Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
Rabid Squirrel Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,310
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 40
I Root For: NIU Huskies
Location: St.charles, IL
Post: #1
2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
The 2017 senior starters and their likely 2018 replacement. Better, worse, or same:

Safety:17 Allen - 18 Foster = Worse Allen was consistently one of the top tacklers on D. Coverage at times was so-so.

WR: 17 Beebe - 18 DJ Brown = Same. We all love Beebe, but you have to be on the field to make an impact.

WR: 17 Blake - 18 Wesley = Better. Multiple options for this spot. I went with Wesley even though he could end up in the slot. If he does, then the Beebe spot goes to Better and Parchment is here and it is Same with a good possibility of better.

RB: 17 Huff - !8 Harbison = Better. Same reason as Beebe. Huff was great at times, but you gotta stay on the field to produce. Harbs may be a star in the making.

LB: 17 Jones IV - 18 Deveaux = Worse. Big drop off here. Very young and unproven. This will be a camp battle for the new starter.

DT: 17 - Lee - 18 Heflin/Kramer = Same. Such a rotation here I just grabbed the best young guys. Lee was very solid. Heflin or Kramer may prove to be better. Was close to going better here.

CB: 17 Lurry - 18 Embry = Worse. Lurry was special. He gambled and lost at times, but he could change a game.

TE: 17 Wimann - 18 Brinkman = Worse. TD machine. Hopefully next season we have a better WR group and the TE won't need to be such a big part of the passing game.

While there are more Worse than Betters, I think theres a lot of talent that just isn't proven. Some other positions will improve as unproven players get a chance. I think 2 true freshman CBs play in '18 as that position is really thin.

Others leaving who played : Abresch, Olootu, Saffold, Sanders, Schwab.
01-04-2018 11:04 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


NIU1981 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,306
Joined: Nov 2006
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Peace & Equity
Location:
Post: #2
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
Saffold is coming back.
01-04-2018 11:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rabid Squirrel Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,310
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 40
I Root For: NIU Huskies
Location: St.charles, IL
Post: #3
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-04-2018 11:38 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Saffold is coming back.

I did not realize he got an extra year. Some experienced depth at the slot will be good.
01-04-2018 11:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
houstonhuskie Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,766
Joined: Sep 2004
Reputation: 15
I Root For: NIU
Location: houston, texas
Post: #4
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
I’m assuming the kicking evaluation is a “to be seen”.
01-04-2018 01:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
NIU1981 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,306
Joined: Nov 2006
Reputation: 54
I Root For: Peace & Equity
Location:
Post: #5
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
01-04-2018 01:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
HuskiePride12 Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,811
Joined: Sep 2008
Reputation: 10
I Root For: NIU, WHITE SOX
Location:
Post: #6
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-04-2018 01:33 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  This guy might be coming:

http://www.gobearcats.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=707

https://twitter.com/Agantz16?ref_src=tws...r%5Eauthor

Yes PLEASE. He was a semi finalist for the Lou Graza among a lot of other accolades and seemed a hip injury took him out.
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2018 01:41 PM by HuskiePride12.)
01-04-2018 01:38 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Rabid Squirrel Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,310
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 40
I Root For: NIU Huskies
Location: St.charles, IL
Post: #7
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
A good kicker would be such a needed boost for this offense. I didn't list Hagan because I just don't have any analysis of kickers or his replacement. With the condition of the offense it's an important positioning 2018.
01-04-2018 01:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
HuskieJ Offline
No 1 Illness Hater
*

Posts: 3,580
Joined: Jun 2002
Reputation: 8
I Root For: NIU Only
Location:
Post: #8
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
Doesn't the Middle LB come back too to soften the Jones loss?
01-04-2018 03:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
RedandBlackAttack Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,404
Joined: Nov 2012
Reputation: 6
I Root For: NIU
Location:
Post: #9
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-04-2018 03:36 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  Doesn't the Middle LB come back too to soften the Jones loss?

Yes Pugh will be back. He had to be the biggest loss this past season. Hopefully he remains healthy and continues to play well because the defense will need it. He was the 2nd best player on the defense by Sutton.
01-04-2018 04:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
the_instigator Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 201
Joined: Nov 2009
Reputation: 0
I Root For: life
Location:
Post: #10
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
Daniel Isom will also be back in the secondary. He was forced into play last year and did real well.[/i]
01-04-2018 04:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rabid Squirrel Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,310
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 40
I Root For: NIU Huskies
Location: St.charles, IL
Post: #11
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-04-2018 03:36 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  Doesn't the Middle LB come back too to soften the Jones loss?

Absolutely. As good as Jones was, when Pugh and Johnson are on the field he's the third best LB.
01-04-2018 05:42 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


17Huskies Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,199
Joined: Oct 2009
Reputation: 12
I Root For: NIU
Location:
Post: #12
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
Agree on the LB's, excited to see how they look next year. I don't think I'd give the RB's a 'better' going into the year.

I'm OK with the WR group, Wesley and Tears seemed to grow a lot during the season.
01-04-2018 06:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
142niu Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 841
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 2
I Root For: NIU
Location:
Post: #13
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
Pugh was a monster until that bicep injury against SDSU took him out. Kyle and Sutton will be the leaders of that D next year.
01-04-2018 06:08 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rabid Squirrel Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,310
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 40
I Root For: NIU Huskies
Location: St.charles, IL
Post: #14
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-04-2018 06:07 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  Agree on the LB's, excited to see how they look next year. I don't think I'd give the RB's a 'better' going into the year.

I'm OK with the WR group, Wesley and Tears seemed to grow a lot during the season.

Huff is the better runner. I think he Can make it in the NFL. But between injuries and what ever the issue with Carey was, it muddled the #1 RB spot. So Harbison may not be better. But I think Carey likes him and he gets a clear shot at #1 so the situation is better. I'm merely commenting on the #1 spot, not overall depth.
01-04-2018 06:14 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Dtownboys Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,182
Joined: Jul 2016
Reputation: 1
I Root For: NIU
Location:
Post: #15
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
Abresch will be a huge special teams loss. He was under the radar but really came up big on punt block situations. I am not certain how many he ended up with but it was more than we've had in several years.
01-05-2018 01:13 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ColoradoSpringsHuskie Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 160
Joined: Aug 2013
Reputation: 2
I Root For: NIU
Location: Colorado Springs
Post: #16
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-05-2018 01:13 AM)Dtownboys Wrote:  Abresch will be a huge special teams loss. He was under the radar but really came up big on punt block situations. I am not certain how many he ended up with but it was more than we've had in several years.

Abresch (and Lurry) were both aggressive football players with a special talent, for sure. Unfortunately both tried to make open field tackles by diving at the feet of oncoming ball carriers, which is not very effective against strong running backs.

Looking forward to Pugh and Smith on defense in 2018. In my humble opinion, the team needs to forget about the chip on one's shoulder and play like they have a fire in their belly, like Smith does.

When I watch Smith play, I'm reminded of this scene in the movie, "Rudy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8c6j-LS-ZI
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2018 01:15 PM by ColoradoSpringsHuskie.)
01-06-2018 01:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


VegasHuskie Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 726
Joined: Sep 2014
Reputation: 19
I Root For: NIU
Location: Las Vegas
Post: #17
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-04-2018 11:04 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The 2017 senior starters and their likely 2018 replacement. Better, worse, or same:

Safety:17 Allen - 18 Foster = Worse Allen was consistently one of the top tacklers on D. Coverage at times was so-so.

WR: 17 Beebe - 18 DJ Brown = Same. We all love Beebe, but you have to be on the field to make an impact.

WR: 17 Blake - 18 Wesley = Better. Multiple options for this spot. I went with Wesley even though he could end up in the slot. If he does, then the Beebe spot goes to Better and Parchment is here and it is Same with a good possibility of better.

RB: 17 Huff - !8 Harbison = Better. Same reason as Beebe. Huff was great at times, but you gotta stay on the field to produce. Harbs may be a star in the making.

LB: 17 Jones IV - 18 Deveaux = Worse. Big drop off here. Very young and unproven. This will be a camp battle for the new starter.

DT: 17 - Lee - 18 Heflin/Kramer = Same. Such a rotation here I just grabbed the best young guys. Lee was very solid. Heflin or Kramer may prove to be better. Was close to going better here.

CB: 17 Lurry - 18 Embry = Worse. Lurry was special. He gambled and lost at times, but he could change a game.

TE: 17 Wimann - 18 Brinkman = Worse. TD machine. Hopefully next season we have a better WR group and the TE won't need to be such a big part of the passing game.

While there are more Worse than Betters, I think theres a lot of talent that just isn't proven. Some other positions will improve as unproven players get a chance. I think 2 true freshman CBs play in '18 as that position is really thin.

Others leaving who played : Abresch, Olootu, Saffold, Sanders, Schwab.

Interesting post, Squirrel. Good analysis. My initial reaction was to disagree with your RB declaration, however after giving it a think, you are probably correct. I don't necessarily think Harbison will ever be more talented than Huff, however for reasons none of us will ever know, Carey just didn't like Huff. Lets hope that Harbison gets the opportunity to produce and prove you correct.
01-06-2018 11:57 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
NIUfrank Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 577
Joined: Dec 2017
Reputation: 0
I Root For: NIU
Location:
Post: #18
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
We know Smith will regress stat-wise but hopefully he can disrupt and command double teams. Hoping lorbeck gets more time on opposite edge..i don't want to see his time wasted backing up Smith for 3 years.

We have great lb depth with lersch, Gregory, so red shirt Jennings and look good for 2019.

I think Ben Leroy will have breakout year.

I'm also hoping Haney starts instead of embry.
(This post was last modified: 01-07-2018 11:21 AM by NIUfrank.)
01-07-2018 09:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rabid Squirrel Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,310
Joined: Feb 2014
Reputation: 40
I Root For: NIU Huskies
Location: St.charles, IL
Post: #19
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
(01-06-2018 11:57 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 11:04 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The 2017 senior starters and their likely 2018 replacement. Better, worse, or same:

Safety:17 Allen - 18 Foster = Worse Allen was consistently one of the top tacklers on D. Coverage at times was so-so.

WR: 17 Beebe - 18 DJ Brown = Same. We all love Beebe, but you have to be on the field to make an impact.

WR: 17 Blake - 18 Wesley = Better. Multiple options for this spot. I went with Wesley even though he could end up in the slot. If he does, then the Beebe spot goes to Better and Parchment is here and it is Same with a good possibility of better.

RB: 17 Huff - !8 Harbison = Better. Same reason as Beebe. Huff was great at times, but you gotta stay on the field to produce. Harbs may be a star in the making.

LB: 17 Jones IV - 18 Deveaux = Worse. Big drop off here. Very young and unproven. This will be a camp battle for the new starter.

DT: 17 - Lee - 18 Heflin/Kramer = Same. Such a rotation here I just grabbed the best young guys. Lee was very solid. Heflin or Kramer may prove to be better. Was close to going better here.

CB: 17 Lurry - 18 Embry = Worse. Lurry was special. He gambled and lost at times, but he could change a game.

TE: 17 Wimann - 18 Brinkman = Worse. TD machine. Hopefully next season we have a better WR group and the TE won't need to be such a big part of the passing game.

While there are more Worse than Betters, I think theres a lot of talent that just isn't proven. Some other positions will improve as unproven players get a chance. I think 2 true freshman CBs play in '18 as that position is really thin.

Others leaving who played : Abresch, Olootu, Saffold, Sanders, Schwab.

Interesting post, Squirrel. Good analysis. My initial reaction was to disagree with your RB declaration, however after giving it a think, you are probably correct. I don't necessarily think Harbison will ever be more talented than Huff, however for reasons none of us will ever know, Carey just didn't like Huff. Lets hope that Harbison gets the opportunity to produce and prove you correct.

I want this team to get back to a featured RB circa 2015 when Bouagnon had 280 carries to Huff's 80 (those numbers should have been reversed, but that's another story). And while Hare was healthy, he was only rushing about 10 carries a game that year. Give Harbs 20+ carries a game. Let Mister be his clear Back-up with a few carries just to give Harbs a rest. Make Milton you change-of-pace back for 7 or 8 carries and have Jones be his back up. Limit Childers to 8 carries a game just to keep the defense guessing.

I want the O-line to be a down hill blocking group that can fire off the snap and be aggressive. Make things easier for Childers until he improves.
01-07-2018 11:22 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
NIUfrank Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 577
Joined: Dec 2017
Reputation: 0
I Root For: NIU
Location:
Post: #20
RE: 2017 starters leaving and their 2018 replacements
I'm still hoping it's open qb battle, but will Carey do this?

Also I think if they open up right tackle Isaac hawn should beat out Roberts. Then move hawn to left 2019 and roberts can start at RT again in 2019 for his final season.
(This post was last modified: 01-07-2018 11:29 AM by NIUfrank.)
01-07-2018 11:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.