(07-05-2011 08:31 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:24 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Interesting little tid-bit.

In 2009 Houston swept through their OOC schedule. It consisted of games @#5 Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and @MS State. But they lost 2 games in C-USA including the C-USA Title. C-USA has better competition. This season proves it.

PS: AFA did beat UH in the bowl that year so don't question me about facts if you knew.

What facts did I question you on about AFA beating Houston? AFA won, they were in the better conf. it happens. Houston beat teams that were in a better conf than them, it happens.

You're ignoring the main part of my statement.

(07-05-2011 08:33 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:31 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:24 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Interesting little tid-bit.

In 2009 Houston swept through their OOC schedule. It consisted of games @#5 Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and @MS State. But they lost 2 games in C-USA including the C-USA Title. C-USA has better competition. This season proves it.

PS: AFA did beat UH in the bowl that year so don't question me about facts if you knew.

What facts did I question you on about AFA beating Houston? AFA won, they were in the better conf. it happens. Houston beat teams that were in a better conf than them, it happens.

You're ignoring the main part of my statement.

That Houston was better than Air Force? But lost even though they beat Big 12 schools. However I just question your undefeated = automatic BCS game.

(07-05-2011 08:32 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Well Ball State lost in the MAC championship game but they weren't going to a BCS bowl anyway. Though I do agree you need to do more than just go undefeated. For one you need to have nobody ahead of you undefeated from a non-AQ conference and other stuff like that. Some of it is up to the team others don't which is why it is not easy.

Right at 12-0 even if they won would not have got a BCS game. Tulane didn't get one either. Say Boise and Houston both were in the top 12 this year and were 12-0. The BCS only has to take 1. They chose to take both the year BSU and TCU played but didn't have to. Does anyone think a 12-0 Troy team will get in the BCS? I don't

(07-05-2011 08:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:33 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:31 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:24 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Interesting little tid-bit.

In 2009 Houston swept through their OOC schedule. It consisted of games @#5 Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and @MS State. But they lost 2 games in C-USA including the C-USA Title. C-USA has better competition. This season proves it.

PS: AFA did beat UH in the bowl that year so don't question me about facts if you knew.

What facts did I question you on about AFA beating Houston? AFA won, they were in the better conf. it happens. Houston beat teams that were in a better conf than them, it happens.

You're ignoring the main part of my statement.

That Houston was better than Air Force? But lost even though they beat Big 12 schools. However I just question your undefeated = automatic BCS game.

AFA was in a better conference at the time, not any more.

PS: Sorry to interrupt the smack, but please beat the hell out of Ole Miss in Fresno this year.

Yea they only need to take one (assuming there is one to take) and so far it has always been a MWC or WAC team. Will that change we will see. Going undefeated is step 1. If Kent State went undefeated this year in football (by the way not happening) then we would need a whole lot of fortunate events to happen for us to go. Likely there would need to be no non-AQ teams ahead us and further a lot of teams would need to lose games since even undefeated KSU would not be ranked highly unless higher ranked teams lose often. To our benefit this has happened more often recently but you can't just expect it to happen.

(07-05-2011 08:41 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:33 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:31 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:24 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Interesting little tid-bit.

In 2009 Houston swept through their OOC schedule. It consisted of games @#5 Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and @MS State. But they lost 2 games in C-USA including the C-USA Title. C-USA has better competition. This season proves it.

PS: AFA did beat UH in the bowl that year so don't question me about facts if you knew.

What facts did I question you on about AFA beating Houston? AFA won, they were in the better conf. it happens. Houston beat teams that were in a better conf than them, it happens.

You're ignoring the main part of my statement.

That Houston was better than Air Force? But lost even though they beat Big 12 schools. However I just question your undefeated = automatic BCS game.

AFA was in a better conference at the time, not any more.

PS: Sorry to interrupt the smack, but please beat the hell out of Ole Miss in Fresno this year.

See, now this is the talk that all of us should be doing. If it was up to me I'd love Houston and SMU in the MWC. I'd take UTEP and SMU. I don't hate any of the schools. I've liked ECU since Jeff Blake and the comeback against NC St. in the Bowl game was also pissed about their taunting call in that BS loss to Illinois. S.Miss produced the guy that got my team a Super Bowl win oh and beat Alabama too.

(07-05-2011 08:45 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:41 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:33 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:31 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  What facts did I question you on about AFA beating Houston? AFA won, they were in the better conf. it happens. Houston beat teams that were in a better conf than them, it happens.

You're ignoring the main part of my statement.

That Houston was better than Air Force? But lost even though they beat Big 12 schools. However I just question your undefeated = automatic BCS game.

AFA was in a better conference at the time, not any more.

PS: Sorry to interrupt the smack, but please beat the hell out of Ole Miss in Fresno this year.

See, now this is the talk that all of us should be doing. If it was up to me I'd love Houston and SMU in the MWC. I'd take UTEP and SMU. I don't hate any of the schools. I've liked ECU since Jeff Blake and the comeback against NC St. in the Bowl game was also pissed about their taunting call in that BS loss to Illinois. S.Miss produced the guy that got my team a Super Bowl win oh and beat Alabama too.

Okay, lets stop the C-USA vs. MWC talk and agree we are both good conferences

Unfortunately, utezone will come and stir the pot again.

(07-05-2011 08:44 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Yea they only need to take one (assuming there is one to take) and so far it has always been a MWC or WAC team. Will that change we will see. Going undefeated is step 1. If Kent State went undefeated this year in football (by the way not happening) then we would need a whole lot of fortunate events to happen for us to go. Likely there would need to be no non-AQ teams ahead us and further a lot of teams would need to lose games since even undefeated KSU would not be ranked highly unless higher ranked teams lose often. To our benefit this has happened more often recently but you can't just expect it to happen.

Hey, at least you guys made the elite 8. I still have you on my list of teams who haven't been to a bowl since 1980. If Temple can, you can.

Antonio Gates went to JUCO at COS 30 min south of where I live.

(07-05-2011 08:47 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:45 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:41 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:33 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  You're ignoring the main part of my statement.

That Houston was better than Air Force? But lost even though they beat Big 12 schools. However I just question your undefeated = automatic BCS game.

AFA was in a better conference at the time, not any more.

PS: Sorry to interrupt the smack, but please beat the hell out of Ole Miss in Fresno this year.

See, now this is the talk that all of us should be doing. If it was up to me I'd love Houston and SMU in the MWC. I'd take UTEP and SMU. I don't hate any of the schools. I've liked ECU since Jeff Blake and the comeback against NC St. in the Bowl game was also pissed about their taunting call in that BS loss to Illinois. S.Miss produced the guy that got my team a Super Bowl win oh and beat Alabama too.

Okay, lets stop the C-USA vs. MWC talk and agree we are both good conferences

Unfortunately, utezone will come and stir the pot again.

That guy is our pawn. You and UTEP hit him w/ neg, I feel bad give him a positive. There's no hope though, he needs other people to save him now.

(07-05-2011 08:52 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:44 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Yea they only need to take one (assuming there is one to take) and so far it has always been a MWC or WAC team. Will that change we will see. Going undefeated is step 1. If Kent State went undefeated this year in football (by the way not happening) then we would need a whole lot of fortunate events to happen for us to go. Likely there would need to be no non-AQ teams ahead us and further a lot of teams would need to lose games since even undefeated KSU would not be ranked highly unless higher ranked teams lose often. To our benefit this has happened more often recently but you can't just expect it to happen.

Hey, at least you guys made the elite 8. I still have you on my list of teams who haven't been to a bowl since 1980. If Temple can, you can.

Antonio Gates went to JUCO at COS 30 min south of where I live.

Well that certainly is neat and I sure hope we get to a bowl one of these years. Football is seriously the only sport we don't win.

(07-05-2011 05:54 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  From the blog posting:
Big East record in BCS bowls: 6-4.
ACC record in BCS bowls: 1-9.

Leave the ACC out of this. This is a MWC vs. CUSA P&M'ing match.

(07-05-2011 08:25 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Any team that goes undefeated is going to be in a BCS Bowl. It's that easy.

Not really. A MAC WAC or Sunbelt team will get left out if the lowest seeded AQ champ is ranked 12th or lower as well as those scenarios that have already been listed.

(07-05-2011 06:36 AM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-04-2011 06:53 PM)Frog People Wrote:  I stole this from another board...

MWC team records v. CUSA and win percentages

Against CUSA

AFA - 31-11 (74%)
BSU - 16-2 (89%)
UNM - 47-44-3 (52%)
UNLV - 6-11 (35%)
Fresno - 23-5-1 (81%)
Nevada - 13-11 (54%)
SDSU - 22-9 (71%)
CSU - 30-20 (60%)
WYO - 33-15-1 (68%)
Hawaii - 34-24 (59%)

MWC Total - 255-153-5

You do realize that most to all of those games were played before 1st realignment?

I do. And I am not saying this is the be all end all of stats, but I think it still shines some light on the debate. And to be fair UTEP is probably going to be the most played CUSA team out of that bunch.

I cannot believe this thread has gone on for 4 pages.

The new MWC is the better conference competitively until proven otherwise. I don't put a whole lot of stock in the BCS berths in and of themselves because while they're nice to claim, it really doesn't address the conference as a whole. Would Southern Miss losing to TCU in '03 have made CUSA a stronger conference because it put a team in the BCS? Of course not. That a BCS hopeful finished 2nd in the league should actually demonstrate the opposite.

The thing is, even discounting the BCS appearances as such, the MWC has all-around done a much better job stating its case OOC than CUSA since its 2005 realignment. CUSA teams have continually put scares in AQ-conference opponents, but with rare exception have failed to seal the deal. The MWC holdovers & WAC incomers have fared noticeably better in that regard. Whether or not that continues or reverses over the next 5 years, well, you may as well call Miss Cleo and ask, but to be the man, you gotta beat the man.

Ultimately, the two conferences need to combine and cut the dead weight in order to make a dent. Put together CUSA's marketability and outlets for exposure and the MWC's quality as well as the on-field competence of the best of both, and you'd really be on to something. It's got to happen eventually, assuming the Big Dogs don't get their fill and shrink major college football to 60 teams first. A 16-team co-op could easily put 4 teams in the polls every single year, a half-dozen in a good one.

Understandably, though, neither league wants to kick any of its members to the curb so they both hold out in the hopes that the other will be ripe for cherry-picking at some point in the future. It's a draw right now because CUSA's got the potential of a BE raid hanging over its head and the MWC has the millstone that is its TV deal hanging around its neck. As always, just follow the money (which may or may not coincide with competitiveness, unfortunately). Once it's profitable for something to happen, it will.

(07-05-2011 08:38 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Does anyone think a 12-0 Troy team will get in the BCS? I don't

If Troy is the only undefeated non-AQ team in 2011, I think they will play in a BCS game. They play Clemson, Arkansas, and Navy this year. All on the road, of course, so I don't think they're really going to run the table.

(07-05-2011 11:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-05-2011 08:38 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Does anyone think a 12-0 Troy team will get in the BCS? I don't

If Troy is the only undefeated non-AQ team in 2011, I think they will play in a BCS game. They play Clemson, Arkansas, and Navy this year. All on the road, of course, so I don't think they're really going to run the table.

okay insert the SBC team with the easiest schedule. Where they actually have a shot at 12-0. I can't see them in the top 12. If by chance they do, there's a better bet that Boise is ranked higher and would get the spot.

MWC has a legitmate BCS player every year.

Good enough for me.

(07-04-2011 08:50 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I voted C-USA just because I think the worst team in the C-USA could beat the worst team in the MWC.

That is a new way of looking at it.

Close this crap. It makes the forum look stupid. It really does. And I thought Big East fans thought they were better than they actually are. Not anymore.

(07-06-2011 05:17 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Close this crap. It makes the forum look stupid. It really does. And I thought Big East fans thought they were better than they actually are. Not anymore.

Hey!

Louisiana Tech sucks.

Look both conferences have cases that make their conference better.

Example

C-USA has a better head to head vs. MWC
MWC has had more ranked teams.

It's pretty close.