(01-24-2012 10:54 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:36 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:21 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:15 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:14 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Congratulations on being ranked 190 (when only 120 teams play in your division).

Congratulations on making only your third bowl in the last 10 years.

Dude. I'm ready for this to die. After next year, Tech will say we've been to 5 bowls in the last 12 years and Memphis will say the same thing. But we will be able to say we've been to 14 bowls in the past 41 years and you will still be stuck at your 5. Memphis sucks in football. Good basketball program though.

No one cares about your Division II bowls.

And it is mathematically impossible for Tech to go to 5 bowls in the last 12 years considering you've only been to three in the last 10.

You suck in football. You suck in basketball. You just suck period.

OK. Then we moved to Division I in 1975. We've been to 6 bowls since then. Memphis has been in Division I since 1912 and has been to 6 bowl games since then.

So Tech goes to a bowl game once every 6 years. Memphis goes to a bowl game once every 16.5 years.

And in the last 10 years Memphis has been to 2 bowls more than La Tech.

(01-24-2012 10:47 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 07:17 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  No. He was presenting Tech's winning percentage, to show that Tech is not CUSA-worthy. I was countering to show how bad CUSA football is. Tech's winning percentage is still middle of the pack in CUSA, and twice as good as the other schools being discussed (and their winning percentage is never discussed).

Fine, you're in the middle of the pack. If you're in the middle of the pack, you need to bring more - market (i.e. revenue to the league), excellence in other sports, financial backing to show that you can get the rest together. You don't. We could get ULL, Ark State, W Ky or FIU from the sunbelt and they would bring competent football teams too. Tulane, Memphis and UAB can put bowl teams out there when they get good coaches anyway, just like the rest, and have a lot more money (at least Tulane and Memphis do by a massive margin - it's hard to tell with UAB with UAT down their throats).
You may get the call - you're square in the middle of C-USA geographically and it's for sure that Tech wants this. These are tough decisions for the presidents.

I don't think ULL, Ark St, FIU, or WKU has proven they can be a middle of the pack CUSA team. These are 4 of the worst programs in the country over the past 20 years. (WKU was a good FCS team though and seems to be improving at the FBS level).

(01-24-2012 11:01 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:54 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:36 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:21 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:15 AM)PATiger Wrote:  Congratulations on making only your third bowl in the last 10 years.

Dude. I'm ready for this to die. After next year, Tech will say we've been to 5 bowls in the last 12 years and Memphis will say the same thing. But we will be able to say we've been to 14 bowls in the past 41 years and you will still be stuck at your 5. Memphis sucks in football. Good basketball program though.

No one cares about your Division II bowls.

And it is mathematically impossible for Tech to go to 5 bowls in the last 12 years considering you've only been to three in the last 10.

You suck in football. You suck in basketball. You just suck period.

OK. Then we moved to Division I in 1975. We've been to 6 bowls since then. Memphis has been in Division I since 1912 and has been to 6 bowl games since then.

So Tech goes to a bowl game once every 6 years. Memphis goes to a bowl game once every 16.5 years.

And in the last 10 years Memphis has been to 2 bowls more than La Tech.

Tech has been to twice as many bowls as Memphis in the past 4 years.

(01-24-2012 11:03 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:01 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:54 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:36 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:21 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Dude. I'm ready for this to die. After next year, Tech will say we've been to 5 bowls in the last 12 years and Memphis will say the same thing. But we will be able to say we've been to 14 bowls in the past 41 years and you will still be stuck at your 5. Memphis sucks in football. Good basketball program though.

No one cares about your Division II bowls.

And it is mathematically impossible for Tech to go to 5 bowls in the last 12 years considering you've only been to three in the last 10.

You suck in football. You suck in basketball. You just suck period.

OK. Then we moved to Division I in 1975. We've been to 6 bowls since then. Memphis has been in Division I since 1912 and has been to 6 bowl games since then.

So Tech goes to a bowl game once every 6 years. Memphis goes to a bowl game once every 16.5 years.

And in the last 10 years Memphis has been to 2 bowls more than La Tech.

Tech has been to twice as many bowls as Memphis in the past 4 years.

Memphis has been to more NCAA tournaments last year than La Tech has in the last twenty years.

(01-24-2012 11:16 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:03 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:01 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:54 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:36 AM)PATiger Wrote:  No one cares about your Division II bowls.

And it is mathematically impossible for Tech to go to 5 bowls in the last 12 years considering you've only been to three in the last 10.

You suck in football. You suck in basketball. You just suck period.

OK. Then we moved to Division I in 1975. We've been to 6 bowls since then. Memphis has been in Division I since 1912 and has been to 6 bowl games since then.

So Tech goes to a bowl game once every 6 years. Memphis goes to a bowl game once every 16.5 years.

And in the last 10 years Memphis has been to 2 bowls more than La Tech.

Tech has been to twice as many bowls as Memphis in the past 4 years.

Memphis has been to more NCAA tournaments last year than La Tech has in the last twenty years.

Memphis has a much better basketball program than Tech. I would never argue that. But Tech has a better football program than Memphis and you refuse to comprehend that.

(01-24-2012 11:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:16 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:03 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:01 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:54 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  OK. Then we moved to Division I in 1975. We've been to 6 bowls since then. Memphis has been in Division I since 1912 and has been to 6 bowl games since then.

So Tech goes to a bowl game once every 6 years. Memphis goes to a bowl game once every 16.5 years.

And in the last 10 years Memphis has been to 2 bowls more than La Tech.

Tech has been to twice as many bowls as Memphis in the past 4 years.

Memphis has been to more NCAA tournaments last year than La Tech has in the last twenty years.

Memphis has a much better basketball program than Tech. I would never argue that. But Tech has a better football program than Memphis and you refuse to comprehend that.

Because it's not true, small change. One fluke year doesn't impress me.

(01-24-2012 12:29 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:16 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:03 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:01 AM)PATiger Wrote:  And in the last 10 years Memphis has been to 2 bowls more than La Tech.

Tech has been to twice as many bowls as Memphis in the past 4 years.

Memphis has been to more NCAA tournaments last year than La Tech has in the last twenty years.

Memphis has a much better basketball program than Tech. I would never argue that. But Tech has a better football program than Memphis and you refuse to comprehend that.

Because it's not true, small change. One fluke year doesn't impress me.

It is true, and I have proven it to you time and time again but you continue to refuse to believe the facts.

(01-24-2012 01:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 12:29 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:16 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:03 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Tech has been to twice as many bowls as Memphis in the past 4 years.

Memphis has been to more NCAA tournaments last year than La Tech has in the last twenty years.

Memphis has a much better basketball program than Tech. I would never argue that. But Tech has a better football program than Memphis and you refuse to comprehend that.

Because it's not true, small change. One fluke year doesn't impress me.

It is true, and I have proven it to you time and time again but you continue to refuse to believe the facts.

No, you make up random silliness.

(01-24-2012 01:15 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 12:29 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:16 AM)PATiger Wrote:  Memphis has been to more NCAA tournaments last year than La Tech has in the last twenty years.

Memphis has a much better basketball program than Tech. I would never argue that. But Tech has a better football program than Memphis and you refuse to comprehend that.

Because it's not true, small change. One fluke year doesn't impress me.

It is true, and I have proven it to you time and time again but you continue to refuse to believe the facts.

No, you make up random silliness.

What should the criteria be then? Championships? Winning percentage? Head to head? Bowl games? Sagarin ratings?

I have shown you all of this. Tech wins all but head to head and we are tied 5-5 there.

(01-24-2012 01:23 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:15 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 12:29 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 11:18 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Memphis has a much better basketball program than Tech. I would never argue that. But Tech has a better football program than Memphis and you refuse to comprehend that.

Because it's not true, small change. One fluke year doesn't impress me.

It is true, and I have proven it to you time and time again but you continue to refuse to believe the facts.

No, you make up random silliness.

What should the criteria be then? Championships? Winning percentage? Head to head? Bowl games? Sagarin ratings?

I have shown you all of this. Tech wins all but head to head and we are tied 5-5 there.

And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

(01-24-2012 02:09 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:23 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:15 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 12:29 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Because it's not true, small change. One fluke year doesn't impress me.

It is true, and I have proven it to you time and time again but you continue to refuse to believe the facts.

No, you make up random silliness.

What should the criteria be then? Championships? Winning percentage? Head to head? Bowl games? Sagarin ratings?

I have shown you all of this. Tech wins all but head to head and we are tied 5-5 there.

And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

(01-24-2012 02:24 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:09 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:23 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:15 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  It is true, and I have proven it to you time and time again but you continue to refuse to believe the facts.

No, you make up random silliness.

What should the criteria be then? Championships? Winning percentage? Head to head? Bowl games? Sagarin ratings?

I have shown you all of this. Tech wins all but head to head and we are tied 5-5 there.

And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

(01-24-2012 02:33 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:24 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:09 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:23 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:15 PM)PATiger Wrote:  No, you make up random silliness.

What should the criteria be then? Championships? Winning percentage? Head to head? Bowl games? Sagarin ratings?

I have shown you all of this. Tech wins all but head to head and we are tied 5-5 there.

And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

(01-24-2012 02:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:33 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:24 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:09 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:23 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  What should the criteria be then? Championships? Winning percentage? Head to head? Bowl games? Sagarin ratings?

I have shown you all of this. Tech wins all but head to head and we are tied 5-5 there.

And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

Going 8-5 in the WAC will never....I repeat NEVER, get you into the top 25....You won't even get a single vote for the top 25...

(01-24-2012 02:57 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:33 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:24 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:09 PM)PATiger Wrote:  And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

Going 8-5 in the WAC will never....I repeat NEVER, get you into the top 25....You won't even get a single vote for the top 25...

8-5 was last year, and we got a few votes before the bowl game when we were 8-4. But we lost by 7 pts to #16 and nobody voted for us in the final poll. We are looking at a possible 12-0 next year. The toughest games we will play are against Illinois, Virginia, and Houston. If lose all 3 of those, we won't deserve to be in the Top 25 because the rest of our schedule is crap.

(01-24-2012 02:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:33 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:24 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:09 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 01:23 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  What should the criteria be then? Championships? Winning percentage? Head to head? Bowl games? Sagarin ratings?

I have shown you all of this. Tech wins all but head to head and we are tied 5-5 there.

And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

we beat Tulane and AP...so we're not the worst...in fact, we finished #11 in CUSA (not that it's a good thing...but not last)

(01-24-2012 03:05 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:57 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:33 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:24 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

Going 8-5 in the WAC will never....I repeat NEVER, get you into the top 25....You won't even get a single vote for the top 25...

8-5 was last year, and we got a few votes before the bowl game when we were 8-4. But we lost by 7 pts to #16 and nobody voted for us in the final poll. We are looking at a possible 12-0 next year. The toughest games we will play are against Illinois, Virginia, and Houston. If lose all 3 of those, we won't deserve to be in the Top 25 because the rest of our schedule is crap.

keep telling yourself that...

(01-24-2012 03:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:33 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:24 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:09 PM)PATiger Wrote:  And we're a charter member of CUSA and you're stuck in the WhACk.

So? We'd still beat you by 40. How is that? Poor leadership at Memphis? No talent in Tennessee? Good players don't like Memphis?

If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

we beat Tulane and AP...so we're not the worst...in fact, we finished #11 in CUSA (not that it's a good thing...but not last)

I was really talking about the worst FBS school. But looking at the Sagarin Ratings, surprisingly there were a couple of FBS schools worse than Memphis:

200. Florida Atlantic
202. Akron

(01-24-2012 03:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 03:05 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:57 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:33 PM)PATiger Wrote:  If Memphis and LT played 10 times over the next 10 years, Memphis would win at least 7 of them.

How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

Going 8-5 in the WAC will never....I repeat NEVER, get you into the top 25....You won't even get a single vote for the top 25...

8-5 was last year, and we got a few votes before the bowl game when we were 8-4. But we lost by 7 pts to #16 and nobody voted for us in the final poll. We are looking at a possible 12-0 next year. The toughest games we will play are against Illinois, Virginia, and Houston. If lose all 3 of those, we won't deserve to be in the Top 25 because the rest of our schedule is crap.

keep telling yourself that...

Going by the CFN 2012 preseason rankings, we will have a shot:

38. Illinois
40. LA TECH
41. Virginia
66. Utah St
72. Houston
88. Rice
99. San Jose St
108. Idaho
109. NM State
113. UNLV
123. Texas St
124. UTSA
FCS- Lamar

* But there has been some recent talks about possibly replacing Lamar with Oklahoma next year. That would most certainly be a loss.

(01-24-2012 03:47 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 03:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 03:05 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:57 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:48 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  How can you say that? You have a brand new coach who has never been a head coach and is inheriting the worst program in the nation. We are playing really well and getting better and about to crack the Top 25. It's going to take Memphis a couple of years just to get back on its feet. I think it can be done, but there is no guarantee of that.

Going 8-5 in the WAC will never....I repeat NEVER, get you into the top 25....You won't even get a single vote for the top 25...

8-5 was last year, and we got a few votes before the bowl game when we were 8-4. But we lost by 7 pts to #16 and nobody voted for us in the final poll. We are looking at a possible 12-0 next year. The toughest games we will play are against Illinois, Virginia, and Houston. If lose all 3 of those, we won't deserve to be in the Top 25 because the rest of our schedule is crap.

keep telling yourself that...

Going by the CFN 2012 preseason rankings, we will have a shot:

38. Illinois
40. LA TECH
41. Virginia
66. Utah St
72. Houston
88. Rice
99. San Jose St
108. Idaho
109. NM State
113. UNLV
123. Texas St
124. UTSA
FCS- Lamar

* But there has been some recent talks about possibly replacing Lamar with Oklahoma next year. That would most certainly be a loss.

well, actually everybody has a shot at 12-0 since the season hasn't started...even Memphis ;-)