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(02-07-2010 01:07 PM)hb8 Wrote:  What did we burn? What did we break?

During the infamous NIT game between ASU/UA in Fayetteville, an ASU van was burned and another ASU fan had their car window broken.
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(02-07-2010 01:43 PM)indians85 Wrote:  
(02-07-2010 01:07 PM)hb8 Wrote:  What did we burn? What did we break?

During the infamous NIT game between ASU/UA in Fayetteville, an ASU van was burned and another ASU fan had their car window broken.

Hello, I have not posted on the board for some time but I read it often and enjoy it. I have several friends at work that are ASU alums, they don't like to get beaten but they were complimentary of UALR and how we battled and hung in there til we had a chance to win at the finish. Brady is very entertaining, when he and Shields got into it, I took my coat off, I had Steve's back! When Joe Kleine ran off the court, he ran into me and gave me a big bear hug. I know how Doug Flutie felt, he is a big man, he almost broke my jaw. And the tosses alluded to by an ASU fan in successive games were: Peterson at Illinois in the first 10 seconds for getting onto an official that he knew personnally, Shields for a double bench technical on the road, and Buddy was tossed at the start of the 2nd half in a terrible loss at ASU for a double technical. Guy had hold of his jersey, he karate chopped it off while taking the ball up the court, the ref called a foul on him, the opponent walked by, talked trash, and Buddy took two steps toward him and was tossed. Things will get better Trojan fans, that was a great, fun win against our friends from ASU.
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I'm undoubtedly one of the poorest losers around, but I've never taken it out on the teams fans who beat us, by calling them names, and making derogatory remarks about everything and every body I could think of. I curse some, and I might blame the coach, or a certain player or players, but never the opponents fans. I just don't understand what people who do that are thinking.

The only incident I can think of that happened at Jonesboro was the Indian mascot that came three quarter of the way up into the second level, and tried to start some crap with some of our fans. Even when we walked out of the Convo with wins, I've never had a fans say anything bad to me. Most that say anything at all, are congratulatory.

DollarBill and I went to a Indian football game three or four years ago, and were invited and fed at a tailgate party(thanks to a guy known as Bleacher Kicker, although I don't think he is using that handle now), and a very nice fan even gave us game tickets. Every one we met at the tailgate party was super nice. FaninLa is one heck of a nice guy. I've seen him at all the Sun Belt tournaments that I've been to over the years, and even at our Centenery game a couple of years ago. I missed him at the Jack Thursday, but you can bet he was there. So evidently for every ASU *******, there's a thousand good guys.
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PTJR will call BS on that. We are all REDNECK, INBRED, UNEDUCATED, BOORISH, RUBISH, JERKS.
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(02-07-2010 10:07 PM)hb8 Wrote:  PTJR will call BS on that. We are all REDNECK, INBRED, UNEDUCATED, BOORISH, RUBISH, JERKS.

You may or may not be. I have specifically excluded Arkstfan and a few other civilized ASU fans that I know. Whether you fit into that category depends on how you comport yourself. That said, I do know that a very vocal portion of your fan base qualify for all of the labels that you list. Until you guys can get that bunch under control, I'm afraid that the brush will continue to be pretty broad.
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(02-07-2010 10:07 PM)hb8 Wrote:  PTJR will call BS on that. We are all REDNECK, INBRED, UNEDUCATED, BOORISH, RUBISH, JERKS.

Boorish..? Dude, don't be so hard on yourself.
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I don't know all of our fans. I saw many last Thursday that I do know that were there with friends and family. 3 lawyers from Little Rock, 1 from Jonesboro 1 from Paragould and 1 from El Dorado, an accountant from El Dorado, a banker from Jonesboro (the aforementioned Bleacherkicker) and one from Paragould, the publisher of Arkanas Business, a couple of friends of one of my sons who are beginning there careers in the Little Rock business community. I saw no one, for either team, do anything inappropriate. Your description of our fans is totally incongruent with my reality as part of the stAte community for my adult life. It also seems that your harsh words and ill will do not appear to be in line with several posters on this board either.

You may have had a bad experience in Jonesboro. Arkstfan just had a couple in Little Rock. That is no reflection on the majority of ualr fans and I don't see him going off on overblown, overbroad and intemperate binges about a school or its fans. There are likely a few jerks in any crowd of sports fans.

My personal comportment must have been acceptable. It did not attract any negative reaction from any ualr fans.
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A UALR fan wearing a polo with a little hog on it was quite nice to us after the game. He was in the donor lot so I'm guessing he comes to more than just the ASU game.

BTW the van burned was an Auburn fan's.
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(02-07-2010 11:00 PM)hb8 Wrote:  I don't know all of our fans. I saw many last Thursday that I do know that were there with friends and family. 3 lawyers from Little Rock, 1 from Jonesboro 1 from Paragould and 1 from El Dorado, an accountant from El Dorado, a banker from Jonesboro (the aforementioned Bleacherkicker) and one from Paragould, the publisher of Arkanas Business, a couple of friends of one of my sons who are beginning there careers in the Little Rock business community. I saw no one, for either team, do anything inappropriate. Your description of our fans is totally incongruent with my reality as part of the stAte community for my adult life. It also seems that your harsh words and ill will do not appear to be in line with several posters on this board either.

You may have had a bad experience in Jonesboro. Arkstfan just had a couple in Little Rock. That is no reflection on the majority of ualr fans and I don't see him going off on overblown, overbroad and intemperate binges about a school or its fans. There are likely a few jerks in any crowd of sports fans.

My personal comportment must have been acceptable. It did not attract any negative reaction from any ualr fans.


Evidently you are not a part of the problem. Earlier I spoke of a several ASU fans that I have met, and excluded them. I omitted one, Arkstfan. I don't know him, but did meet him one time at Alltel Arena in between sessions of the NCAA tournament. He was in the car with FaninLa, and Mike Newell. Fan took DollarBill and I over and introduced us to Mike and Arkstfan. But reading his posts, and the help he has given to the Trojan message boards over the years, I certainly don't include him as one of the culprits.

To make a long story short, READ THE ASU BOARD, before, during and after a ASU-UALR game. And, you'll find a lot of the same stuff posted about other teams too. You'll find quite a few posters there who really put out some vile ****. Those are the ones I spoke about. About the worst ASU fans will get here is being called "rubes." I don't recall any specific nasty references to your fans, cheerleaders, traditions, coaches, or nationality. There have been some posts about one of you gun toting players:bustacap:, and now your counterfeiter. [b] A couple here have been vocal about Trey Finn jilting the Trojans for ASU, and wanted Trojan fans to boo him at the game. That's about the worst that I can think of. I have no problem with our fans booing each others teams, that's all in the spirit of a rivalry.

And how about some of those "so-called" ASU fans that have been pretty nasty with their comments about Matt Mouzy, the kid from Nettleton who has busted his ass here for two years as a walk-on before finally earning a scholarship, and who has certainly made a significant contribution to our team these past three years. What in the hell is the purpose of that? Had he walked on at ASU, those guys wouldn't have had all the nasty things to say about him would they?

Do I think most ASU fans are this way? No. Not even close. READ YOUR OWN BOARD, you'll see what and who I'm talking about.
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Those threads are a mixed bag. For any post knocking Mousy, there are those taking up for him. For every post knocking Little Rock's cheerleaders, lack of tradition, ect. there are others stating how nice the Stephens Center is and how they are not mistreated (except for years when we are locked out of the building).

Any guys that go over the line will have to defend themselves. You guys can knock Dickie and his JUCOs, thats part of a rivalry and you would be hard pressed to be more critical of that than we have been anyway. JuJuan Brown's problems are understandable fodder. No apologies necessary. On the other hand, our fans generally speaking don't like your AD or your men's basketball coach (although we are not necessarily unhappy that he is your coach--we do think you need a differnt women's coach). Again thats part of a rivalry.

My objection has been to a position that brands a large group of people with the actions (alleged actions) of a few with being boorish, redneck, rubes; instead of being critical of things that the poster believes need criticising and understanding that (1) that is a limited number of folks and (2) most every fan base of any size is "blessed" with a few of those.

The temperment of this board is usually different from Tribalgrounds which is one of the reasons I have enjoyed it in the past. Part of the reason is this board has only a few active posters who are, generally speaking, both temperate in nature and have some level of knowledge of which they are posting. The larger the pool of posters the lower both standards become. A handful of knuckleheads on Tribalgrounds are no more reflective of our fans as a whole that some of the over the top silliness on Hogville is reflective of Razorback fans as a whole.

My objection is to the characterization of the many with the perceived sins of the few (even with allowance for a few specifically inumerated exceptions).

See you in Hot Springs.
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(02-08-2010 11:36 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  [/b]
(02-07-2010 11:00 PM)hb8 Wrote:  I don't know all of our fans. I saw many last Thursday that I do know that were there with friends and family. 3 lawyers from Little Rock, 1 from Jonesboro 1 from Paragould and 1 from El Dorado, an accountant from El Dorado, a banker from Jonesboro (the aforementioned Bleacherkicker) and one from Paragould, the publisher of Arkanas Business, a couple of friends of one of my sons who are beginning there careers in the Little Rock business community. I saw no one, for either team, do anything inappropriate. Your description of our fans is totally incongruent with my reality as part of the stAte community for my adult life. It also seems that your harsh words and ill will do not appear to be in line with several posters on this board either.

You may have had a bad experience in Jonesboro. Arkstfan just had a couple in Little Rock. That is no reflection on the majority of ualr fans and I don't see him going off on overblown, overbroad and intemperate binges about a school or its fans. There are likely a few jerks in any crowd of sports fans.

My personal comportment must have been acceptable. It did not attract any negative reaction from any ualr fans.


Evidently you are not a part of the problem. Earlier I spoke of a several ASU fans that I have met, and excluded them. I omitted one, Arkstfan. I don't know him, but did meet him one time at Alltel Arena in between sessions of the NCAA tournament. He was in the car with FaninLa, and Mike Newell. Fan took DollarBill and I over and introduced us to Mike and Arkstfan. But reading his posts, and the help he has given to the Trojan message boards over the years, I certainly don't include him as one of the culprits.

To make a long story short, READ THE ASU BOARD, before, during and after a ASU-UALR game. And, you'll find a lot of the same stuff posted about other teams too. You'll find quite a few posters there who really put out some vile ****. Those are the ones I spoke about. About the worst ASU fans will get here is being called "rubes." I don't recall any specific nasty references to your fans, cheerleaders, traditions, coaches, or nationality. There have been some posts about one of you gun toting players:bustacap:, and now your counterfeiter. [b] A couple here have been vocal about Trey Finn jilting the Trojans for ASU, and wanted Trojan fans to boo him at the game. That's about the worst that I can think of. I have no problem with our fans booing each others teams, that's all in the spirit of a rivalry.

And how about some of those "so-called" ASU fans that have been pretty nasty with their comments about Matt Mouzy, the kid from Nettleton who has busted his *** here for two years as a walk-on before finally earning a scholarship, and who has certainly made a significant contribution to our team these past three years. What in the hell is the purpose of that? Had he walked on at ASU, those guys wouldn't have had all the nasty things to say about him would they?

Do I think most ASU fans are this way? No. Not even close. READ YOUR OWN BOARD, you'll see what and who I'm talking about.

He was invited to walk on here. I don't think he was invited by Dickie Nutt, who had supposedly been telling the kid for several years that he was going to recruit him at ASU, so if the fans are going to be upset with someone, you can vent at Dickie Nutt, who could have easily signed III before we did. It's probably been a good thing for him to have an experience away from home, while being close enough that his family can attend his games.04-cheers
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(02-08-2010 12:05 PM)hb8 Wrote:  Those threads are a mixed bag. For any post knocking Mousy, there are those taking up for him. For every post knocking Little Rock's cheerleaders, lack of tradition, ect. there are others stating how nice the Stephens Center is and how they are not mistreated (except for years when we are locked out of the building).

Any guys that go over the line will have to defend themselves. You guys can knock Dickie and his JUCOs, thats part of a rivalry and you would be hard pressed to be more critical of that than we have been anyway. JuJuan Brown's problems are understandable fodder. No apologies necessary. On the other hand, our fans generally speaking don't like your AD or your men's basketball coach (although we are not necessarily unhappy that he is your coach--we do think you need a differnt women's coach). Again thats part of a rivalry.

My objection has been to a position that brands a large group of people with the actions (alleged actions) of a few with being boorish, redneck, rubes; instead of being critical of things that the poster believes need criticising and understanding that (1) that is a limited number of folks and (2) most every fan base of any size is "blessed" with a few of those.

The temperment of this board is usually different from Tribalgrounds which is one of the reasons I have enjoyed it in the past. Part of the reason is this board has only a few active posters who are, generally speaking, both temperate in nature and have some level of knowledge of which they are posting. The larger the pool of posters the lower both standards become. A handful of knuckleheads on Tribalgrounds are no more reflective of our fans as a whole that some of the over the top silliness on Hogville is reflective of Razorback fans as a whole.

My objection is to the characterization of the many with the perceived sins of the few (even with allowance for a few specifically inumerated exceptions).

See you in Hot Springs.


You are absolutely right about that. Sometimes we tend to lump all into what should be "the few that are quilty." I hope I have gotten across to you and other 'good' Woof fans, that I certainly am not saying all, or even most of your fans are included.

By the way, just curious why you have a problem with Joe Foley?
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He is very successful. The same logic that requires you to keep Shields requires you to shed Foley.

I know of no one that is upset at Mousy. Some guys like to pick at him for whatever reason. No one that I know thinks he jilted stAte in any way.
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(02-08-2010 12:05 PM)hb8 Wrote:  Those threads are a mixed bag. For any post knocking Mousy, there are those taking up for him. For every post knocking Little Rock's cheerleaders, lack of tradition, ect. there are others stating how nice the Stephens Center is and how they are not mistreated (except for years when we are locked out of the building).

Any guys that go over the line will have to defend themselves. You guys can knock Dickie and his JUCOs, thats part of a rivalry and you would be hard pressed to be more critical of that than we have been anyway. JuJuan Brown's problems are understandable fodder. No apologies necessary. On the other hand, our fans generally speaking don't like your AD or your men's basketball coach (although we are not necessarily unhappy that he is your coach--we do think you need a differnt women's coach). Again thats part of a rivalry.

My objection has been to a position that brands a large group of people with the actions (alleged actions) of a few with being boorish, redneck, rubes; instead of being critical of things that the poster believes need criticising and understanding that (1) that is a limited number of folks and (2) most every fan base of any size is "blessed" with a few of those.

The temperment of this board is usually different from Tribalgrounds which is one of the reasons I have enjoyed it in the past. Part of the reason is this board has only a few active posters who are, generally speaking, both temperate in nature and have some level of knowledge of which they are posting. The larger the pool of posters the lower both standards become. A handful of knuckleheads on Tribalgrounds are no more reflective of our fans as a whole that some of the over the top silliness on Hogville is reflective of Razorback fans as a whole.

My objection is to the characterization of the many with the perceived sins of the few (even with allowance for a few specifically inumerated exceptions).

See you in Hot Springs.

Good post. Thanks. I agree that suggesting that all ASU fans are "jerks" is kind of like branding all Muslims as terrorists. But a few bad apples can quickly ruin any group's reputation.
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(02-08-2010 12:05 PM)hb8 Wrote:  Those threads are a mixed bag. For any post knocking Mousy, there are those taking up for him. For every post knocking Little Rock's cheerleaders, lack of tradition, ect. there are others stating how nice the Stephens Center is and how they are not mistreated (except for years when we are locked out of the building).

Any guys that go over the line will have to defend themselves. You guys can knock Dickie and his JUCOs, thats part of a rivalry and you would be hard pressed to be more critical of that than we have been anyway. JuJuan Brown's problems are understandable fodder. No apologies necessary. On the other hand, our fans generally speaking don't like your AD or your men's basketball coach (although we are not necessarily unhappy that he is your coach--we do think you need a differnt women's coach). Again thats part of a rivalry.

My objection has been to a position that brands a large group of people with the actions (alleged actions) of a few with being boorish, redneck, rubes; instead of being critical of things that the poster believes need criticising and understanding that (1) that is a limited number of folks and (2) most every fan base of any size is "blessed" with a few of those.

The temperment of this board is usually different from Tribalgrounds which is one of the reasons I have enjoyed it in the past. Part of the reason is this board has only a few active posters who are, generally speaking, both temperate in nature and have some level of knowledge of which they are posting. The larger the pool of posters the lower both standards become. A handful of knuckleheads on Tribalgrounds are no more reflective of our fans as a whole that some of the over the top silliness on Hogville is reflective of Razorback fans as a whole.

My objection is to the characterization of the many with the perceived sins of the few (even with allowance for a few specifically inumerated exceptions).

See you in Hot Springs.

I believe this is the longest thread I have seen on this board. Just to add my 2cents, in all my years as a Trojan fan I have never personally witnessed any dis-respect, no out-of-line remarks or behavior by an ASU fan. I will say this. Basketball is a fast moving and emotional game. Seems to me, if you don't have excited fans who care deeply about their team and want their team to win, why bother to attend the games? That's a problem we have at UALR, we don't have enough fans who really give a damn whether the Trojans win or lose.
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(02-08-2010 02:12 PM)DollarBill Wrote:  
(02-08-2010 12:05 PM)hb8 Wrote:  Those threads are a mixed bag. For any post knocking Mousy, there are those taking up for him. For every post knocking Little Rock's cheerleaders, lack of tradition, ect. there are others stating how nice the Stephens Center is and how they are not mistreated (except for years when we are locked out of the building).

Any guys that go over the line will have to defend themselves. You guys can knock Dickie and his JUCOs, thats part of a rivalry and you would be hard pressed to be more critical of that than we have been anyway. JuJuan Brown's problems are understandable fodder. No apologies necessary. On the other hand, our fans generally speaking don't like your AD or your men's basketball coach (although we are not necessarily unhappy that he is your coach--we do think you need a differnt women's coach). Again thats part of a rivalry.

My objection has been to a position that brands a large group of people with the actions (alleged actions) of a few with being boorish, redneck, rubes; instead of being critical of things that the poster believes need criticising and understanding that (1) that is a limited number of folks and (2) most every fan base of any size is "blessed" with a few of those.

The temperment of this board is usually different from Tribalgrounds which is one of the reasons I have enjoyed it in the past. Part of the reason is this board has only a few active posters who are, generally speaking, both temperate in nature and have some level of knowledge of which they are posting. The larger the pool of posters the lower both standards become. A handful of knuckleheads on Tribalgrounds are no more reflective of our fans as a whole that some of the over the top silliness on Hogville is reflective of Razorback fans as a whole.

My objection is to the characterization of the many with the perceived sins of the few (even with allowance for a few specifically inumerated exceptions).

See you in Hot Springs.

I believe this is the longest thread I have seen on this board. Just to add my 2cents, in all my years as a Trojan fan I have never personally witnessed any dis-respect, no out-of-line remarks or behavior by an ASU fan. I will say this. Basketball is a fast moving and emotional game. Seems to me, if you don't have excited fans who care deeply about their team and want their team to win, why bother to attend the games? That's a problem we have at UALR, we don't have enough fans who really give a damn whether the Trojans win or lose.

For goodness sakes, Kerry. Let's close this thread and move on. I think everyone's point has been made. ASU fans are great. Our fans are great. Our coaching is great. Everything is great.03-banghead
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I watched this thread and thought I may have to close it at one point but for the most point, it has been a good thread and stayed on topic. Most threads that get this long move off topic.
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