Paterno fired Sandusky in 1999 for being pedaphile
Janitors reported it to supervisors & went no futher because they were job sacred
why can't PSU recurit Pa anymore, because high school coaches knew
what the hell happened to the DA, that would really be ugly
BOT, Adminsraters, Athletic dept particapted in coverup
Paterno was atop of food chain, he's up to his neck in this slime

Paterno did great job in his life, he drove down the field buitifully
when he got to the end zone, he FUMBLED

(01-24-2012 12:38 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Paterno fired Sandusky in 1999 for being pedaphile
Janitors reported it to supervisors & went no futher because they were job sacred
why can't PSU recurit Pa anymore, because high school coaches knew
what the hell happened to the DA, that would really be ugly
BOT, Adminsraters, Athletic dept particapted in coverup
Paterno was atop of food chain, he's up to his neck in this slime

Paterno did great job in his life, he drove down the field buitifully
when he got to the end zone, he FUMBLED

People don't understand that. The way I see it, people who want to praise Joe Paterno are in favor of football over stopping child rape. Since Conaire did not answer my question about child rape in his law firm, I can only assume that he would allow it as long as his company kept strong. Pretty disgusting, but I suppose that is the world we live in.

(01-24-2012 09:34 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 12:38 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Paterno fired Sandusky in 1999 for being pedaphile
Janitors reported it to supervisors & went no futher because they were job sacred
why can't PSU recurit Pa anymore, because high school coaches knew
what the hell happened to the DA, that would really be ugly
BOT, Adminsraters, Athletic dept particapted in coverup
Paterno was atop of food chain, he's up to his neck in this slime

Paterno did great job in his life, he drove down the field buitifully
when he got to the end zone, he FUMBLED

People don't understand that. The way I see it, people who want to praise Joe Paterno are in favor of football over stopping child rape. Since Conaire did not answer my question about child rape in his law firm, I can only assume that he would allow it as long as his company kept strong. Pretty disgusting, but I suppose that is the world we live in.

You are embarrassing and not worthy of a response

(01-24-2012 10:23 PM)conaire Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 09:34 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 12:38 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Paterno fired Sandusky in 1999 for being pedaphile
Janitors reported it to supervisors & went no futher because they were job sacred
why can't PSU recurit Pa anymore, because high school coaches knew
what the hell happened to the DA, that would really be ugly
BOT, Adminsraters, Athletic dept particapted in coverup
Paterno was atop of food chain, he's up to his neck in this slime

Paterno did great job in his life, he drove down the field buitifully
when he got to the end zone, he FUMBLED

People don't understand that. The way I see it, people who want to praise Joe Paterno are in favor of football over stopping child rape. Since Conaire did not answer my question about child rape in his law firm, I can only assume that he would allow it as long as his company kept strong. Pretty disgusting, but I suppose that is the world we live in.

You are embarrassing and not worthy of a response

^^^ Disgusting

BUMP----- Interesting information coming out in the past couple weeks. Still Joe Pa supporters out there?

His football accomplishments speak for themselves, but unfortunately for the victims, when the time came to do something to save many young boys from a creep of the highest order, Joe failed miserably, apparently because his #1 focus was on his legacy and his program. That will be his legacy.

Think what his legacy would have been had he acted appropriately in dealing with the pedophile who was his right-hand man for many years. He could have been the hero his many diehard fans still insist he is. It's sad, but the biggest tragedy is not Joe Paterno's and Penn State football's legacy being forever tarnished. It's the dozens of boys whose lives were damaged when adults knew and did nothing.

I wish the best for Paterno's family. That having been said, I hope this fiasco costs Penn State MILLIONS!!!

(07-12-2012 05:26 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  I wish the best for Paterno's family. That having been said, I hope this fiasco costs Penn State MILLIONS!!!

I think Paterno's family will be fine. His wife is collecting a ton of money in Joe Pa's pension.

(01-22-2012 02:39 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Out of respect for still fresh and tragic news I don't want this thread to spin out of control, but we don't know of him not knowing of the priors. The timing of the 1st case and Joepa calling in Sandusky and telling him to retire while widely considered a mastermind and in his coaching prime says otherwise. At the very latest Joe found out about Sandusky back in 2009 and then when the Grand Jury started the latest case and Joe testified, yet he still hung on to his position and didn't think enough to retire before we all found out. He could have stepped down 2 offseasons ago if he truly felt how he said he felt after the rest of the world found out. He was stubborn and hung on there, hoping to last long enough for the record I presume. His stubborness is what helped make the BOTs decision all that much easier. They said they were obviously disappointed in his failure to see things through with the allegations, but also embarrassed he was leading the "we are Penn State" cheers on his front long with 1000s of people. The final straw was his passive aggressive powerplay of dictating to the BOT that they need not worry about him he'll step down when he found appropriate...they thought he was in no position to make any such claims and make their own minds up. They did not fire him, he was "relieved of duties" and continued his employment as the tenured professor he was. It truly is sad it all came down to this, he could of and should stepped aside on his own terms and enjoyed some of his golden years with family.

His family will need those millions to settle the civil suits. I just wish Scott, Jay and the rest of them quit coming with statements and supposed letters written by their Dad supposedly prior to him dying. From 1998 through November 5, 2011 they had plenty of time to speak regarding the case. The program was more important as was JoePa's quest for the win record than all of the victims that were victimized after they became aware.

Moe, Larry and Curly are going to jail and if the old man didn't pass away it would be pretty awkward seeing him go to, but he would.

(07-12-2012 06:06 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  His family will need those millions to settle the civil suits. I just wish Scott, Jay and the rest of them quit coming with statements and supposed letters written by their Dad supposedly prior to him dying. From 1998 through November 5, 2011 they had plenty of time to speak regarding the case. The program was more important as was JoePa's quest for the win record than all of the victims that were victimized after they became aware.

Moe, Larry and Curly are going to jail and if the old man didn't pass away it would be pretty awkward seeing him go to, but he would.

Civil suits? against who? his widow?

His estate is gone and at the time of his death he committed not a crime so tell me:

Would you like the be the lawyer to drag a 72 year old widow who recently lost her husband of 50 years in front of a court to demand she turn over money?

(07-12-2012 01:15 PM)axeme Wrote:  His football accomplishments speak for themselves, but unfortunately for the victims, when the time came to do something to save many young boys from a creep of the highest order, Joe failed miserably, apparently because his #1 focus was on his legacy and his program. That will be his legacy.

Think what his legacy would have been had he acted appropriately in dealing with the pedophile who was his right-hand man for many years. He could have been the hero his many diehard fans still insist he is. It's sad, but the biggest tragedy is not Joe Paterno's and Penn State football's legacy being forever tarnished. It's the dozens of boys whose lives were damaged when adults knew and did nothing.

Friend mentioned something similar tonight. He asked: "What would have happened if Joe Pa just picked up the phone and called the police? Big local story, but little lasting national attention. Now, it’s his legacy."

(07-12-2012 06:30 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Civil suits? against who? his widow?

His estate is gone and at the time of his death he committed not a crime so tell me:

Would you like the be the lawyer to drag a 72 year old widow who recently lost her husband of 50 years in front of a court to demand she turn over money?

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8164487

Paterno family spokesman Dan McGinn declined to comment on the criminal legal issues on Friday.

At the very least, the Freeh report provides powerful ammunition to Sandusky victims looking to sue the university or Paterno's estate.

On the civil side, Paterno's role in the scandal could expose his estate to liability, said Altoona lawyer Richard Serbin, who has pursued lawsuits against the Roman Catholic Church and other institutions in Pennsylvania for the past 25 years. Paterno was considerably wealthy; he and his wife donated millions to the university, and in April the school paid millions in retirement benefits to his family and estate.

"When a responsible party passes away, that does not mean to say their wrongful conduct is excused by death," said Serbin, who does not represent any of Sandusky's victims. "Their estate becomes the representative of that person, and assets of their estate ... remain exposed to any verdict or judgment."

I would bet there are lawyers that would want to take the case. Money to be made means lawyers will try.

(07-13-2012 09:52 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  On the civil side, Paterno's role in the scandal could expose his estate to liability, said Altoona lawyer Richard Serbin, who has pursued lawsuits against the Roman Catholic Church and other institutions in Pennsylvania for the past 25 years. Paterno was considerably wealthy; he and his wife donated millions to the university, and in April the school paid millions in retirement benefits to his family and estate.

"When a responsible party passes away, that does not mean to say their wrongful conduct is excused by death," said Serbin, who does not represent any of Sandusky's victims. "Their estate becomes the representative of that person, and assets of their estate ... remain exposed to any verdict or judgment."

Yea good luck with that... The problem is that any joint assets with his wife, his retirement, and insurance are not legally part of Paterno's estate..

Soooo

If her name was on the mortgage, bank accounts, and other assets she gets them by operation of law! They are now solely hers, there ceased being Paterno's in any legal sense the moment he died.

That and suing a widow who had *nothing* to do with the crime is so skeevy that I don't think you'll see it happen, and if it does it won't win.

Now PSU may have to worry, as a legal entity it does not matter who they hire and fire, who dies and who does not.

Dear Friends,
To take a different look into this situation, I think Pennsylvania State deserves the death penalty from the NCAA. Many of you will argue that there have to be recruiting violations, such as paying players for the penalty to be served. Isn't that based on ethical and moral conduct? What greater violation of ethics and morals could one have? The whole football program for the last fifteen years was based on deceit, cover-up, lying, etc. for the betterment of the program. If, you ask me, you couldn't have greater unethical violations. Death penalty should be given.

I seem to remember hearing last Fall (before he died) Paterno's house had been put in wife's name.

And, no, Barna, NCAA can not give out "Death Penalty" just because they were bad people who covered up heinous acts by a former employee and in your zealotry you wish it so.

Dear MajorHoople,
There is no zealotry involved here. I am offering a position, that may not have come up before, (probably hasn't) and may be something that the NCAA may have to take a look at. Just because it doesn't jive with current practices, doesn't mean it should be discarded out of hand. Examples like this are how laws, rules, and regulations continually evolve.

(07-14-2012 11:53 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  I seem to remember hearing last Fall (before he died) Paterno's house had been put in wife's name.

And, no, Barna, NCAA can not give out "Death Penalty" just because they were bad people who covered up heinous acts by a former employee and in your zealotry you wish it so.

Well it would not matter if the house was in her name, or in their name, once Joe-Pa died. My house is in both our names and if I pass tomorrow it will not be part of my estate, it will become my wife's asset.

Now if Paterno was alive then this is a different story..

As to the death penalty I believe "lack of institutional control" applies here. Is it worthy of a death penalty? Well I don't know enough to say that but clearly PSU could be sanctioned for this.