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(02-05-2018 09:37 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Notice how everyone is referencing one game? He averaged 4 pts and 3 reb as a freshman.

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Slice it any way you want. Lee was a big part of that team and we went to the NCAA. As the season went along his role grew . His freshman year was not as big as Alex but everyone could tell he could be a star, which he was.

(02-06-2018 07:52 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 03:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This has been beaten to depth....You believe in 1980s style of basketball where you need a 6-10 center despite us having played...what 1...true old school center this year? Any others? Which players at the 5 have we faced that Carver and Stith couldnt guard despite not being 6 foot 10? I don't believe there is a need for true centers at our level in todays basketball. You need a guy that can play solid defense and score inside.......whether he is 6-5 or 7-3. In todays basketball, guys like Stith and Porter cannot guard 4s on the perimeter and they clog the lane too much on offense when played together.

I have seen clips of Ekikpe and read scouting reports. I have also read his commentary where he says his athleticism is lacking right now and that he cannot guard players out on the perimeter. That is the main support for my comment on him guarding guys on the perimeter. He appears to be a guy that can play down low and is ideally matched with a forward that can stretch the floor and open up the lanes. That is, unless his work in our weight room allows him to improve on his (his words) weakness.

If we get a 7 footer that is skilled...great. Do we need one? No. Are they easy to find at our level? No. Do we ever face any? Very seldom.

Glad you're not the damn coach running our program.

No logic in Giles statement...where would we be this year without Porter...we need bigs bad....let,s hope for a 6'10 recruit...one more thing. Carver can't guard Porter.

You must have a traditional big on your roster. That option of a back to the basket type player must be part of any mid to high level basketball team. Trey is crucial in our system where we sometimes rely on an inside out type offense. In addition, many times defensively you need the proto-typical Center to enforce the lane and be a rim protector.

(02-06-2018 08:42 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:37 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Notice how everyone is referencing one game? He averaged 4 pts and 3 reb as a freshman.

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Slice it any way you want. Lee was a big part of that team and we went to the NCAA. As the season went along his role grew . His freshman year was not as big as Alex but everyone could tell he could be a star, which he was.

Without him we do not beat Georgetown that year. He gave us such a lift off the bench and made a couple of critical baskets.

I think Giles is right that you can be okay without a traditional back to the basket big, as long as you have players who can defend and rebound in the front court. Where I think he is wrong, is in his belief that ODU can be okay without that. JJ's style of play is not compatible with having no low post presence. He doesn't seem to like his bigs shooting 3s or operating on the perimeter, so the idea of smaller bigs that stretch the floor doesn't really translate, and to be honest, his offense bogs down a lot, and having a post player to dump the ball into makes a big difference when that happens.

(02-06-2018 08:43 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 07:52 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 03:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This has been beaten to depth....You believe in 1980s style of basketball where you need a 6-10 center despite us having played...what 1...true old school center this year? Any others? Which players at the 5 have we faced that Carver and Stith couldnt guard despite not being 6 foot 10? I don't believe there is a need for true centers at our level in todays basketball. You need a guy that can play solid defense and score inside.......whether he is 6-5 or 7-3. In todays basketball, guys like Stith and Porter cannot guard 4s on the perimeter and they clog the lane too much on offense when played together.

I have seen clips of Ekikpe and read scouting reports. I have also read his commentary where he says his athleticism is lacking right now and that he cannot guard players out on the perimeter. That is the main support for my comment on him guarding guys on the perimeter. He appears to be a guy that can play down low and is ideally matched with a forward that can stretch the floor and open up the lanes. That is, unless his work in our weight room allows him to improve on his (his words) weakness.

If we get a 7 footer that is skilled...great. Do we need one? No. Are they easy to find at our level? No. Do we ever face any? Very seldom.

Glad you're not the damn coach running our program.

No logic in Giles statement...where would we be this year without Porter...we need bigs bad....let,s hope for a 6'10 recruit...one more thing. Carver can't guard Porter.

No one can guard Porter when he isn't trying fadeway jumpers.

(02-06-2018 09:26 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  You must have a traditional big on your roster. That option of a back to the basket type player must be part of any mid to high level basketball team. Trey is crucial in our system where we sometimes rely on an inside out type offense. In addition, many times defensively you need the proto-typical Center to enforce the lane and be a rim protector.

No argument that you need a big on the roster, they just don't have to be 6 foot 10. MTSU has gone a lot of years with success without a 6-10 interior presence.

(02-06-2018 09:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think Giles is right that you can be okay without a traditional back to the basket big, as long as you have players who can defend and rebound in the front court. Where I think he is wrong, is in his belief that ODU can be okay without that. JJ's style of play is not compatible with having no low post presence. He doesn't seem to like his bigs shooting 3s or operating on the perimeter, so the idea of smaller bigs that stretch the floor doesn't really translate, and to be honest, his offense bogs down a lot, and having a post player to dump the ball into makes a big difference when that happens.

JJ has been recruiting stretch 4s to open up the lane. Arledge, Kah, Reece, Vaughn, Pilavious, etc. If you hear him interviewed, he addresses the need for outside shooting from big players. Even Carver is more of a stretch guy (not range out to 3 point line, but can shoot 18 foot jumpers) Arledge stood at the top of the guy and would shoot 3s. Make no mistake, JJ tries to get big players that can shoot from the outside.

(02-06-2018 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 09:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think Giles is right that you can be okay without a traditional back to the basket big, as long as you have players who can defend and rebound in the front court. Where I think he is wrong, is in his belief that ODU can be okay without that. JJ's style of play is not compatible with having no low post presence. He doesn't seem to like his bigs shooting 3s or operating on the perimeter, so the idea of smaller bigs that stretch the floor doesn't really translate, and to be honest, his offense bogs down a lot, and having a post player to dump the ball into makes a big difference when that happens.

JJ has been recruiting stretch 4s to open up the lane. Arledge, Kah, Reece, Vaughn, Pilavious, etc. If you hear him interviewed, he addresses the need for outside shooting from big players. Even Carver is more of a stretch guy (not range out to 3 point line, but can shoot 18 foot jumpers) Arledge stood at the top of the guy and would shoot 3s. Make no mistake, JJ tries to get big players that can shoot from the outside.

Funny that he had one on the team in Kah, and the dude sat on the bench behind the absolute epitome of dudes who can't shoot. Funny that Porter actually could knock down a top of the key jumper from time to time, but isn't put in a position to do so ever. Funny that JJ has been here for 5 years and has had big dudes on the team that can shoot, but has almost never put them in a position to do so, but has consistently preferred 4s that provide no offense in Taylor and Carver.

And to say Carver has range to 18 feet is laughable. In fact Twardzik had a good laugh during the UAB game about him not having the range to shoot a 10 footer.

Dave: That's not the shot you want from AC
Ted: But you have to take the open 10 footer to make the defense guard you.
Dave: Not when you can't make it.

(02-06-2018 11:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 09:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think Giles is right that you can be okay without a traditional back to the basket big, as long as you have players who can defend and rebound in the front court. Where I think he is wrong, is in his belief that ODU can be okay without that. JJ's style of play is not compatible with having no low post presence. He doesn't seem to like his bigs shooting 3s or operating on the perimeter, so the idea of smaller bigs that stretch the floor doesn't really translate, and to be honest, his offense bogs down a lot, and having a post player to dump the ball into makes a big difference when that happens.

JJ has been recruiting stretch 4s to open up the lane. Arledge, Kah, Reece, Vaughn, Pilavious, etc. If you hear him interviewed, he addresses the need for outside shooting from big players. Even Carver is more of a stretch guy (not range out to 3 point line, but can shoot 18 foot jumpers) Arledge stood at the top of the guy and would shoot 3s. Make no mistake, JJ tries to get big players that can shoot from the outside.

Funny that he had one on the team in Kah, and the dude sat on the bench behind the absolute epitome of dudes who can't shoot. Funny that Porter actually could knock down a top of the key jumper from time to time, but isn't put in a position to do so ever. Funny that JJ has been here for 5 years and has had big dudes on the team that can shoot, but has almost never put them in a position to do so, but has consistently preferred 4s that provide no offense in Taylor and Carver.

Porter shoots a lot of face up mid range jumpers (35% of FGA),but has shot poorly this year.(26%). As did Arledge, who had 44% of his shots as 2 point jumpers (36%) and 23% of his shots were 3 pointers (27%).

You are right on Carver. I spoke without checking out his numbers. I remember him making some jumpers; I must have remembered each and every one!

Yeah, you shouldn't take shots you cant make. I agree with Dave.

Over/Under on how many pages these silly arguments add to an already over posted thread: I say it goes out to 143 pages, so 13 pages more.

Do we have to have a big man? Does WKU have a big man?

Geez, bottom line: If you can get one, you sign him. Period.

(02-06-2018 12:19 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Do we have to have a big man? Does WKU have a big man?

Maybe they dont, but if we had a big bully honker down low to anchor the paint, maybe we could get the other teams' bigs in foul trouble and allowing our more versatile players to be more active. Regardless if they play 5 mins or 30. If they can come in and draw a couple fouls off our opponents bigs, that alone would be huge.

(02-06-2018 12:46 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Geez, bottom line: If you can get one, you sign him. Period.

Yeah, its gone off track a couple times. Its more suited to a discussion on whether we "need" a 6-10 traditional big man or not and not really about specific players.

If we can sign Gerald Lee tomorrow, we obviously do so.

(02-06-2018 12:15 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Over/Under on how many pages these silly arguments add to an already over posted thread: I say it goes out to 143 pages, so 13 pages more.

Go start another thread topic that people want to discuss. The boards have been pretty dead the last couple days... at least there is some discussion.

Maybe you could start a thread called "Complaining About Other People's Posts While Not Adding Anything of Value To the Conversation"

(02-06-2018 02:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:15 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Over/Under on how many pages these silly arguments add to an already over posted thread: I say it goes out to 143 pages, so 13 pages more.

Go start another thread topic that people want to discuss. The boards have been pretty dead the last couple days... at least there is some discussion.

Maybe you could start a thread called "Complaining About Other People's Posts While Not Adding Anything of Value To the Conversation"

That thread exists here: http://csnbbs.com/thread-808434.html

(02-06-2018 02:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:15 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Over/Under on how many pages these silly arguments add to an already over posted thread: I say it goes out to 143 pages, so 13 pages more.

Go start another thread topic that people want to discuss. The boards have been pretty dead the last couple days... at least there is some discussion.

Maybe you could start a thread called "Complaining About Other People's Posts While Not Adding Anything of Value To the Conversation"

I get it. Just like your multiple posts on walks ons in the football recruiting thread when you didn’t even know the rules? And you kept bitching and bitching and posting and posting about something you were absolutely clueless about. Is that what you mean about not adding anything of value?

(02-07-2018 08:24 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 02:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:15 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Over/Under on how many pages these silly arguments add to an already over posted thread: I say it goes out to 143 pages, so 13 pages more.

Go start another thread topic that people want to discuss. The boards have been pretty dead the last couple days... at least there is some discussion.

Maybe you could start a thread called "Complaining About Other People's Posts While Not Adding Anything of Value To the Conversation"

I get it. Just like your multiple posts on walks ons in the football recruiting thread when you didn’t even know the rules? And you kept bitching and bitching and posting and posting about something you were absolutely clueless about. Is that what you mean about not adding anything of value?

That was a different poster.

(02-07-2018 08:24 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 02:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 12:15 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  Over/Under on how many pages these silly arguments add to an already over posted thread: I say it goes out to 143 pages, so 13 pages more.

Go start another thread topic that people want to discuss. The boards have been pretty dead the last couple days... at least there is some discussion.

Maybe you could start a thread called "Complaining About Other People's Posts While Not Adding Anything of Value To the Conversation"

I get it. Just like your multiple posts on walks ons in the football recruiting thread when you didn’t even know the rules? And you kept bitching and bitching and posting and posting about something you were absolutely clueless about. Is that what you mean about not adding anything of value?

WOW. I would've looked into it a little more before posting this. Not a great look.