Its official. How amazingly clever! http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-c...ncaaf.html

Tomorrow, announcements on the 3 contract bowls and the site of the first national championship under the new system. Brett McMurphy is reporting that Cowboys Stadium has been selected for the final. [/i]

It really is NOT a playoff. Real playoffs have equal access for all.

Until they do a 20-team tournament with each conference (including all the G6), it is still just a glorified exhibition.

I don't think the playoff needs to include 20 teams but it should have at least 8 teams.

(04-23-2013 07:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don't think the playoff needs to include 20 teams but it should have at least 8 teams.

Perhaps one day it will. But for now...

(04-23-2013 07:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It really is NOT a playoff. Real playoffs have equal access for all.

Until they do a 20-team tournament with each conference (including all the G6), it is still just a glorified exhibition.

WTF? 20 teams? 8 is more than enough right now. I would have no problem going to 8...not 16 or 20.

(04-23-2013 07:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don't think the playoff needs to include 20 teams but it should have at least 8 teams.

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Eight would be a perfect number. Use the four existing BCS Bowls and seed one thru eight. Four left on Jan 2nd.

(04-23-2013 08:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It really is NOT a playoff. Real playoffs have equal access for all.

Until they do a 20-team tournament with each conference (including all the G6), it is still just a glorified exhibition.

WTF? 20 teams? 8 is more than enough right now. I would have no problem going to 8...not 16 or 20.

20 teams = 10 auto bids, plus required equal number (or more) of at-large bids.

Unless it meets the NCAA criteria, and it truly encompasses the entire sub-division, it is not a playoff.

It is the only subdivision of any sport NOT to have a true playoff. There is NO valid reason not to have one.

Which is why the P5 will demand its own subdivision for football.

That way it can expand to 8 without having to give a slot to MAC or SBC champ.

Call this what you want. I did not want a playoff and to me this is sadly a playoff. I'd still go back to poll and bowl and if I could and de-emphasize the national championship in favor of the conference championships. There are 10 I-A leagues, not one. No need to push to pretend like everyone is part of one big supper league.

(04-23-2013 09:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It really is NOT a playoff. Real playoffs have equal access for all.

Until they do a 20-team tournament with each conference (including all the G6), it is still just a glorified exhibition.

WTF? 20 teams? 8 is more than enough right now. I would have no problem going to 8...not 16 or 20.

20 teams = 10 auto bids, plus required equal number (or more) of at-large bids.

Unless it meets the NCAA criteria, and it truly encompasses the entire sub-division, it is not a playoff.

It is the only subdivision of any sport NOT to have a true playoff. There is NO valid reason not to have one.

It works in BB not FB. Sorry.

It works in the other divisions of football. High school. Div 2 and 3 and 1aa. It would work in div 1a they just don't want it to.

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Except HS football divides itself into subdivisions based on size and commitment. FBS doesn't right now and insists that conferences struggling to put 30k in the stands are equal to conferences with multiple schools selling out 100k stadiums.

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(04-23-2013 07:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don't think the playoff needs to include 20 teams but it should have at least 8 teams.

8 is probably the most ideal IMO. Not too watered down but gives every team with a legit claim a shot at it.

(04-23-2013 09:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It really is NOT a playoff. Real playoffs have equal access for all.

Until they do a 20-team tournament with each conference (including all the G6), it is still just a glorified exhibition.

WTF? 20 teams? 8 is more than enough right now. I would have no problem going to 8...not 16 or 20.

20 teams = 10 auto bids, plus required equal number (or more) of at-large bids.

Unless it meets the NCAA criteria, and it truly encompasses the entire sub-division, it is not a playoff.

It is the only subdivision of any sport NOT to have a true playoff. There is NO valid reason not to have one.

There is a valid reason: History.

The NCAA basketball tournament goes back to 1939. It had only 8 teams for more than 20 years, didn't give an autobid to every D-I conference, and didn't have 64 teams until 1985. Until the mid-1970s, teams that were invited to the NCAA tournament, even conference champs, didn't have to play in the NCAA tournament and could opt for the NIT instead. The NCAA basketball tournament of today, which you want to model an FBS playoff on, was far different for the first 40-plus years of its existence than it is now.

The baseball College World Series dates back to 1947 (also started with only 8 teams in the entire tournament and not giving autobids to every D-I conference, and they didn't have 64 teams in the NCAA tournament until 1999).

Top-level college football has never had a NCAA basketball tournament-style playoff. The bowl-game system goes back farther than the NCAA basketball tournament -- the first Rose Bowl was played on 1/1/1902, the first Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl games on 1/1/1935.

It's not realistic to think that we can wipe out history overnight and start from a blank slate, or to think that we can go from having no playoff at all for over 100 years to instantly having a supersized March Madness-style football tournament.

As for money, the "little guys" will be making far more money from the CFP than they make from the NCAA basketball tournament even if they never send a team to the CFP or even to a major bowl game. Reports are that each non-contract FBS league will get $12 million every year from the CFP money pile. The D-I basketball conferences that send only one team to the tournament and don't win any games get less than $1.5 million a year per conference.

Each non-contract FBS conference will make more money every year from the CFP, even that conference is never relevant in the playoff chase, than every D-I basketball conference other than the ACC, BE, B1G, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC make from the basketball tournament.

(04-23-2013 11:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It really is NOT a playoff. Real playoffs have equal access for all.

Until they do a 20-team tournament with each conference (including all the G6), it is still just a glorified exhibition.

WTF? 20 teams? 8 is more than enough right now. I would have no problem going to 8...not 16 or 20.

Going off of this, there has never been an official national champion in FBS football.

20 teams = 10 auto bids, plus required equal number (or more) of at-large bids.

Unless it meets the NCAA criteria, and it truly encompasses the entire sub-division, it is not a playoff.

It is the only subdivision of any sport NOT to have a true playoff. There is NO valid reason not to have one.

There is a valid reason: History.

The NCAA basketball tournament goes back to 1939. It had only 8 teams for more than 20 years, didn't give an autobid to every D-I conference, and didn't have 64 teams until 1985. Until the mid-1970s, teams that were invited to the NCAA tournament, even conference champs, didn't have to play in the NCAA tournament and could opt for the NIT instead. The NCAA basketball tournament of today, which you want to model an FBS playoff on, was far different for the first 40-plus years of its existence than it is now.

The baseball College World Series dates back to 1947 (also started with only 8 teams in the entire tournament and not giving autobids to every D-I conference, and they didn't have 64 teams in the NCAA tournament until 1999).

Top-level college football has never had a NCAA basketball tournament-style playoff. The bowl-game system goes back farther than the NCAA basketball tournament -- the first Rose Bowl was played on 1/1/1902, the first Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl games on 1/1/1935.

It's not realistic to think that we can wipe out history overnight and start from a blank slate, or to think that we can go from having no playoff at all for over 100 years to instantly having a supersized March Madness-style football tournament.

As for money, the "little guys" will be making far more money from the CFP than they make from the NCAA basketball tournament even if they never send a team to the CFP or even to a major bowl game. Reports are that each non-contract FBS league will get $12 million every year from the CFP money pile. The D-I basketball conferences that send only one team to the tournament and don't win any games get less than $1.5 million a year per conference.

Each non-contract FBS conference will make more money every year from the CFP, even that conference is never relevant in the playoff chase, than every D-I basketball conference other than the ACC, BE, B1G, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC make from the basketball tournament.

(04-23-2013 07:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It really is NOT a playoff. Real playoffs have equal access for all.

Until they do a 20-team tournament with each conference (including all the G6), it is still just a glorified exhibition.

It's a real playoff -- just because the Go5 isn't represented doesn't mean it's not a real playoff.

In fact, the Go5 need to start work on their own "real playoff", too, since the "split" is not that far off in the horizon.

(04-23-2013 09:37 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Which is why the P5 will demand its own subdivision for football.

That way it can expand to 8 without having to give a slot to MAC or SBC champ.

Pretty easy solution. Just seed the top 8 teams in the CFP poll and use the BCS bowls. No need to breakaway. The P5 already gets everything they want and then some from TV, NCAA, t-shirt fans, media, etc. I mean, they've got every conceivable advantage out there. Jeez.

Wait...the whole reason they have been using "Bowl Alliance" and "BCS" and all other forms was that the NCAA explicitly forbid them from any name that implied it was THE college football championship or playoff, because that only exists in FCS...that's the whole ******* point (it's even in the soon-to-be-old logo if you look closely...it's the "BCS Championship", not the "National Championship" or "College Football Championship"). So either the NCAA caved or the Cartel has picked a name and dared the NCAA to say **** about it. Unbelievable...