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RE: NEW stadium construction
Why has there been no news!?!? Figured we could turn our attention back to this and away from the loss yeaterday.
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I still maintain that no news is good news. We already know what to expect if they were to announce it yesterday. The fact that they haven't gives me hopes that they are investigating other solutions to make it better. But that's just the optimist in me, what's left at least.
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RE: NEW stadium construction
You still have optimism? I envy you. I'm in the "nihilistic slam poetry" phase of Stadium Construction.

My hopes and dreams are like Foreman Field/S.B Ballard
Spartan relics of a time where things fit
A hazy past fading into a mediocre present bleeding into a hazy future
New bricks in an old wall, they never truly fit, so they sit
Backs aching for the seats of tomorrow, on which we'll never sit
And then there are the porta-johns
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(03-11-2018 12:11 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  My hopes and dreams are like Foreman Field/S.B Ballard
Spartan relics of a time where things fit
A hazy past fading into a mediocre present bleeding into a hazy future
New bricks in an old wall, they never truly fit, so they sit
Backs aching for the seats of tomorrow, on which we'll never sit
And then there are the porta-johns

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They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
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(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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That would do it.
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(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
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(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.
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(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.
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RE: NEW stadium construction
(03-13-2018 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.

How is that the grand prize? We didn't finish first when that happened. The grand prize would be us hosting the CUSA championship game with a chance at the G5 news year's six bid.
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RE: NEW stadium construction
(03-13-2018 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.

My vote is for ODU, WKU, MTSU and Marshall to join the A-10 for basketball and all other sports and then form a new FBS football only conference. Some teams would overlap

A-10:
ODU
VCU
WKU
MTSU
Marshall
George Mason
Richmond
UMass
Rhode Island
Davidson
Charlotte
St Joes
Dayton
George Washington

New Football Only Conference:
ODU
Charlotte
MTSU
App State
Marshall
JMU
UMass
Liberty
WKU
FAU
FIU
Ga State
Ga Southern
Coastal Carolina
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RE: NEW stadium construction
(03-13-2018 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 09:58 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  They are still trying to figure out how to break to bad news of us going back to FCS.
That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.

Because we would then be playing all lower level football programs. No more seasons with multiple ACC teams on the schedule. I would much prefer us to get our basketball house in order in CUSA and dominate the league every year like Memphis used to. Then we can talk about moving up to a better conference, not down to one that used to be good.
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(03-13-2018 08:45 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-12-2018 10:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  That would be easy. Lead with we are moving to the A10.

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and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.

Because we would then be playing all lower level football programs. No more seasons with multiple ACC teams on the schedule. I would much prefer us to get our basketball house in order in CUSA and dominate the league every year like Memphis used to. Then we can talk about moving up to a better conference, not down to one that used to be good.

News flash. With our leadership, we arent going to compete against the top teams in CUSA.
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(03-13-2018 08:48 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 08:45 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.

Because we would then be playing all lower level football programs. No more seasons with multiple ACC teams on the schedule. I would much prefer us to get our basketball house in order in CUSA and dominate the league every year like Memphis used to. Then we can talk about moving up to a better conference, not down to one that used to be good.

News flash. With our leadership, we arent going to compete against the top teams in CUSA.
Well we wouldn't compete with top teams in the A10 either. The solution is improving the performance in the situation we are in. I don't see any silver bullets out there.
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RE: NEW stadium construction
(03-13-2018 08:48 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 08:45 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:36 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  and I would be completely fine with it. Put basketball in the A-10 and develop a national power at the FCS level, which we were on the track to do with how we were playing. I'm okay with that. I think the closer rival football games (WM, RICHMOND, JMU) all breathe life into this program because our friends and families somehow tie back into some of those institutions. Not to mention basketball resurrecting conference games with VCU, Richmond, Mason and a host of other better (regional) talent.

No brainer for me. I'd rather have basketball as our marquee sport hands down.
I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.

Because we would then be playing all lower level football programs. No more seasons with multiple ACC teams on the schedule. I would much prefer us to get our basketball house in order in CUSA and dominate the league every year like Memphis used to. Then we can talk about moving up to a better conference, not down to one that used to be good.

News flash. With our leadership, we arent going to compete against the top teams in CUSA.

We finished 2nd in hoops this year. And are a season removed from winning 10 games in football. We may not be winning league titles yet but we aren't anywhere close to as bad as you make us sound.
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Football is a tailgate party. We can do that in any conference. We don't compete for anything and we will NEVER be in a New Years Day bowl. Not even Marshall or WKU are competing for that. It would take an $5M coaching investment at least to get to that level. It would take an undefeated season (to include beating the ACC schools on the schedule) and blue chip recruits. You have stars in your eyes and I get it, but need to come back down to reality a bit. The last 2 years is what we are going to get in football. If we schedule enough cupcakes and the conference sucks bad enough, we go to a bowl.
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(03-13-2018 08:50 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 08:48 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 08:45 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 07:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 06:44 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  I would not support that at all. That would be a big step backwards.

How so? Please explain how the current situation is any better. The grand prize is a weekday bowl game in the Bahamas against Eastern Michigan for Pete's sake. And it is still a 1-bid basketball league.

Because we would then be playing all lower level football programs. No more seasons with multiple ACC teams on the schedule. I would much prefer us to get our basketball house in order in CUSA and dominate the league every year like Memphis used to. Then we can talk about moving up to a better conference, not down to one that used to be good.

News flash. With our leadership, we arent going to compete against the top teams in CUSA.
Well we wouldn't compete with top teams in the A10 either. The solution is improving the performance in the situation we are in. I don't see any silver bullets out there.

We compete much better with the A10. They play a style that matches what our recruits play. They'll be able to contribute quicker because we won't spend their first 3 years pounding a round peg in a square hole and reteaching the entire game of basketball to them.
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(03-13-2018 09:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Football is a tailgate party. We can do that in any conference. We don't compete for anything and we will NEVER be in a New Years Day bowl. Not even Marshall or WKU are competing for that. It would take an $5M coaching investment at least to get to that level. It would take an undefeated season (to include beating the ACC schools on the schedule) and blue chip recruits. You have stars in your eyes and I get it, but need to come back down to reality a bit. The last 2 years is what we are going to get in football. If we schedule enough cupcakes and the conference sucks bad enough, we go to a bowl.

You're trying to use short-term data from a team that just transitioned to paint a bleak picture. Way too hyperbolic for my taste.

We compete for a CUSA championship. Winning that would mean more than some CAA title, where they have maybe 3 decent teams per year.

No G5 coach is making 5 mil a year. Chad Morris is the highest paid and doesnt make half that.

And while we may or may not have the right coach for the job right now. That doesnt mean we need cupcakes infinitely to compete.
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(03-13-2018 09:24 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 09:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Football is a tailgate party. We can do that in any conference. We don't compete for anything and we will NEVER be in a New Years Day bowl. Not even Marshall or WKU are competing for that. It would take an $5M coaching investment at least to get to that level. It would take an undefeated season (to include beating the ACC schools on the schedule) and blue chip recruits. You have stars in your eyes and I get it, but need to come back down to reality a bit. The last 2 years is what we are going to get in football. If we schedule enough cupcakes and the conference sucks bad enough, we go to a bowl.

You're trying to use short-term data from a team that just transitioned to paint a bleak picture. Way too hyperbolic for my taste.

We compete for a CUSA championship. Winning that would mean more than some CAA title, where they have maybe 3 decent teams per year.

No G5 coach is making 5 mil a year. Chad Morris is the highest paid and doesnt make half that.

And while we may or may not have the right coach for the job right now. That doesnt mean we need cupcakes infinitely to compete.

UCF head coach Josh Heupel will be paid $1.7 million annually over five years, per his Memorandum of Understanding, the same salary amount that Scott Frost was paid during his first year as the Knights' head coach.

https://247sports.com/college/central-fl...-111797904

That's $8.5M tight there with a $10M buyout. We can't compete with that.

I like Bobby Wilder and prefer not to throw good money after bad. He is the perfect guy to compete for national championships in the FCS and SB Ballard at Foreman Field is the perfect stadium to do it from. The games were better, the atmosphere was better, and locals unaffiliated with the school used to talk about ODU football. The experiment failed. Nobody wants to see UTSA and nobody wants to see us lose by 30 to NC State or watch as Virginia Tech takes over our campus. We just can't compete.

What we can do is build a basketball program that can compete. We already have the venue and with much lower travel and football expenses, we can pay a coach the market rate.
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