who's saying that.

this was a cluster f*ck from up and down, right and left, black and white.

if this was the best we could do 4 years after 9/11, heads should roll everywhere. but with all respect, it's tough to pin that racial component to gwb, and ignore the more immediate failures of the governor of louisiana who, last time i checked, seemed to be both white and incompetent.


- I45owl - 09-09-2005 10:18 PM

note: with apologies for being untimely - I wrote this last night but forgot to hit post...

RebelKev Wrote:I.e., the liberals ****ed up.
This is a national embarassment that required failure at every level of government for many many years. It's clear that the Mayor, Governor, and FEMA have made the situation worse, but there was little room for them to really do something useful in such a disaster. This article is remarkable, if nothing else, because of the corrections posted.

That Mike Brown is FEMA chief is absolutely incredible and his appointment is indefensible. Here's a quick summary of his qualifications <a href='http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050919&s=campos091905' target='_blank'>Mike Brown's Padded Resume</a>:

Quote:When Brown left the iaha four years ago, he was, among other things, a failed former lawyer--a man with a 20-year-old degree from a semi-accredited law school who hadn't attempted to practice law in a serious way in nearly 15 years and who had just been forced out of his job in the wake of charges of impropriety. At this point in his life, returning to his long-abandoned legal career would have been very difficult in the competitive Colorado legal market. Yet, within months of leaving the iaha, he was handed one of the top legal positions in the entire federal government: general counsel for a major federal agency. A year later, he was made its number-two official, and, a year after that, Bush appointed him director of fema.

An honest reckoning of the history leading up to Katrina will probably show that every president, senator, governor, and legislator since the 70s deserves a share of the blame.

The key phrase in the article you posted isn't "Democrat", "Republican", "liberal", nor "conservative". It's this: more than any other federal agency, the Corps is controlled by Congress; its $4.7 billion civil works budget consists almost entirely of "earmarks" inserted by individual legislators. The provincial self-interest of our politics and egotism of our politicians almost guaranteed a disaster like this would happen. The one certainty is that there is no more merit to Republican pork than there is to Democrat pork.

Part of the problem that we will see play out is that the only people held accountable will be the ones that are least capable of shifting blame. Certainly, Brown is a lightweight, and the only reason he won't immediately be thrown to the wolves is that it's not him, but his appointment that is most embarassing. We may see Kennedy attacking the administration and DeLay and company attacking the faults of the Louisianna pols, but the empire-building and lobbyist-driven decision making of Congress deserve more direct blame.

Someone might be able to pin hundreds of deaths directly attributable to the idiot mayor or the idiot FEMA director, but it's the thousands of deaths and Billions of dollars that are attibutable to fundamental corruptions of our political institutions that should be the target. I don't give very good odds that either the President, Congress, or a gold star commission will give an honest reckoning.

I think everyone needs to stop being self-indulgent and recognize that this is a national embarassment. Partisan and provincial thinking has a lot to do with how the problem was created in the first place - it's unlikely it will then bring about a resolution to it.


- Motown Bronco - 09-11-2005 11:02 AM

I agree that the response was sub-par (to say the least), and all levels of government bureaucracy shares some of the blame on this one. I think this is pretty established.

But it still goes without saying that when a flood is involved, especially one of this magnitude in a major US city, it really does muck things up. And we don't have much historical experience with these types of floods.

In disasters like an earthquake, or Oklahoma City, or 9-11, etc, emergency crews are still able to get in and out of an area once a path through the debris is cleared (and in the case of OC and 9-11, Ground Zero was much more contained and localized than Katrina).

With a massive flood, the only modes of emergency transportation are boats and helicopters, which I'd imagine are harder to coordinate.


- 99Tiger - 09-18-2005 10:36 AM

I45Owl Wrote:The key phrase in the article you posted isn't "Democrat", "Republican", "liberal", nor "conservative". It's this: more than any other federal agency, the Corps is controlled by Congress; its $4.7 billion civil works budget consists almost entirely of "earmarks" inserted by individual legislators. The provincial self-interest of our politics and egotism of our politicians almost guaranteed a disaster like this would happen. The one certainty is that there is no more merit to Republican pork than there is to Democrat pork.
Wow...it's amazing to see that someone actually understands how the USACE actually operates. As individuals, they're great and knowledgable people; however, they funding is so tightly controlled by Congress that so much of their efforts are misguided...not because of what they see as priorities, but because of earmarks.

Sadly, on one of my projects, I had a Corps employee pull me aside and basically say that my project likely won't be started in time because the City didn't lobby it's Representatives in time to get the funds earmarked. I got a real quick lesson on how things actually work.


- blah - 09-19-2005 11:09 AM

MU ATO Wrote:
blah Wrote:
MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
Why do you want to put the Jeopardy music in a line? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That word you were looking to use is spelled "queue." However, the word you really wanted to use and that is pronouced the same is "cue" meaning to signal or prompt.

Maybe you should check that stuff out before you make a post claiming to own someone......


:ownd:
Oh great a grammar and spelling police officer.

Good luck on your journey throughout the internet correcting bad spelling everywhere you surf.
04-rock
Just wanted to point out that it really takes away from your main arguments when your obvious ignorance is blaring in the background. It really seems that you are big on using the :ownd: characterization. Maybe you should leave that to others who actually understand its use and are qualified to use it.

I have another question for you. Why is it that everyone on the left has no problem throwing stones at Pres. Bush for his so-called ignorance and stupidity, yet now I am considered the spelling and grammar police for pointing out actual ignorance? At least Bush went to Yale & Harvard.

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/ncaa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=17389' target='_blank'>Spin Room thread on Bush ignorance</a>


- MU ATO - 09-22-2005 08:09 AM

blah Wrote:
MU ATO Wrote:
blah Wrote:
MU ATO Wrote:Que the jeapordy music please!!!!

:ownd:
Why do you want to put the Jeopardy music in a line? :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That word you were looking to use is spelled "queue." However, the word you really wanted to use and that is pronouced the same is "cue" meaning to signal or prompt.

Maybe you should check that stuff out before you make a post claiming to own someone......


:ownd:
Oh great a grammar and spelling police officer.

Good luck on your journey throughout the internet correcting bad spelling everywhere you surf.
04-rock
Just wanted to point out that it really takes away from your main arguments when your obvious ignorance is blaring in the background. It really seems that you are big on using the :ownd: characterization. Maybe you should leave that to others who actually understand its use and are qualified to use it.

I have another question for you. Why is it that everyone on the left has no problem throwing stones at Pres. Bush for his so-called ignorance and stupidity, yet now I am considered the spelling and grammar police for pointing out actual ignorance? At least Bush went to Yale & Harvard.

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/ncaa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=17389' target='_blank'>Spin Room thread on Bush ignorance</a>
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Sorry for my spelling mistake. Sometimes when you're typing and you dont spell check mistakes happen. Big deal. Get over it. If not then keep on crying about it. Possibly you cna set up a help website for those people that spell words wrong online. Heck you might even make some money at the same time.

I will give you an A+ for being a Grade A prick.

So in closing.

Go **** Yourself.

Have a nice day ALSO DELETED BY GRUEHLS

Clean up your language MU ATO


- MU ATO - 09-22-2005 08:12 AM

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- GrayBeard - 09-22-2005 01:09 PM

MU ATO Wrote:[Image: bush_Responsibility_No_Mistakes.jpg]
The level of your maturity is amazing. I mean it looks great when you use sights like buckfush.com. No, your not a liberal nutcase at all.

Grow up just a little...


- Ninerfan1 - 09-22-2005 01:58 PM

GrayBeard Wrote:The level of your maturity is amazing.  I mean it looks great when you use sights like buckfush.com.  No, your not a liberal nutcase at all.

Grow up just a little...
It has less to do with maturity and more to do with an outright inability to think for yourself.

Libs like MuMu begin with a premise "I hate Bush" and then visit these left wing, nut job websites to be told why. You can't reason with someone who starts from a position of hate instead of arriving there after research. There are some that arrive at hate for Bush after research, however it's only researching the same sites MuMu does and the seed was always there, planted by the same ignorance that is rampant in the Unamerican left.

It's vicious cycle. :john: