(02-20-2013 02:59 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:49 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Appearances in the MACC game:
Marshall 5
UT 5
NIU 4
Miami 4
CMU 3
WMU 2
Kent State 1
Ball State 1
Buffalo 1
Akron 1
BGSU 1

i think you forgot a team in that list.

UMass and EMU?

(02-20-2013 03:12 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:59 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:49 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Appearances in the MACC game:
Marshall 5
UT 5
NIU 4
Miami 4
CMU 3
WMU 2
Kent State 1
Ball State 1
Buffalo 1
Akron 1
BGSU 1

i think you forgot a team in that list.

UMass and EMU?

ha! ;-)

Since 2012, Kent St. is one of only two MAC teams who are undefeated in regular season play. Their regular season winning percentage is the HIGHEST IN MAC HISTORY and will never be surpassed!

I guess that makes KSU the top football program in MAC history!

Right you are, Axe.

What I really want to know is how has Toledo done on the road on Tuesday nights when it is snowing or really foggy?

(02-20-2013 03:17 PM)axeme Wrote:  Since 2012, Kent St. is one of only two MAC teams who are undefeated in regular season play. Their regular season winning percentage is the HIGHEST IN MAC HISTORY and will never be surpassed!

I guess that makes KSU the top football program in MAC history!

Baloney! You Kent State fans are always quantifying things. Highest win percentage. Most victories last year. Whenever anyone says "We did this or we did that" you QUANTIFY! Quantifying, quantifying, quantifying. And Yes, you ALL do it. Every single one of you like its in a fan manual or something and I want it to stop this very minute!

(02-20-2013 01:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  UT does have 10 MAC Championships + 6 more Division Championships, for a total of 16. It's just clever wording they are using for that stat.

(02-20-2013 11:01 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  IIRC...he told Barry Church that the Rockettes would be zooming off to the Big East shortly. I also think that when the kid's coach realized that Toledo Tom was a big fat liar it made it difficult to recruit there again

You might want to get your facts straight. If Amstutz did tell Barry that, it did not make it more difficult for UT to recruit Penn Hills HS (where Barry is from) - we've had 5 guys come from Barry's HS sign with UT since Barry came to UT.

If Amstutz hadn't said that I suppose we would have had ten.

Won't be long before UMass owns the Rockets like Bowling Green does.


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(02-20-2013 05:25 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Won't be long before UMass owns the Rockets like Bowling Green does.


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Oh thanks, now I have to quantify.

lol

Video was made FOR recruits. As for 16 MAC Titles, that actually refers to MAC West titles.
BUT recruits don't really investigate that number, and it is a number that the programs and many sites use at Toledo when refering to (# of Championships).
The video was posted and sent to recruits, it just happened to get "leaked" to the public.
You either like it or you don't. By getting angry, you are actually spreading the video and putting Toledo further ahead of Miami in the recruit race

ps: 20,000 go to the Glass Bowl and watch games where 16 MAC Title logo's rest on the Larimer Complex for all to see.

Hey Guys,

My name is David Sankovich and I'm the Video Coordinator for the Rockets. As a staff member, I prefer not to be involved in forum debates, but after being alerted to the conversation on this board by one of my student workers, I felt the need to respond. The video was made strictly as a recruiting video for recruits. The concept was to encourage them to consider what it would be like to be a Toledo Rocket - to make them a Rocket for a couple of minutes. My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC. I'm sure other teams and their fans would disagree with this perception, but I bet I would disagree with what other teams are telling recruits as well. I'm sure a lively debate could also ensue that we don't have "a tradition unlike any other" in the MAC, but that's what I believe we have at Toledo and what I wanted to communicate to a recruit.

As far as the MAC "titles", this was drawn directly from our school's media guide and business cards. It's fair to debate whether divisional championships and co-championships should be included in this number, but I don't feel like that is important to a recruit. Although it may not be higher than some other teams, we are proud of this number, which is why we display every championship, co-championship, and divisional championship prominently in our stadium, as well as our media guide and business cards. I feel that if there is an issue, it should be made towards those, instead of a recruiting video...

The video was never intended to get as much public recognition as it has. We posted it for recruits on our Vimeo and YouTube page and it soon got picked up by various other sites. Because of the amount of attention it has generated though, I have changed the "winningest" phrase to "one of the winningest" and have updated it on Vimeo - which is the version we use internally. To be honest, I don't think that this changes anything at ALL about the message of the video and how recruits perceive it, but I understand how others may have been upset by it.

Thank you for the kind words and support.

Go Rockets!

P.S. YouTube does not allow me to "update" videos, but I posted a new video and put a link in the original video's description.

We get all of that but the bottom line is it's a big lie. The business cards and media guides are spreading lies as well. Winningest program is an easy one to back up, you have the most wins or most titles, possibly best winning percentage. Counting division titles as conference titles is shady as well. By those standards you can possibly also count winning season as 6 every year, winning record on home and road, winning record out of conference and in conference, post season and bowl games. So thanks for the idea now I can tell people Kent State just had 4 winning seasons last season alone.

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  Hey Guys,

My name is David Sankovich and I'm the Video Coordinator for the Rockets. As a staff member, I prefer not to be involved in forum debates, but after being alerted to the conversation on this board by one of my student workers, I felt the need to respond. The video was made strictly as a recruiting video for recruits. The concept was to encourage them to consider what it would be like to be a Toledo Rocket - to make them a Rocket for a couple of minutes. My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC. I'm sure other teams and their fans would disagree with this perception, but I bet I would disagree with what other teams are telling recruits as well. I'm sure a lively debate could also ensue that we don't have "a tradition unlike any other" in the MAC, but that's what I believe we have at Toledo and what I wanted to communicate to a recruit.

As far as the MAC "titles", this was drawn directly from our school's media guide and business cards. It's fair to debate whether divisional championships and co-championships should be included in this number, but I don't feel like that is important to a recruit. Although it may not be higher than some other teams, we are proud of this number, which is why we display every championship, co-championship, and divisional championship prominently in our stadium, as well as our media guide and business cards. I feel that if there is an issue, it should be made towards those, instead of a recruiting video...

The video was never intended to get as much public recognition as it has. We posted it for recruits on our Vimeo and YouTube page and it soon got picked up by various other sites. Because of the amount of attention it has generated though, I have changed the "winningest" phrase to "one of the winningest" and have updated it on Vimeo - which is the version we use internally. To be honest, I don't think that this changes anything at ALL about the message of the video and how recruits perceive it, but I understand how others may have been upset by it.

Thank you for the kind words and support.

Go Rockets!

P.S. YouTube does not allow me to "update" videos, but I posted a new video and put a link in the original video's description.

In other words- "We never thought anyone besides recruits would see the video. So...we just made stuff up that looked good."

Got it.

I can't wait to see next years. That version will include any ties as wins. Of course, it wont change the message of the video.

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  Hey Guys,

My name is David Sankovich and I'm the Video Coordinator for the Rockets. As a staff member, I prefer not to be involved in forum debates, but after being alerted to the conversation on this board by one of my student workers, I felt the need to respond. The video was made strictly as a recruiting video for recruits. The concept was to encourage them to consider what it would be like to be a Toledo Rocket - to make them a Rocket for a couple of minutes. My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC. I'm sure other teams and their fans would disagree with this perception, but I bet I would disagree with what other teams are telling recruits as well. I'm sure a lively debate could also ensue that we don't have "a tradition unlike any other" in the MAC, but that's what I believe we have at Toledo and what I wanted to communicate to a recruit.

As far as the MAC "titles", this was drawn directly from our school's media guide and business cards. It's fair to debate whether divisional championships and co-championships should be included in this number, but I don't feel like that is important to a recruit. Although it may not be higher than some other teams, we are proud of this number, which is why we display every championship, co-championship, and divisional championship prominently in our stadium, as well as our media guide and business cards. I feel that if there is an issue, it should be made towards those, instead of a recruiting video...

The video was never intended to get as much public recognition as it has. We posted it for recruits on our Vimeo and YouTube page and it soon got picked up by various other sites. Because of the amount of attention it has generated though, I have changed the "winningest" phrase to "one of the winningest" and have updated it on Vimeo - which is the version we use internally. To be honest, I don't think that this changes anything at ALL about the message of the video and how recruits perceive it, but I understand how others may have been upset by it.

Thank you for the kind words and support.

Go Rockets!

P.S. YouTube does not allow me to "update" videos, but I posted a new video and put a link in the original video's description.

OK, thanks for the explanation. I just renamed this thread to Toledo Football - "Fibs and Exaggeration"

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(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

I hope BG makes a recruiting film indicating that the Falcons have won 14 National Championships, 6 in the past 8 years. Really just to declare that BG has improved recently.

(02-19-2013 11:23 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Toledo is most overrated MAC program.

Come on. It's Ohio.

(02-21-2013 09:26 AM)JSF Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 11:23 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Toledo is most overrated MAC program.

Come on. It's Ohio.

If I was an Ohio fan I'd just shut up about now and enjoy a Miami fan jousting with a different windmill.

MAC West titles are not MAC titles, unless you're a salesman or a politician.

(02-21-2013 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  MAC West titles are not MAC titles, unless you're a salesman or a politician.

Well, let's be honest- recruiters are a little bit of both.

(02-21-2013 10:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  MAC West titles are not MAC titles, unless you're a salesman or a politician.

Well, let's be honest- recruiters are a little bit of both.

Well I hope the NIU recruiters aren't lying like that. Gotta have SOME standards. Anyway, we've had enough recent success that we shouldn't have to make stuff up. I wouldn't think Toledo would have to either.