(02-23-2012 10:11 AM)DelhiBearcat Wrote:  I don't really get how the new Big East is any worse than the old Big East to tell you the truth (with the way it stands now). Boise easily replaces WVU, and Syracuse/Pitt are as mediocre as they come (obviously talking from a football standpoint).

Exactly. People are falling into a classic media-driven trap and focusing on the brand names without looking at the big picture. Boise >> WVU, and a mound of warm turds >>>>>>> Pitt/Cuse. I'm excited to see what Memphis and Temple hoops can do to boon up the hoops, because to be honest, I was much more worried about the dissipation of quality there than I was about the football, which, frankly, was never great to begin with even before all this mess.

I also don't understand the alleged attraction to Louisville. Great facilities? Yes. Large market? No. Successful programs? No, not really. Their football stinks (they live on the "next year!" mantra) and their basketball always disappoints in March. Large fanbase? By BE standards, yes; by Big XII standards, no. Do they make it rain with $$$? Again, by BE standards, absolutely; by Big XII standards, hell no.

(02-23-2012 10:34 AM)CD11 Wrote:  Exactly. People are falling into a classic media-driven trap and focusing on the brand names without looking at the big picture. Boise >> WVU, and a mound of warm turds >>>>>>> Pitt/Cuse. I'm excited to see what Memphis and Temple hoops can do to boon up the hoops, because to be honest, I was much more worried about the dissipation of quality there than I was about the football, which, frankly, was never great to begin with even before all this mess.

I also don't understand the alleged attraction to Louisville. Great facilities? Yes. Large market? No. Successful programs? No, not really. Their football stinks (they live on the "next year!" mantra) and their basketball always disappoints in March. Large fanbase? By BE standards, yes; by Big XII standards, no. Do they make it rain with $$$? Again, by BE standards, absolutely; by Big XII standards, hell no.

Another good post.

(02-23-2012 09:59 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 09:52 AM)Nellie Wrote:  Rutgers in the Big 10 makes me laugh...Hell, they can't win in the Big East in football or basketball. I'm done worrying about the conference crap. I'm a Bearcat fan and football season ticket holder, and will remain one regardless of conference. The Big East, right now, is fine...not ideal, in any sense, but not any more or less competitive than it has been since UC joined.

I agree. I can't see it happening. If the Big 10 expands, they will want to get a Notre Dame and while the NYC market would be nice, there are probably already plenty of fans from current Big 10 schools in the area and Rutgers just has not done enough or have the fan base to really make it worthwhile to slice up the pie anymore.

If NYC does not have the Big 10 network (I don't know if they do or not), adding Rutgers likely is not enough to force it to happen. Rutgers keeps dreaming of that, but it really does not make much sense. They have no real football tradition and it seems most New Yorkers could care less about college football, but especially Rutgers. Just don't get it,

I would think it more likely to see the big ten try to poach Syracuse out of the ACC rather than go after Rutgers if they want to expand into the NY market.

(02-23-2012 10:34 AM)CD11 Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 10:11 AM)DelhiBearcat Wrote:  I don't really get how the new Big East is any worse than the old Big East to tell you the truth (with the way it stands now). Boise easily replaces WVU, and Syracuse/Pitt are as mediocre as they come (obviously talking from a football standpoint).

Exactly. People are falling into a classic media-driven trap and focusing on the brand names without looking at the big picture. Boise >> WVU, and a mound of warm turds >>>>>>> Pitt/Cuse. I'm excited to see what Memphis and Temple hoops can do to boon up the hoops, because to be honest, I was much more worried about the dissipation of quality there than I was about the football, which, frankly, was never great to begin with even before all this mess.

I also don't understand the alleged attraction to Louisville. Great facilities? Yes. Large market? No. Successful programs? No, not really. Their football stinks (they live on the "next year!" mantra) and their basketball always disappoints in March. Large fanbase? By BE standards, yes; by Big XII standards, no. Do they make it rain with $$$? Again, by BE standards, absolutely; by Big XII standards, hell no.

They are the top generating college basketball program. So that would be "making it rain" by NCAA Division I standards....
Louisville, $40.9 million
Duke, $28.9 million
Arizona, $21.2 million
North Carolina, $19.7 million
Syracuse, $19 million
Kentucky, $18.6 million
Indiana, $17.8 million
Ohio State, $17 million
Michigan State, $16.5 million
Texas, $16.4 million
Wisconsin, $16.4 million
Marquette, $15.6 million
Illinois, $15.4 million
Arkansas, $14.6 million
Tennessee, $13.8 million
Minnesota, $13.7 million
Pittsburgh, $13.6 million
http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/ne...tball.html

Louisville good fan support, great basketball facility, solid football standium, average market, good football and basketball product. They also bring in a ton of money.

Temple should have been added to the Big East years ago. I still believe that the western football only schools will leave down the line and the Big East will become an Eastern-Midwestern Metro conference.

I thought basketball didn't matter in all of this.

Basketball only matters when someone needs to prove their point....UC is way better off then they were before the Big East...better basketball conference....better football cobference with or w/o L'ville...and on the verge of signing a huge contract with NBC/Comcast that they never would even sniffed at in Conference USA...

(02-23-2012 10:34 AM)CD11 Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 10:11 AM)DelhiBearcat Wrote:  I don't really get how the new Big East is any worse than the old Big East to tell you the truth (with the way it stands now). Boise easily replaces WVU, and Syracuse/Pitt are as mediocre as they come (obviously talking from a football standpoint).

Exactly. People are falling into a classic media-driven trap and focusing on the brand names without looking at the big picture. Boise >> WVU, and a mound of warm turds >>>>>>> Pitt/Cuse. I'm excited to see what Memphis and Temple hoops can do to boon up the hoops, because to be honest, I was much more worried about the dissipation of quality there than I was about the football, which, frankly, was never great to begin with even before all this mess.

I also don't understand the alleged attraction to Louisville. Great facilities? Yes. Large market? No. Successful programs? No, not really. Their football stinks (they live on the "next year!" mantra) and their basketball always disappoints in March. Large fanbase? By BE standards, yes; by Big XII standards, no. Do they make it rain with $$$? Again, by BE standards, absolutely; by Big XII standards, hell no.

Does the mound of warm turds automatically come with WVU or are they also a stand along option?

Temple brings Top 25 basketball with strong tradition. Owl football teams the past two years were better than any they fielded during their previous dismal run in the conference. Of the available programs, they're a good bet in a top five market. I'm sure it's a sad day on Victory Parkway too. The folks at X believe they're an academic and athletic peer of Notre Dame, Georgetown, 'Nova and Marquette. A double whammy as the best team leaves the hapless A-10 and reality hits for X--they will not be invited to the big boy table once again.

(02-23-2012 02:19 PM)indycat Wrote:  Temple brings Top 25 basketball with strong tradition. Owl football teams the past two years were better than any they fielded during their previous dismal run in the conference. Of the available programs, they're a good bet in a top five market. I'm sure it's a sad day on Victory Parkway too. The folks at X believe they're an academic and athletic peer of Notre Dame, Georgetown, 'Nova and Marquette. A double whammy as the best team leaves the hapless A-10 and reality hits for X--they will not be invited to the big boy table once again.

The Owl have yet to beat a MAC team with a winning record after 5 years in the Conference. 0-5 the past 2 seasons. The MAC East has been called the worst division in FBS FB.

Owls did beat UCONN the year they won the Big East on their way to the Fiesta. Golden won enough there to earn the UMiami job; won their bowl game this year. Knowing no other BCS team is leaving to join the Big East, what program is more attractive? NBC Comcast will love that #4 TV market when they bid this fall. Temple/Memphis roundball will keep Big East a top 2-3 basketball league and help secure it as a headliner at Madison Square Garden. What's not to like in the?

People need to realize the Big East was/is in survival mode. They weren't gonna be able to get great football programs to come in. I'm actually suprised they landed Boise. That was huge. We need a couple of these teams to develop exactly like UC has, I feel like SDSU and Houston can do that and those two along with Boise and UC and Louisville depending on if they stay or not can have a pretty solid top half of the conference in football. The football part of this is built on potential. Just keep building. I'd be pretty excited for a UC vs Houston night game at the Nip. Maybe I'm in the minority.

(02-25-2012 12:13 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 02:19 PM)indycat Wrote:  Temple brings Top 25 basketball with strong tradition. Owl football teams the past two years were better than any they fielded during their previous dismal run in the conference. Of the available programs, they're a good bet in a top five market. I'm sure it's a sad day on Victory Parkway too. The folks at X believe they're an academic and athletic peer of Notre Dame, Georgetown, 'Nova and Marquette. A double whammy as the best team leaves the hapless A-10 and reality hits for X--they will not be invited to the big boy table once again.

The Owl have yet to beat a MAC team with a winning record after 5 years in the Conference. 0-5 the past 2 seasons. The MAC East has been called the worst division in FBS FB.

Troll, troll, troll your boat. I know you're butthurt, but you'll get over it

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-on-hold/

Quote: Any chance of Temple potentially accepting an invite as an all-sports member of the Big East can be put on hold — for now.

The school’s Board of Trustees were all set to meet today via teleconference to discuss the future of the athletic program; it’s believed the Owls were prepared, or were very close to deciding, to leave its football home in the MAC (and Atlantic 10 home for all other sports) and joining the Big East to fill the scheduling void left by West Virginia.

If that happens, it all but certainly won’t be announced today. The Temple News reports that the athletics meeting scheduled for 3 p.m. today has been cancelled. Temple’s Vice President of University Communications Ray Betzner didn’t specify a reason to the student newspaper as to why the meeting was nixed, but added the executive committee of the Board of Trustees will meet at 2 p.m. to “discuss contracts.”

If Temple left to join the Big East, it would reportedly have to pay $2 million to the A-10 and at least a $2.5 million to the MAC, according to the paper. With the 2012 season now just six months away, though, it wouldn’t be surprising if there was emphasis put on the “at least” part of that $2.5 million.

“We’re not going to do it if it is a negative,” said the school’s BOT chairman, Patrick J. O’Connor yesterday about the financial implications of moving to the Big East. “If it is a net positive, we’ll do it. We’re not going to spend money to lose money.”

West Virginia will pay $20 million to leave the Big East, and the conference is in dire need of an eighth football member. After some rumors and discussion, it was decided earlier this month that Boise State, set to join the conference in 2013, could not leave the Mountain West a year early and join the Big East right away.

What a mess.

Everything is fine, we're just working out the financial details with the MAC and A10.

come on in Temple....

Trying

I think ir makes sense to let Boise and SD State go and bring in East Carolina and Southern Miss. Since the basketball
is back on solid ground with Temple and Memphis, the geographic footprint of the league works better without the
western teams...

(03-03-2012 03:05 PM)KCat Wrote:  I think ir makes sense to let Boise and SD State go and bring in East Carolina and Southern Miss. Since the basketball
is back on solid ground with Temple and Memphis, the geographic footprint of the league works better without the
western teams...

Really? No Boise State, instead East Carolina?