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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-07-2013 09:58 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
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(07-06-2013 10:21 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I would add Oklahoma for sure. But I would add Cincinnati before I added anyone else. The potential market is just to great to pass up.

It would be fun to grow a burr in the Buckeye's backside.

I bet the SEC would pull a lot of kids away from the B1G with addition of Cincy...

Would the rest of the SEC really care to? Certainly Kentucky might like it considering all the Ohio recruiting they are trying to do but who else would be for that move instead of a move with some of the other potentials stated in this thread?
The SEC would care greatly for its network exposure in sixth largest state. It's that same reason the Big10 just had to have Maryland. Even though Maryland isn't really very good.

Neither is Cincinatti. If the SEC wants that 40K stadium then have at it.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-07-2013 11:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 09:58 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 01:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(07-06-2013 10:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It would be fun to grow a burr in the Buckeye's backside.

I bet the SEC would pull a lot of kids away from the B1G with addition of Cincy...

Would the rest of the SEC really care to? Certainly Kentucky might like it considering all the Ohio recruiting they are trying to do but who else would be for that move instead of a move with some of the other potentials stated in this thread?
The SEC would care greatly for its network exposure in sixth largest state. It's that same reason the Big10 just had to have Maryland. Even though Maryland isn't really very good.

Neither is Cincinatti. If the SEC wants that 40K stadium then have at it.
Cincy would explode. There are schools in the B1G that draw 40,000.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
To get to 16 I'd say WVU and Okie St. In the long run, the AAU schools available in the B12 probably aren't worth the hassle of integrating into the SEC. Yes, desperation can make for strange bedfellows, i.e. Mizzou, but the Tigers are IMO at the outer limit of NW expansion for the SEC.

As 10th mentioned, there will be significant opposition from several SEC West schools regarding any further TX/OK additions. My selections of the Cowboys is meant to be a non-threatening alternative that might actually be accepted.

While Cincy isn't even in my top 5 expansion choice, if they were invited, the Bearcats could use Paul Brown Stadium (~66K) until they found a proper replacement for Nippert.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
OU(or Ecu when they get the B12 nod :)) & WVU.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-07-2013 11:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 11:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 09:58 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 01:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  I bet the SEC would pull a lot of kids away from the B1G with addition of Cincy...
Would the rest of the SEC really care to? Certainly Kentucky might like it considering all the Ohio recruiting they are trying to do but who else would be for that move instead of a move with some of the other potentials stated in this thread?
The SEC would care greatly for its network exposure in sixth largest state. It's that same reason the Big10 just had to have Maryland. Even though Maryland isn't really very good.
Neither is Cincinatti. If the SEC wants that 40K stadium then have at it.
Cincy would explode. There are schools in the B1G that draw 40,000.
And you can find them at the bottom of the B1G standings every year...
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 06:55 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  To get to 16 I'd say WVU and Okie St. In the long run, the AAU schools available in the B12 probably aren't worth the hassle of integrating into the SEC. Yes, desperation can make for strange bedfellows, i.e. Mizzou, but the Tigers are IMO at the outer limit of NW expansion for the SEC.

As 10th mentioned, there will be significant opposition from several SEC West schools regarding any further TX/OK additions. My selections of the Cowboys is meant to be a non-threatening alternative that might actually be accepted.

While Cincy isn't even in my top 5 expansion choice, if they were invited, the Bearcats could use Paul Brown Stadium (~66K) until they found a proper replacement for Nippert.

To me OSU isnt worth the add because they are the #2 team in a small market state (and so is KSU)

Now, if we had to add a western team, my go-tos are:

1) KU - reunite the KU/MU border war and knock SEC basketball up a real notch

2) SMU - They are a non threatening, Vandy-esque school but they WOULD improve academics and (more importantly) get the SEC firmly into DFW the way it is in Houston now. A&M, Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn and LSU coming into Dallas every year will get the local's attention in a way Baylor, Tech and OSU vs TCU never will.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 01:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 06:55 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  To get to 16 I'd say WVU and Okie St. In the long run, the AAU schools available in the B12 probably aren't worth the hassle of integrating into the SEC. Yes, desperation can make for strange bedfellows, i.e. Mizzou, but the Tigers are IMO at the outer limit of NW expansion for the SEC.

As 10th mentioned, there will be significant opposition from several SEC West schools regarding any further TX/OK additions. My selections of the Cowboys is meant to be a non-threatening alternative that might actually be accepted.

While Cincy isn't even in my top 5 expansion choice, if they were invited, the Bearcats could use Paul Brown Stadium (~66K) until they found a proper replacement for Nippert.

To me OSU isnt worth the add because they are the #2 team in a small market state (and so is KSU)

Now, if we had to add a western team, my go-tos are:

1) KU - reunite the KU/MU border war and knock SEC basketball up a real notch

2) SMU - They are a non threatening, Vandy-esque school but they WOULD improve academics and (more importantly) get the SEC firmly into DFW the way it is in Houston now. A&M, Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn and LSU coming into Dallas every year will get the local's attention in a way Baylor, Tech and OSU vs TCU never will.

I didn't go with SMU b/c I thought we were limited to only B12 schools. Clearly you might have a better perspective on KU than I would, but do you really think the Jayhawks would fully appreciate and embrace the SEC the way A&M has?
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-06-2013 10:21 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I would add Oklahoma for sure. But I would add Cincinnati before I added anyone else. The potential market is just to great to pass up.

Cincinnati?? You are joking, right?
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 01:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 06:55 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  To get to 16 I'd say WVU and Okie St. In the long run, the AAU schools available in the B12 probably aren't worth the hassle of integrating into the SEC. Yes, desperation can make for strange bedfellows, i.e. Mizzou, but the Tigers are IMO at the outer limit of NW expansion for the SEC.

As 10th mentioned, there will be significant opposition from several SEC West schools regarding any further TX/OK additions. My selections of the Cowboys is meant to be a non-threatening alternative that might actually be accepted.

While Cincy isn't even in my top 5 expansion choice, if they were invited, the Bearcats could use Paul Brown Stadium (~66K) until they found a proper replacement for Nippert.

To me OSU isnt worth the add because they are the #2 team in a small market state (and so is KSU)

Now, if we had to add a western team, my go-tos are:

1) KU - reunite the KU/MU border war and knock SEC basketball up a real notch

2) SMU - They are a non threatening, Vandy-esque school but they WOULD improve academics and (more importantly) get the SEC firmly into DFW the way it is in Houston now. A&M, Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn and LSU coming into Dallas every year will get the local's attention in a way Baylor, Tech and OSU vs TCU never will.

The profitability of teams in the Big 12 have 1. Texas, 2. Oklahoma, 3. Oklahoma State, 4. Kansas (may move up with new deal), and 5. West Virginia

National merchandising has them 1. Texas, 2. Oklahoma, 3. West Virginia
4. Kansas, 5. Oklahoma State

So what I'm saying is that past Texas and Oklahoma the trio of West Virginia, Kansas, and Oklahoma State form the next tier of prospects out of the Big 12. After that you have Kansas State, Iowa State and Texas Tech in no particular order with Baylor in there closely enough to really call it a tier of 4, with T.C.U. bringing up the rear. Therefore my only disagreement with you 10th is that from a market standpoint Oklahoma State would still be strong. They are the 25th most profitable program in the United States and therefore of all remaining targets (meaning AAC, unaffiliated, & Big 12 teams) they are #3 overall and the deliver that market.
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RE: If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(07-08-2013 03:10 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  
(07-06-2013 10:21 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I would add Oklahoma for sure. But I would add Cincinnati before I added anyone else. The potential market is just to great to pass up.

Cincinnati?? You are joking, right?
No. I'm not joking at all. Cincy would be a great addition to the east division.
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