(02-08-2018 04:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 03:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 03:25 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  Stu, you said UNC instead of UND in your original post. Big difference. :)

typo, corrected original post. I guess I'm not much of a Tarheel fan.

I always refer to Northern Colorado as NoCo, never UNC (North Carolina) in my posts to avoid confusion.

Confusion reigns in your arrogant brain. When I said Presbyterian College would add wrestling, based on what a wrestling board had said, you excoriated me and said that would never happen. I was just a stupid jerk for believing that.

But sure enough a month later Prebyterian College added men's and women's wrestling. No humility suddenly came springing from your posts.

The same thing will happen with Summit football.

Yeah, I was surprised by the wrestling. Still seems a bizarre move. It's built on the dubious concept that maybe it will increase male enrollment. As I conceded at the time, one person is position of power can make a strange call, such as this one.

Back to you. So now your shifting to Summit Football to replace your Great North? Weasel, weasel, weasel.

April 18th ... tic-toc

(02-08-2018 05:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 04:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:06 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've said it on here before: once UND becomes a full member of the Summit the move we are going to see is Northern Colorado to the Summit.

It's a win for the Big Sky because they drop to a managable 10 full/12 football model.

Denver gets a travel partner.

The Summit takes over the MVFC, having 6 of the members.

The voting block of the Dakota 4, UNO, and Denver control the league. PUFW and WIU step up efforts to get out.

I'm not sure if you're just playing along with the conspiracy theorist, but what possible motivation could there be for the 4 Dakota schools to leave the MVFC, one of the best FCS conferences, for an FCS Summit League with the bare minimum of football schools? And if UNC joins but WIU leaves, they'd be back to 5 FB schools. The Summit can't "take over" the MVFC. It would only have 5 out of the 11 members (and just 4 if WIU leaves).

The only parts of this that seem even vaguely realistic are UNC joining the Summit (it would still have to park its FB program in the Big Sky though) and WIU and Fort Wayne desiring to leave the Summit. I doubt the MVC would want either WIU or FW, so they'd do better to aim for the Horizon or even the OVC.

So maybe we see:

Big Sky: Cal Poly*, EWU, Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State, NAU, PSU, Sac State, SUU, Weber, UC Davis*, UNC*

Summit (NFB): Denver, NDSU, Omaha, ORU, SDSU, UNC, UND, USD

Horizon (NFB): Cleveland State, Detroit, Fort Wayne, Green Bay, IUPUI, Milwaukee, NKU, Oakland, UIC, WIU, Wright State, YSU

* = FB-only

It would be Summit League football but they'd also take in the MVFC schools to make a 12 school league.

This is not plausible. You'd have YSU in the same conference as Northern Colorado? And how exactly would the Summit "take over" the MVFC? As noted, the Summit has only 5 schools out of the 11 MVFC schools. If Northern Colorado joins the Summit and the MVFC foolishly takes in their FB program, that's still only 6 Summit schools among 12 MVFC schools. They're not taking over the MVFC that way.

I seem to recall the A-10 football conference becoming the CAA football conference when 6 of the 12 members were full CAA members (ironically school #6, Northeastern, as well as Hofstra turned around and dropped the sport soon thereafter).

A 12 team Summit football would work fine. Assign each school 4 annual opponents and rotate the others among the rest. NoCo can have the Dakota 4 as their permanent rivals, Y'town St can have Ind St, Ill St, SIU, and WIU.

(02-08-2018 09:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I seem to recall the A-10 football conference becoming the CAA football conference when 6 of the 12 members were full CAA members (ironically school #6, Northeastern, as well as Hofstra turned around and dropped the sport soon thereafter).

A 12 team Summit football would work fine. Assign each school 4 annual opponents and rotate the others among the rest. NoCo can have the Dakota 4 as their permanent rivals, Y'town St can have Ind St, Ill St, SIU, and WIU.

The big difference is that the Summit taking over the MVFC would presumably be a hostile move. I doubt that the eastern MVFC teams are pining to play as far west as Colorado. How do you reconcile your support for an FCS Summit stretching from YSU to Northern Colorado while at the same time noting that WIU and FW desire to escape to a more eastern conference like the Horizon?

(02-08-2018 10:50 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 09:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I seem to recall the A-10 football conference becoming the CAA football conference when 6 of the 12 members were full CAA members (ironically school #6, Northeastern, as well as Hofstra turned around and dropped the sport soon thereafter).

A 12 team Summit football would work fine. Assign each school 4 annual opponents and rotate the others among the rest. NoCo can have the Dakota 4 as their permanent rivals, Y'town St can have Ind St, Ill St, SIU, and WIU.

The big difference is that the Summit taking over the MVFC would presumably be a hostile move. I doubt that the eastern MVFC teams are pining to play as far west as Colorado. How do you reconcile your support for an FCS Summit stretching from YSU to Northern Colorado while at the same time noting that WIU and FW desire to escape to a more eastern conference like the Horizon?

Nobody cares about YSU in the MVFC. They have no barring in anything that goes on. WIU is not looking to leave the Summit either unless its to the MVC, which isn't happen.

(02-08-2018 10:53 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:50 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 09:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I seem to recall the A-10 football conference becoming the CAA football conference when 6 of the 12 members were full CAA members (ironically school #6, Northeastern, as well as Hofstra turned around and dropped the sport soon thereafter).

A 12 team Summit football would work fine. Assign each school 4 annual opponents and rotate the others among the rest. NoCo can have the Dakota 4 as their permanent rivals, Y'town St can have Ind St, Ill St, SIU, and WIU.

The big difference is that the Summit taking over the MVFC would presumably be a hostile move. I doubt that the eastern MVFC teams are pining to play as far west as Colorado. How do you reconcile your support for an FCS Summit stretching from YSU to Northern Colorado while at the same time noting that WIU and FW desire to escape to a more eastern conference like the Horizon?

Nobody cares about YSU in the MVFC. They have no barring in anything that goes on. WIU is not looking to leave the Summit either unless its to the MVC, which isn't happen.

It's not just YSU. Illinois and Indiana are not exactly next door to Colorado either. I don't see any real reason why an MVFC (or a hypothetical FCS Summit which includes the MVFC schools) stretching from the eastern Midwest to Colorado would come about. Both the MVFC and Summit schools would be making travel more difficult for themselves. Northern Colorado itself wouldn't benefit much, if at all. They'd be playing a bunch of far-off Midwestern teams instead of a bunch of similarly far-off Mountain and Pacific teams.

(02-08-2018 11:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:53 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:50 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 09:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I seem to recall the A-10 football conference becoming the CAA football conference when 6 of the 12 members were full CAA members (ironically school #6, Northeastern, as well as Hofstra turned around and dropped the sport soon thereafter).

A 12 team Summit football would work fine. Assign each school 4 annual opponents and rotate the others among the rest. NoCo can have the Dakota 4 as their permanent rivals, Y'town St can have Ind St, Ill St, SIU, and WIU.

The big difference is that the Summit taking over the MVFC would presumably be a hostile move. I doubt that the eastern MVFC teams are pining to play as far west as Colorado. How do you reconcile your support for an FCS Summit stretching from YSU to Northern Colorado while at the same time noting that WIU and FW desire to escape to a more eastern conference like the Horizon?

Nobody cares about YSU in the MVFC. They have no barring in anything that goes on. WIU is not looking to leave the Summit either unless its to the MVC, which isn't happen.

It's not just YSU. Illinois and Indiana are not exactly next door to Colorado either. I don't see any real reason why an MVFC (or a hypothetical FCS Summit which includes the MVFC schools) stretching from the eastern Midwest to Colorado would come about. Both the MVFC and Summit schools would be making travel more difficult for themselves. Northern Colorado itself wouldn't benefit much, if at all. They'd be playing a bunch of far-off Midwestern teams instead of a bunch of similarly far-off Mountain and Pacific teams.

It would be split into divisions where the travel would be to the minimal sans more than likely YSU, who has to fly anyways, is not an either of the leagues, has no rivals and nobody cares about them.

MVC Division - Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois
Summit Division - North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Youngstown State

(02-08-2018 11:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:53 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:50 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 09:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I seem to recall the A-10 football conference becoming the CAA football conference when 6 of the 12 members were full CAA members (ironically school #6, Northeastern, as well as Hofstra turned around and dropped the sport soon thereafter).

A 12 team Summit football would work fine. Assign each school 4 annual opponents and rotate the others among the rest. NoCo can have the Dakota 4 as their permanent rivals, Y'town St can have Ind St, Ill St, SIU, and WIU.

The big difference is that the Summit taking over the MVFC would presumably be a hostile move. I doubt that the eastern MVFC teams are pining to play as far west as Colorado. How do you reconcile your support for an FCS Summit stretching from YSU to Northern Colorado while at the same time noting that WIU and FW desire to escape to a more eastern conference like the Horizon?

Nobody cares about YSU in the MVFC. They have no barring in anything that goes on. WIU is not looking to leave the Summit either unless its to the MVC, which isn't happen.

It's not just YSU. Illinois and Indiana are not exactly next door to Colorado either. I don't see any real reason why an MVFC (or a hypothetical FCS Summit which includes the MVFC schools) stretching from the eastern Midwest to Colorado would come about. Both the MVFC and Summit schools would be making travel more difficult for themselves. Northern Colorado itself wouldn't benefit much, if at all. They'd be playing a bunch of far-off Midwestern teams instead of a bunch of similarly far-off Mountain and Pacific teams.

It would be split into divisions where the travel would be to the minimal sans more than likely YSU, who has to fly anyways, is not an either of the leagues, has no rivals and nobody cares about them.

MVC Division - Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois
Summit Division - North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Youngstown State

But what's the advantage? Northern Colorado gets perhaps slightly less travel, while everyone else gets more. Conferences generally don't operate as charities.

(02-07-2018 12:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  NAU just announced 2018 Football schedule - playing Missouri State.






Obvious that NAU, having played Illinois State, WIU, South Dakota, UNI and now Missouri State is destined for the MVFC.

The Southland going to a 9 game schedule has made the MVFC and Big Sky schedule each other OOC.

(02-08-2018 11:19 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 12:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  NAU just announced 2018 Football schedule - playing Missouri State.






Obvious that NAU, having played Illinois State, WIU, South Dakota, UNI and now Missouri State is destined for the MVFC.

The Southland going to a 9 game schedule has made the MVFC and Big Sky schedule each other OOC.

The Big Sky is also upping their conference schedule to 9 in 2020, due mainly to the scarcity of OOC opponents in the region.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/big...1c1af.html

(02-08-2018 11:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:53 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:50 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The big difference is that the Summit taking over the MVFC would presumably be a hostile move. I doubt that the eastern MVFC teams are pining to play as far west as Colorado. How do you reconcile your support for an FCS Summit stretching from YSU to Northern Colorado while at the same time noting that WIU and FW desire to escape to a more eastern conference like the Horizon?

Nobody cares about YSU in the MVFC. They have no barring in anything that goes on. WIU is not looking to leave the Summit either unless its to the MVC, which isn't happen.

It's not just YSU. Illinois and Indiana are not exactly next door to Colorado either. I don't see any real reason why an MVFC (or a hypothetical FCS Summit which includes the MVFC schools) stretching from the eastern Midwest to Colorado would come about. Both the MVFC and Summit schools would be making travel more difficult for themselves. Northern Colorado itself wouldn't benefit much, if at all. They'd be playing a bunch of far-off Midwestern teams instead of a bunch of similarly far-off Mountain and Pacific teams.

It would be split into divisions where the travel would be to the minimal sans more than likely YSU, who has to fly anyways, is not an either of the leagues, has no rivals and nobody cares about them.

MVC Division - Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois
Summit Division - North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Youngstown State

But what's the advantage? Northern Colorado gets perhaps slightly less travel, while everyone else gets more. Conferences generally don't operate as charities.

Travel doesn't increase. It reduces each team to 1 to 2 longer trips each season. No more multiple trips in a season to the Dakotas or Youngstown for MVC teams. It stabilizes the Summit League, which in turn stabilizes the MVFC.

(02-08-2018 11:39 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:53 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Nobody cares about YSU in the MVFC. They have no barring in anything that goes on. WIU is not looking to leave the Summit either unless its to the MVC, which isn't happen.

It's not just YSU. Illinois and Indiana are not exactly next door to Colorado either. I don't see any real reason why an MVFC (or a hypothetical FCS Summit which includes the MVFC schools) stretching from the eastern Midwest to Colorado would come about. Both the MVFC and Summit schools would be making travel more difficult for themselves. Northern Colorado itself wouldn't benefit much, if at all. They'd be playing a bunch of far-off Midwestern teams instead of a bunch of similarly far-off Mountain and Pacific teams.

It would be split into divisions where the travel would be to the minimal sans more than likely YSU, who has to fly anyways, is not an either of the leagues, has no rivals and nobody cares about them.

MVC Division - Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois
Summit Division - North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Youngstown State

But what's the advantage? Northern Colorado gets perhaps slightly less travel, while everyone else gets more. Conferences generally don't operate as charities.

Travel doesn't increase. It reduces each team to 1 to 2 longer trips each season. No more multiple trips in a season to the Dakotas or Youngstown for MVC teams. It stabilizes the Summit League, which in turn stabilizes the MVFC.

Is the MVFC unstable to begin with?

(02-08-2018 11:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:39 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  It's not just YSU. Illinois and Indiana are not exactly next door to Colorado either. I don't see any real reason why an MVFC (or a hypothetical FCS Summit which includes the MVFC schools) stretching from the eastern Midwest to Colorado would come about. Both the MVFC and Summit schools would be making travel more difficult for themselves. Northern Colorado itself wouldn't benefit much, if at all. They'd be playing a bunch of far-off Midwestern teams instead of a bunch of similarly far-off Mountain and Pacific teams.

It would be split into divisions where the travel would be to the minimal sans more than likely YSU, who has to fly anyways, is not an either of the leagues, has no rivals and nobody cares about them.

MVC Division - Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois
Summit Division - North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Youngstown State

But what's the advantage? Northern Colorado gets perhaps slightly less travel, while everyone else gets more. Conferences generally don't operate as charities.

Travel doesn't increase. It reduces each team to 1 to 2 longer trips each season. No more multiple trips in a season to the Dakotas or Youngstown for MVC teams. It stabilizes the Summit League, which in turn stabilizes the MVFC.

Is the MVFC unstable to begin with?

There are a lot of tensions there. Flying in planes is a no-no fot the MVC schools, so they have minimized Dakota conference games best they can.

The cheerleaders are loose on the XDSU campuses so Stugray and the XDSU posters have more chances to sling their BS.


http://www.inforum.com/news/accidents/44...sus-campus

(02-09-2018 12:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:39 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It would be split into divisions where the travel would be to the minimal sans more than likely YSU, who has to fly anyways, is not an either of the leagues, has no rivals and nobody cares about them.

MVC Division - Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois, Western Illinois
Summit Division - North Dakota, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Youngstown State

But what's the advantage? Northern Colorado gets perhaps slightly less travel, while everyone else gets more. Conferences generally don't operate as charities.

Travel doesn't increase. It reduces each team to 1 to 2 longer trips each season. No more multiple trips in a season to the Dakotas or Youngstown for MVC teams. It stabilizes the Summit League, which in turn stabilizes the MVFC.

Is the MVFC unstable to begin with?

There are a lot of tensions there. Flying in planes is a no-no fot the MVC schools, so they have minimized Dakota conference games best they can.

And yet they're bringing UND in...

(02-09-2018 12:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:39 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:19 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  But what's the advantage? Northern Colorado gets perhaps slightly less travel, while everyone else gets more. Conferences generally don't operate as charities.

Travel doesn't increase. It reduces each team to 1 to 2 longer trips each season. No more multiple trips in a season to the Dakotas or Youngstown for MVC teams. It stabilizes the Summit League, which in turn stabilizes the MVFC.

Is the MVFC unstable to begin with?

There are a lot of tensions there. Flying in planes is a no-no fot the MVC schools, so they have minimized Dakota conference games best they can.

And yet they're bringing UND in...

We aren't actually scheduled to be brought in until the 2020 season. Hence , something is up. More Big Sky teams could be out of Big Sky fb by 2020 if they act before July.

(02-09-2018 05:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:39 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Travel doesn't increase. It reduces each team to 1 to 2 longer trips each season. No more multiple trips in a season to the Dakotas or Youngstown for MVC teams. It stabilizes the Summit League, which in turn stabilizes the MVFC.

Is the MVFC unstable to begin with?

There are a lot of tensions there. Flying in planes is a no-no fot the MVC schools, so they have minimized Dakota conference games best they can.

And yet they're bringing UND in...

We aren't actually scheduled to be brought in until the 2020 season. Hence , something is up. More Big Sky teams could be out of Big Sky fb by 2020 if they act before July.

It doesn't follow that the delay to 2020 is indicative of a larger realignment. More likely, it's simply a result of football schedules being planned years in advance. I imagine the aforementioned scarcity of OOC opponents in the region makes it difficult for the remaining Big Sky schools to replace IC games on relatively short notice.

(02-09-2018 07:25 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 05:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Is the MVFC unstable to begin with?

There are a lot of tensions there. Flying in planes is a no-no fot the MVC schools, so they have minimized Dakota conference games best they can.

And yet they're bringing UND in...

We aren't actually scheduled to be brought in until the 2020 season. Hence , something is up. More Big Sky teams could be out of Big Sky fb by 2020 if they act before July.

It doesn't follow that the delay to 2020 is indicative of a larger realignment. More likely, it's simply a result of football schedules being planned years in advance. I imagine the aforementioned scarcity of OOC opponents in the region makes it difficult for the remaining Big Sky schools to replace IC games on relatively short notice.

NDSU trled to run the UND fb program in the dust by blocking UND before from the MVFC IMHO. NDSU and UND agreed to 2016 and 2019 games in Fargo - that is very telling. Only if something bigger than FCS would NDSU want UND fb back. For some reason -which have suggested here- NDSU actually agreed to schedule UND in a conference but not until 2020. The Summit by NDSU never blocked UND, but that would have lead to UND fb starving. UND actally had talked to the Southland about an affiliate deal when the Big Sky offered. Some of NDSU's success is due to UND not getting recruits in MN and WI that it used to when they were both DII programs. NDSU actually gets kids that have MAC offers.

(02-09-2018 08:41 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 07:25 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 05:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 12:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  There are a lot of tensions there. Flying in planes is a no-no fot the MVC schools, so they have minimized Dakota conference games best they can.

And yet they're bringing UND in...

We aren't actually scheduled to be brought in until the 2020 season. Hence , something is up. More Big Sky teams could be out of Big Sky fb by 2020 if they act before July.

It doesn't follow that the delay to 2020 is indicative of a larger realignment. More likely, it's simply a result of football schedules being planned years in advance. I imagine the aforementioned scarcity of OOC opponents in the region makes it difficult for the remaining Big Sky schools to replace IC games on relatively short notice.

NDSU trled to run the UND fb program in the dust by blocking UND before from the MVFC IMHO. NDSU and UND agreed to 2016 and 2019 games in Fargo - that is very telling. Only if something bigger than FCS would NDSU want UND fb back. For some reason -which have suggested here- NDSU actually agreed to schedule UND in a conference but not until 2020. The Summit by NDSU never blocked UND, but that would have lead to UND fb starving. UND actally had talked to the Southland about an affiliate deal when the Big Sky offered. Some of NDSU's success is due to UND not getting recruits in MN and WI that it used to when they were both DII programs. NDSU actually gets kids that have MAC offers.

You may need to reword some of these sentences for them to make sense grammatically speaking. From what I understand, it seems that you're reading far too much into the situation. And it doesn't appear that you've addressed my point in the post you quoted.

You are not reading into it enough. NDSU takes its football seriously, especially with regards to UND.

(02-09-2018 09:12 AM)NoDak Wrote:  You are not reading into it enough. NDSU takes its football seriously, especially with regards to UND.

How does that refute the argument that the delay in UND moving to the MVFC is merely due to scheduling issues?