(01-05-2018 10:51 PM)CameramanJ Wrote: It will be interesting to see if Disney scoops up some of the Legends-era canon regarding Kessel or if they do their own thing.
Wouldn't you say they've done mostly their own thing since they paid GL the $4Billion?
BTW- read somewhere recently that GL was on the infamous Hollywood list of "clients" of a certain madam. Seems plausible, as he has the cash. Wonder how the girls felt that they got to "do" a Star Wars?
(01-05-2018 10:51 PM)CameramanJ Wrote: It will be interesting to see if Disney scoops up some of the Legends-era canon regarding Kessel or if they do their own thing.
I imagine they'd use existing elements of the Spice Trade that have already been in canon in the Clone Wars show. A race called the Pykes seem to be in charge of it for the most part. Kessel has also appeared in the show Rebels, but I dont recall how much it was in. Not sure how they will go about the Kessel Run.
(12-21-2017 08:08 AM)58-56 Wrote: The whole Laura Dern suicide run seemed kind of stupid: they have robots for that. Could have let C3PO go out in a blaze of glory. And all she did when she was alone was stare out the window at her friends blowing up.
Agreed and if that was her move, why didn't she do it sooner. Would have saved more escape pods.
Also agreed that C3PO could have done it. On a side note, I am a big fan of BB8.
Or even better Ackbar. That's how he should have gone out. The whole not telling the rest of the crew the plan was just thin manufactured drama... and stupid.
They werent going to do that with Ackbar... it... it just wasnt happening.
Also, there seems to be a misunderstanding in some posts above. Laura Dern's Holdo was not planning to ram her ship into the First Order's ship. The plan was for her to continue the coarse (or maybe jump to hyperspace again) and act as a decoy as the shuttles went to the planet undetected. If they hadnt known about the transports, the Supremacy's (FO flagship) long range cannons would have continued firing on and following it until it eventually blew up once power was out and shields went down.
I didn't want a Solo origin film...and I'm not really buying the guy they cast to be Han...but the trailer sets up a movie that looks like a pretty fun space pirate romp and I don't know if I've ever seen a casting choice more perfect than Donald Glover as young Lando.
(01-11-2018 04:49 PM)CameramanJ Wrote: Found this to be an interesting take on the state of the new Star Wars trilogy:
After watching the film mid-January with not too much previous information (i.e. spoilers) before I went in, I was both impressed and disappointed with The Last Jedi. I basically agree with this video's major points of contention, and I now see where actor Mark Hamill was coming from when he originally stated he thought that every major decision for his character of Luke Skywalker was wrong.
While I have not read the book, which I did do for the first six movies (all but one before actually seeing the films) I found the character of Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern) to be basically useless and obnoxious and forced-in (no pun intended) political correctness. The stupidest decisions in the new movies, to me, are all the new force powers that heretofore had gone unseen and unused in the previous 6 films. It is difficult to reasonably accept that no one else so critical to the original storylines had seemed to think of , let alone actually use, these new powers, and I found it very distracting in trying to absorb the story and enjoy the movie TLJ.
Along the same lines, I too was annoyed with what they did with bringing Princess Leia back alive after she had been blown out into space. It is obvious that one decision about this new trilogy had been made prior to production: each film would focus on one of the original main characters: Han Solo VII, Luke Skywalker VIII, and Leia IX. Of course there was no way they could have known that Carrie Fischer would die after shooting was completed, so they missed a plausible opportunity to end her character and will now have to resort to a likely awkward plot device to explain her absence from IX unless they reverse their stated decision not to use CG again to have her reappear.
And, boy, did I dislike what they did with Snoke after all the buildup. Seemed like extremely weak story writing to me. So much left unanswered, and Crybaby Kylo Ren (Ben Solo, who basically just needs the good spanking he obviously never got like his grandfather Anakin) is now the big bad guy? Really? Weeeeeaaak. Or General Hux (I can't stand the character or the chosen actor's portrayal, and not in the "I hate the Dallas Cowboys because they always win" but rather the "that's a really weak character and bad acting, dude" kind of dislike.) Once again they had an opportunity to make these films better, and correct or at least mitigate some of the annoyances from VII, but they chose not to even go there and I was disappointed.
I really hope they just leave "Captain Phasma" and her useless, contrived character dead. From first hearing the name, to the brief appearance in VII to how they "expanded" her in VIII, it was just dumb, dumb, dumb to me on a Jar-Jar Binks level.
I never took to the Ray character as well as I would have liked, and in VII, I found Finn's character annoying and under/wrongly developed at times. I liked Maz Kanata (wanted to see more of her instead of what they did--where did you find the lightsaber, Maz?), and although I feared the worst from more forced political correctness and United Colors of Benetton gerrymandering, I surprisingly very much liked Kelly Tran's character Rose, and was sad when I thought she was dead, but very glad when she turned out not to be. I look forward to seeing more of her in IX. Hope they don't screw her character up too much.
I did think what they did with Luke in his battle scene was cool, but dislike how they ended his character. The Yoda reappearance made less sense than it could have as it seemed his "wisdom" was somewhat inconsistent with most of what he had been teaching before, and it would have been helpful to go ahead and include brief visits from Anakin and a CGI Obi-wan (or better a Ewan Macgregor with old guy makeup one).
I liked what they did with the characters, acting and story of Rogue One so much better than VII or VIII. I think Rogue One ranks as the second or third best film (and accomplished a strong female lead character who was fully dressed at all times, so I do think that can be done well), and I hope they do better with the Solo and Obi-wan films.
I don't at this point think I'll enjoy Rian Johnson's rumored new trilogy, especially if Kathleen Kennedy and he insist on inserting their apparently oppositional politics into the Star Wars universe at every chance they get in their seeming attempt to revise the underlying values that were apparent to most all through the original trilogy and contributed heavily in my opinion to their success. The Star Wars ethos was always rooted in basically traditional values, and especially in creating a stable and believable foundation for the "good" characters. Hope they get smart and return to those values (Hmmmm, Episode IX: "Return of the Values?") Just my 2 cents.
I will wait for the DVD to come out to see it again and reassess, adjust, but overall I feel this film, TLJ, made me appreciate the prequels a lot more, and that's 'really sayin' something,' to quote Bananrama.
(This post was last modified: 02-14-2018 01:57 PM by GoodOwl.)
So,no one's commented on the SOLO:A Star Wars Story trailer that came out earlier this month. Thought I'd post it here to get ya'll's take:
After TLJ, I'm ready for something more in line with my expectations from this franchise. I don't mind Rian Johnson doing a whole new trilogy--he can go way off tangent there and it won't be as big a deal since all the characters and settings will be virtually completely disconnected from the main saga storyline.
Personally, I was worried about how Woody Harrelson would fit in to SW. I think this trailer has some intriguing moments. It will probably take some getting used to another actor playing Han Solo, but I'll be there in the theatre soon after it debuts.
(02-23-2018 11:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: So,no one's commented on the SOLO:A Star Wars Story trailer that came out earlier this month. Thought I'd post it here to get ya'll's take:
After TLJ, I'm ready for something more in line with my expectations from this franchise. I don't mind Rian Johnson doing a whole new trilogy--he can go way off tangent there and it won't be as big a deal since all the characters and settings will be virtually completely disconnected from the main saga storyline.
Personally, I was worried about how Woody Harrelson would fit in to SW. I think this trailer has some intriguing moments. It will probably take some getting used to another actor playing Han Solo, but I'll be there in the theatre soon after it debuts.
After TLJ I don't trust Disney to make a Star Wars flick. If they fired everyone associated with the creation of TLJ and brought in new leadership I might consider watching some of the new films they are developing. As of right now, I have no intention of viewing Episode 9, or any of the spinoffs.
I Have have not watched the trailer. After seeing TLJ, I just haven't had any interest in viewing any more of the Disney Star Wars universe.
(02-23-2018 11:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: So,no one's commented on the SOLO:A Star Wars Story trailer that came out earlier this month. Thought I'd post it here to get ya'll's take:
After TLJ, I'm ready for something more in line with my expectations from this franchise. I don't mind Rian Johnson doing a whole new trilogy--he can go way off tangent there and it won't be as big a deal since all the characters and settings will be virtually completely disconnected from the main saga storyline.
Personally, I was worried about how Woody Harrelson would fit in to SW. I think this trailer has some intriguing moments. It will probably take some getting used to another actor playing Han Solo, but I'll be there in the theatre soon after it debuts.
After TLJ I don't trust Disney to make a Star Wars flick. If they fired everyone associated with the creation of TLJ and brought in new leadership I might consider watching some of the new films they are developing. As of right now, I have no intention of viewing Episode 9, or any of the spinoffs.
I Have have not watched the trailer. After seeing TLJ, I just haven't had any interest in viewing any more of the Disney Star Wars universe.
I personally have no hate toward TLJ, but I do not like Kathleen Kennedy in charge of Lucasfilm. She is about what Judy is to CUSA. The issue is that everyone who mattered was pleased with TLJ. The higher up staff, the critics... just not some fans.
But Han Solo was directed by Ron Howard after they fired the initial directors. I expect it to be well directed even if the story(ies) is/are lackluster.
I thought the last Jedi was great. Then again, I didn't care for The Force Awakens.
I think the real problem that most people have with TLJ is that it was very dismissive of the mysteries started by the Force Awakens. And if you're a fan of TFA I can see how that would be a problem. People speculated and obsessed over those mysteries for two years. But on its own TLJ is a totally superior movie to Force Awakens. At least it wasn't just a rehash of what came before it.
(02-25-2018 05:36 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote: I thought the last Jedi was great. Then again, I didn't care for The Force Awakens.
I think the real problem that most people have with TLJ is that it was very dismissive of the mysteries started by the Force Awakens. And if you're a fan of TFA I can see how that would be a problem. People speculated and obsessed over those mysteries for two years. But on its own TLJ is a totally superior movie to Force Awakens. At least it wasn't just a rehash of what came before it.
And a lot of that, I feel, was fan built hype. JJ didnt even seem to care about his "mysteries" that much. I liked TLJ more than TFA as well.
(02-25-2018 06:07 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote: And a lot of that, I feel, was fan built hype.
Meh...fans didn't make Rey's parents a plot point of the trilogy...they didn't create the Knights of Ren and show them in flashbacks that went nowhere....they didn't play up Snoke as some powerful prescence who had been there since the original trilogy...they didn't make a big deal about Luke's lightsaber then use it in a movie-ending cliff-hanger that ended up being a lame Three Stooges joke...
That's on Lucasfilm.
The Last Jedi makes Episode VII a worse film than it already was. It is a terrible sequel to Force Awakens, and it's an even worse Act II of a trilogy. It's not even as good as the Battlestar Galactica episode it ripped its plot from. The first part of the dialogue in the movie is a literal "Yo Momma" joke. The "Solo: A Star Wars Story" tie-in/advertisement in the last 20 minutes was eye-rollingly obvious.
There was no plan for the trilogy upfront and therefore it has become a trainwreck.
Great visuals though.
(This post was last modified: 02-27-2018 04:46 PM by demiveeman.)
Sadly enough the Rebels series on Disney XD has been more enjoyable than VII and VIII. Could probably even make that claim about the Clone Wars animation.
As time passes, Rogue One is increasingly becoming one of my favorite films of the franchise - I think mainly because while it was somewhat independent of the trilogies it still had to stay within the confines of what is Star Wars. Just because you have some Storm Troopers and a Jedi doesn't fundamentally make either of these last two trilogy movies much in line with what it should be. The near closing scene with Vader boarding the Rebel ship ranks up there as one of the great scenes in all of Star Wars IMO. Up there with some of the better light saber duels.
I agree Episode VIII made VII a worse movie. I really don't understand any of the rationale for completely obliterating what happened in VII with the story line of VIII. If Johnson wanted a stand alone move he should have just asked to do that. Episode IX is going to have to save the franchise or people might stop buying into this thing.
(This post was last modified: 02-26-2018 10:59 PM by ThreeifbyLightning.)
On March 5, the final three episodes of Star Wars Rebels will air, back to back to back, making for a kind of mini-movie that will bring the story to a close. Dave Filoni never got to end his last series, The Clone Wars, on his own terms. He’s finally getting his chance with Rebels, and he’s not going to leave anything on the Dejarik table. He’s exhibiting a penchant for storytelling as epic as anything we’ve seen in Star Wars so far.
It wasn't initially high in my opinion, but overall Rebels is definitely one of my favorite things they put out since 2014. Dave Filoni spent a lot of time with George Lucas while making The Clone Wars, and I think he gets it, and he has insight into the directions they were taking Star Wars before Lucas sold it. We are seeing that play out in Rebels in a way.
(02-26-2018 10:59 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Sadly enough the Rebels series on Disney XD has been more enjoyable than VII and VIII. Could probably even make that claim about the Clone Wars animation.
As time passes, Rogue One is increasingly becoming one of my favorite films of the franchise - I think mainly because while it was somewhat independent of the trilogies it still had to stay within the confines of what is Star Wars. Just because you have some Storm Troopers and a Jedi doesn't fundamentally make either of these last two trilogy movies much in line with what it should be. The near closing scene with Vader boarding the Rebel ship ranks up there as one of the great scenes in all of Star Wars IMO. Up there with some of the better light saber duels.
I agree Episode VIII made VII a worse movie. I really don't understand any of the rationale for completely obliterating what happened in VII with the story line of VIII. If Johnson wanted a stand alone move he should have just asked to do that. Episode IX is going to have to save the franchise or people might stop buying into this thing.
I liked a lot of things about Rogue, especially how it tied in seamlessly with the start of the original Star Wars. I thought the CGI of young Leia and Tarkin was very well done. My one criticism would have to be the character of Saw Gerrera. They could have designed a better look for that character. Forrest looked and sounded like a walking iron lung. Because of this, I didn't like the way Forrest Whitaker played the character. I would have cast Jim Brown, and made Saw less mechanical but heavily battle scarred. Strong and stoic. Quiet and brooding.
(02-26-2018 10:59 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Sadly enough the Rebels series on Disney XD has been more enjoyable than VII and VIII. Could probably even make that claim about the Clone Wars animation.
As time passes, Rogue One is increasingly becoming one of my favorite films of the franchise - I think mainly because while it was somewhat independent of the trilogies it still had to stay within the confines of what is Star Wars. Just because you have some Storm Troopers and a Jedi doesn't fundamentally make either of these last two trilogy movies much in line with what it should be. The near closing scene with Vader boarding the Rebel ship ranks up there as one of the great scenes in all of Star Wars IMO. Up there with some of the better light saber duels.
I agree Episode VIII made VII a worse movie. I really don't understand any of the rationale for completely obliterating what happened in VII with the story line of VIII. If Johnson wanted a stand alone move he should have just asked to do that. Episode IX is going to have to save the franchise or people might stop buying into this thing.
I liked a lot of things about Rogue, especially how it tied in seamlessly with the start of the original Star Wars. I thought the CGI of young Leia and Tarkin was very well done. My one criticism would have to be the character of Saw Gerrera. They could have designed a better look for that character. Forrest looked and sounded like a walking iron lung. Because of this, I didn't like the way Forrest Whitaker played the character. I would have cast Jim Brown, and made Saw less mechanical but heavily battle scarred. Strong and stoic. Quiet and brooding.
Not sure why they added the breathing issue outside of the Vader parallelism. I dont mind him being radical, or unhinged. It may just be the portrayal. Saw is decent enough in Rebels, where Whitaker also voices him.
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