(02-23-2012 10:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 10:22 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 08:29 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  The reports I have read say Temple might have to pay $5 million to pull out immediately, That is a big hunk of change.

I believe that WVU's exit penalty should be the starting point. If they had stayed their contractually amount of time their buyout would have been $5 mil. Since they accelerated it the amount is now $20 mil, or 4x the amount in their agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if the MAC started there at least, who knows what they would actually get?

Temple and the BE are the ones over a barrel at this point. The BE needs this done yesterday to fill their FB schedules. This is my guess why they are negotiating with Temple. If Boise said yes to an early exit none of this would be happening.

Who will be first to put a "price" on Temple? How about 5M? What Temple is 'worth' to the MAC.

BTW, any chance the move and buyout will still fail?

There has been very little concrete information from the parties involved. My guess is that the FB members are fine with Temple but they still have to get past the Nova objection, if it's still there. I could see ECU being thrust up as a last second FB replacement.

(02-23-2012 11:12 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 10:42 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 10:36 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 10:22 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 08:29 AM)Rocket75 Wrote:  The reports I have read say Temple might have to pay $5 million to pull out immediately, That is a big hunk of change.

I believe that WVU's exit penalty should be the starting point. If they had stayed their contractually amount of time their buyout would have been $5 mil. Since they accelerated it the amount is now $20 mil, or 4x the amount in their agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if the MAC started there at least, who knows what they would actually get?

Temple and the BE are the ones over a barrel at this point. The BE needs this done yesterday to fill their FB schedules. This is my guess why they are negotiating with Temple. If Boise said yes to an early exit none of this would be happening.

Who will be first to put a "price" on Temple? How about 5M? What Temple is 'worth' to the MAC.

BTW, any chance the move and buyout will still fail?

I thin 4* the buyout is fair. All the schedules have to be redone, seasons tickets need to be reprinted (I think some are ready to go)...

And the Big East itself seems to think 4 times the buyout is worth it.

This is the big thing to me. The BE would be hypocritical to demand that from a departing member but turn around and say it is too much for Temple. The only hitch I see is that they are football only members for the MAC (which someone already pointed out).

4 x sounds fair.

WVU pays 4 x a greater base amount as they are all-sports and BE.

The Temple base amount (2.5M) reflects FB only and MAC.

I like these early exit penalties.

(02-23-2012 11:14 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I wonder if the MAC tries 'to kill' Temple's move by asking for say 10M?

I doubt the MAC is petty and tries to kill the move. But I don't think starting at a high figure like 10M is being petty, it's negotiating.

(02-23-2012 11:27 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 11:14 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I wonder if the MAC tries 'to kill' Temple's move by asking for say 10M?

I doubt the MAC is petty and tries to kill the move. But I don't think starting at a high figure like 10M is being petty, it's negotiating.

I agree.

Temple will 'low ball' at say 2.5M and the MAC will start at 10M.

Let the negotiations begin.

There are now established examples of these negotiated buy outs to use as a framework in negotiations.

(02-23-2012 11:33 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 11:27 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 11:14 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I wonder if the MAC tries 'to kill' Temple's move by asking for say 10M?

I doubt the MAC is petty and tries to kill the move. But I don't think starting at a high figure like 10M is being petty, it's negotiating.

I agree.

Temple will 'low ball' at say 2.5M and the MAC will start at 10M.

Let the negotiations begin.

There are now established examples of these negotiated buy outs to use as a framework in negotiations.

There are lots of ways to negotiate this. I'd be surprised to see $10M.

But, I'd like to see some guaranteed games, not just w/ Temple, but w/ the BE.

As others have stated if Boise could come early (or anybody else but Boise was mentioned), then none of this would be happening at least for this season. Boise sounded interested but in the end said it didn't make fiscal sense as the Big East was not gonna help them pay their MWC buyout. If they wouldn't help Boise, why would they help Temple? I think Boise's number was somewhere around $8.5 Million.

Temple buyout to MAC is $2.5 Million with 2 years notice and $2 Million to A-10 with one years notice. Thats $4.5 Million right there. If they leave early it would certainly at least be $8.5 Million or above which is what the Big East wouldn't help Boise with and Boise turned down. What will Temple do? I understand that the Big East needs another team, but if they HAVE to start helping pay the exit fees, Boise might just be the cheaper alternative (or Memphis).

I think Temple really wants in the Big East though and will come up with any figure they need to. I just think that 5 months until the season starts that this will really put a wrench in scheduling and that the MAC needs to not go easy on the exit fee so the schools involved in the scheduling mess will get compensated. At the very least they will have to scramble to find FCS teams to fill the schedule and that costs money.

What the A-10 demands also plays into this. I could see a scenario where Temple goes to Big East for football only for 2012 and remains in the A-10 and then at a later date in 2013 or when Navy joins they become all-sports.

I think MAC & A-10 are gonna work with BE and take extra games.
MAC might lose B-10 games & would need them replaced.
Temple is giving up alot BB money to A-10

(02-23-2012 12:52 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I think MAC & A-10 are gonna work with BE and take extra games.
MAC might lose B-10 games & would need them replaced.
Temple is giving up alot BB money to A-10

Lord I hope not... No way, no how are games against the Big East worth it. It's not like MAC teams have had trouble scheduling them..

(02-23-2012 12:13 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 11:33 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 11:27 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 11:14 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I wonder if the MAC tries 'to kill' Temple's move by asking for say 10M?

I doubt the MAC is petty and tries to kill the move. But I don't think starting at a high figure like 10M is being petty, it's negotiating.

I agree.

Temple will 'low ball' at say 2.5M and the MAC will start at 10M.

Let the negotiations begin.

There are now established examples of these negotiated buy outs to use as a framework in negotiations.

There are lots of ways to negotiate this. I'd be surprised to see $10M.

But, I'd like to see some guaranteed games, not just w/ Temple, but w/ the BE.

10M is a starting point, I'd think, working down, and yes, I agree, the package will be much more then $.

Maybe some 1:1 football series? Say one per year for six year?

Some hoop games at MAC schools each year.

why would MAC need FCS games, MAC would still have 8 conf games
who has season tickets printed, SCH has not been released

(02-23-2012 12:40 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  As others have stated if Boise could come early (or anybody else but Boise was mentioned), then none of this would be happening at least for this season. Boise sounded interested but in the end said it didn't make fiscal sense as the Big East was not gonna help them pay their MWC buyout. If they wouldn't help Boise, why would they help Temple?

One word: basketball

Temple has it, Boise doesn't plus, Boise is football only, Temple would be all sports

(02-23-2012 01:11 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  why would MAC need FCS games, MAC would still have 8 conf games
who has season tickets printed, SCH has not been released

MAC would need to redo the ENTIRE conference schedule or let the 8 teams scheduled to face Temple scramble for another game outside the conference and even outside FBS.

E.g., I'd have no trouble with EMU picking up a 2nd FCS opponent.

BTW, maybe each of the 8 teams who are scheduled to face Temple might be a few $ to compensate for their scheduling costs???

I would NOT be disappointed if TU to BE fails and they stay as they are today and BE goes on with its original plans.

(02-23-2012 01:05 PM)emu steve Wrote:  10M is a starting point, I'd think, working down, and yes, I agree, the package will be much more then $.

Maybe some 1:1 football series? Say one per year for six year?

That's pretty low. We already get a few BE teams.
I'd like to see L'ville at NIU or BG. I'd like to see UConn at Toledo.

Let's keep them interesting though. USF for the sake of a game is not a big deal. Won't intrigue fans. Find ways that everyone benefits.

Quote:Some hoop games at MAC schools each year.

This is the big deal. How about Notre Dame women at BG and Toledo? How about UConn Women at BG?

That's not really a knock for the BE. Those are good games that may favor the MAC but don't hurt the BE.

new sch are proabblly already worked out
say it took the guy a week, 1,000 bucks, billable to BE 300,000.
Who in thier right mind thinks MAC stay at 7 conf games & bring in FCS

(02-23-2012 01:21 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I would NOT be disappointed if TU to BE fails and they stay as they are today and BE goes on with its original plans.

I would. I think everyone can benefit from this. Let's see it.

(02-23-2012 01:29 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  [quote='emu steve' pid='7594460' dateline='1330020323']

Maybe some 1:1 football series? Say one per year for six year?

How does this help? USF is coming to Ball State, UConn is coming to WMU, Cincinnati is coming to Toledo all THIS year. and Cincinnati comes to Miami every other year. We don't have a problem getting Big East schools to our stadiums. Any scheduling compensation is not really compensation because we have no problem getting them to come. I'd be disappointed in that kind of agreement.

I was just told by our AAD...

"The conference office is still telling us that we will have our full schedule the first week in March."

like I said, take them week to redo sch

We already know how to schedule for 13 teams. It's not like we're figuring it out from scratch.

Nobody is is saying we can't do the mechanics of changing the schedule, just that when they do, it's a worse schedule than the one with 14 teams. Of course all the teams will have full schedules. That is not the point. The point is that it's a schedule the MAC does not desire and was contracted not to have.

I have no problem with Temple moving on. It's a good deal for them. Fortunately for us, the BE set the market value for buying out a team leaving before the contract time allows: 4x the contracted buyout for early release, which is what they will receive from the Big 12/WVU. The question for Temple will be, how much is it worth it to them to leave for 2012? Will they want to meet that price and will the BE kick in some of that Big XII money to help? I'm guessing they will. Temple will make the money back eventually, and it will prove a benefit for them to be in the BE.

Maybe the price will be too high, and they will have to wait a year. No one knows yet.