The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

If Miami was so concerned about their players' welfare, they had 3 days to put their players on a plane and send them to Jonesboro, AR hundreds of miles away from any hurricanes....you know.....like they were suppose to do. The universities in the rest of Florida plus Georgia Southern were all able to fly their teams to their respective away games or move the location of their home game before Irma even hit the states. FIU, a school in the same city as Miami, even moved their home game to Birmingham, AL without any hassle whatsoever. Miami has just been uncooperative from the beginning.

(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

Oh Puh-lease. If Miami's only defense when they go into the courtroom is "We were trying to protect our student athletes by keeping them in the city that the hurricane was about to hit," they're going to lose faster than they can say "it's not about the money."

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

(03-08-2018 08:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

If Miami was so concerned about their players' welfare, they had 3 days to put their players on a plane and send them to Jonesboro, AR hundreds of miles away from any hurricanes....you know.....like they were suppose to do. The universities in the rest of Florida plus Georgia Southern were all able to fly their teams to their respective away games or move the location of their home game before Irma even hit the states. FIU, a school in the same city as Miami, even moved their home game to Birmingham, AL without any hassle whatsoever. Miami has just been uncooperative from the beginning.

The, "you should have gotten them out of the city" argument is rather stupid to be frank with you.

There are more concerns than just their physical location at the time of the storm hitting.

I agree with you to some extent that they were uncooperative. But, the issue is at what point does their uncooperativeness jump the rail from caution and concern, of whatever degree, to being a bunch of ass holes just looking to get out of a game.

There is nothing that has been presented, or can be presented, that says they were anything other than perhaps overly cautious.

(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

Contrary to what P5 fans think, not everyone is madly envious of your fandom or always out to get your school. Arkansas State just wants what they are contractually due. If the roles were reversed, and Arkansas State was the one that cancelled and refused to reschedule a home game for Miami, Miami would be doing the exact same thing.

(03-08-2018 09:06 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

Contrary to what P5 fans think, not everyone is madly enamored with your fandom or always out to get your school. Arkansas State just wants what they are contractually due. If the roles were reversed, and Arkansas State was the one that cancelled and refused to reschedule a home game for Miami, Miami would be doing the exact same thing.

If it were reversed I would feel the same way and would be arguing for A-State.

The fact of the matter is that this isn't an issue of little programs v. big ones.

That has been a strategy to elicit sympathy by some posters on this board.

I'm not concerned with A-State's success or failure as a program and don't think it has any part in this conversation.

(03-08-2018 09:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:06 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

Contrary to what P5 fans think, not everyone is madly enamored with your fandom or always out to get your school. Arkansas State just wants what they are contractually due. If the roles were reversed, and Arkansas State was the one that cancelled and refused to reschedule a home game for Miami, Miami would be doing the exact same thing.

If it were reversed I would feel the same way and would be arguing for A-State.

The fact of the matter is that this isn't an issue of little programs v. big ones.

That has been a strategy to elicit sympathy by some posters on this board.

I'm not concerned with A-State's success or failure as a program and don't think it has any part in this conversation.

You're contradicting yourself Dixie.

(03-08-2018 09:13 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:06 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

Contrary to what P5 fans think, not everyone is madly enamored with your fandom or always out to get your school. Arkansas State just wants what they are contractually due. If the roles were reversed, and Arkansas State was the one that cancelled and refused to reschedule a home game for Miami, Miami would be doing the exact same thing.

If it were reversed I would feel the same way and would be arguing for A-State.

The fact of the matter is that this isn't an issue of little programs v. big ones.

That has been a strategy to elicit sympathy by some posters on this board.

I'm not concerned with A-State's success or failure as a program and don't think it has any part in this conversation.

You're contradicting yourself Dixie.

The narrative is more important than logical consistency.



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(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

I am certainly not envious of Miami, their fans, or their illustrious history of ethical adherance to rules and procedure. I have no interest in my university ever becoming that.

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(03-08-2018 09:00 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

Oh Puh-lease. If Miami's only defense when they go into the courtroom is "We were trying to protect our student athletes by keeping them in the city that the hurricane was about to hit," they're going to lose faster than they can say "it's not about the money."

We'll see. I don't think ARK being heartbroken over a canceled fan fest will matter much to a judge either.

(03-08-2018 12:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:00 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

Oh Puh-lease. If Miami's only defense when they go into the courtroom is "We were trying to protect our student athletes by keeping them in the city that the hurricane was about to hit," they're going to lose faster than they can say "it's not about the money."

We'll see. I don't think ARK being heartbroken over a canceled fan fest will matter much to a judge either.

Well good thing it’s way more than a cancelled fan fest.

(03-08-2018 12:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:00 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

Oh Puh-lease. If Miami's only defense when they go into the courtroom is "We were trying to protect our student athletes by keeping them in the city that the hurricane was about to hit," they're going to lose faster than they can say "it's not about the money."

We'll see. I don't think ARK being heartbroken over a canceled fan fest will matter much to a judge either.

Doubtful a judge can order a game. That could be arbitrated though.

Expect the judge will look solely at financial loses claimed by both sides, and order one side to pay the discrepancy. The judge will be guided by the strict interpretation of the clauses in the contract with some reliance on precedence for anything ambiguous. This would pertain to any similar situations due to game cancellations, particularly as it relates to weather or other unexpected events that impact.

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

I don't know how Florida has interpreted anything so that's why I add such a disclaimer.

But I don't suspect that a judge in Miami is likely to consider the case much differently from a judge in Jonesboro.

(03-08-2018 09:03 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

If Miami was so concerned about their players' welfare, they had 3 days to put their players on a plane and send them to Jonesboro, AR hundreds of miles away from any hurricanes....you know.....like they were suppose to do. The universities in the rest of Florida plus Georgia Southern were all able to fly their teams to their respective away games or move the location of their home game before Irma even hit the states. FIU, a school in the same city as Miami, even moved their home game to Birmingham, AL without any hassle whatsoever. Miami has just been uncooperative from the beginning.

The, "you should have gotten them out of the city" argument is rather stupid to be frank with you.

There are more concerns than just their physical location at the time of the storm hitting.

I agree with you to some extent that they were uncooperative. But, the issue is at what point does their uncooperativeness jump the rail from caution and concern, of whatever degree, to being a bunch of ass holes just looking to get out of a game.

There is nothing that has been presented, or can be presented, that says they were anything other than perhaps overly cautious.

Actually I believe Miami offered to bus to Orlando any student-athlete who wished to leave.

(03-08-2018 09:13 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:09 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:06 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

Contrary to what P5 fans think, not everyone is madly enamored with your fandom or always out to get your school. Arkansas State just wants what they are contractually due. If the roles were reversed, and Arkansas State was the one that cancelled and refused to reschedule a home game for Miami, Miami would be doing the exact same thing.

If it were reversed I would feel the same way and would be arguing for A-State.

The fact of the matter is that this isn't an issue of little programs v. big ones.

That has been a strategy to elicit sympathy by some posters on this board.

I'm not concerned with A-State's success or failure as a program and don't think it has any part in this conversation.

You're contradicting yourself Dixie.

You may wish to look that word up.

One of those was paraphrasing another poster's position and the second statement was about the position of the legal issue.

(03-08-2018 10:24 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.

I am certainly not envious of Miami, their fans, or their illustrious history of ethical adherance to rules and procedure. I have no interest in my university ever becoming that.

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(03-08-2018 12:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:03 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

If Miami was so concerned about their players' welfare, they had 3 days to put their players on a plane and send them to Jonesboro, AR hundreds of miles away from any hurricanes....you know.....like they were suppose to do. The universities in the rest of Florida plus Georgia Southern were all able to fly their teams to their respective away games or move the location of their home game before Irma even hit the states. FIU, a school in the same city as Miami, even moved their home game to Birmingham, AL without any hassle whatsoever. Miami has just been uncooperative from the beginning.

The, "you should have gotten them out of the city" argument is rather stupid to be frank with you.

There are more concerns than just their physical location at the time of the storm hitting.

I agree with you to some extent that they were uncooperative. But, the issue is at what point does their uncooperativeness jump the rail from caution and concern, of whatever degree, to being a bunch of ass holes just looking to get out of a game.

There is nothing that has been presented, or can be presented, that says they were anything other than perhaps overly cautious.

Actually I believe Miami offered to bus to Orlando any student-athlete who wished to leave.

And that makes Miami's cautious actions more or less likely to have been veiled attack on A-State?