(12-29-2017 07:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 05:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Carolinas are a relatively untapped enrolment market for Belmont with better schools. A move to the Southern is a nobrainer.

(12-29-2017 06:42 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont to the SoCon is another Nodak fantasy to form the Big North fantasy league.

Hmm. It's possible, even probable, that NoDak wants Belmont to the SoCon because it opens an OVC spot for Western Illinois, who he wants to "get rid of" from the Summit. But it's a plausible idea.

Let's look at where Belmont's freshmen come from. http://www.belmont.edu/admissions/glance...index.html

TN 461
TX 131
IL 131
GA 73
CA 64
OH 58
IN 50
KY 46
NC 45

Possible Conferences
OVC: TN x 5, KY x 3, IL x 2, AL, MO
MVC: IL x 4, IN x 3, IA x 2, MO
SoCon: TN x 2, SC x 3, NC x2, GA, AL, VA

If it were all about enrollment and big cities, they'd make a play for the Horizon, with schools in (or next to) Chicago, Detroit, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Cincinatti and Dayton.

Missouri Valley gets them more exposure in Indiana, Chicago and downstate Illinois.

I don't know.

Lipscomb would be an immediate replacement for Belmont. All of Murray St, EKU, and Jacksonville St want out of the OVC, so Belmont's decision is easy. Belmont is a hub for the Country and Christian music and business scene so the Carolinas should be a natural more so than the Horizon or even MVC.

(12-29-2017 07:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 06:42 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont to the SoCon is another Nodak fantasy to form the Big North fantasy league.

The Belmont admin must be living in a fantasy world too, as they switched men's soccer from the Horizon to the SoCon.

A non revenue sport got moved to a league where the travel costs are less. SoCon road trip is now on average 369 miles. Horizon League was an average of 474 miles.

Combined with their farthest trip in the OVC is to St. Louis suburbs which is around 300 miles or so. They are in the perfect spot for all of their sports.

Continue on with your fantasy land.

(12-30-2017 01:03 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 06:42 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont to the SoCon is another Nodak fantasy to form the Big North fantasy league.

The Belmont admin must be living in a fantasy world too, as they switched men's soccer from the Horizon to the SoCon.

A non revenue sport got moved to a league where the travel costs are less. SoCon road trip is now on average 369 miles. Horizon League was an average of 474 miles.

Combined with their farthest trip in the OVC is to St. Louis suburbs which is around 300 miles or so. They are in the perfect spot for all of their sports.

Continue on with your fantasy land.

MissourI St is an outlier in the MVC. The OVC has better geography so if an MSU President wants to move its pathetic programs the OVC would listen.

Belmon't needs to be associated with similar pridate colleyes. Furman, Wofford, Samford, and Mercer are much bether fits then Austin Peay, Tenn Tech, and SE Mo St.

(12-30-2017 04:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 01:03 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 06:42 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont to the SoCon is another Nodak fantasy to form the Big North fantasy league.

The Belmont admin must be living in a fantasy world too, as they switched men's soccer from the Horizon to the SoCon.

A non revenue sport got moved to a league where the travel costs are less. SoCon road trip is now on average 369 miles. Horizon League was an average of 474 miles.

Combined with their farthest trip in the OVC is to St. Louis suburbs which is around 300 miles or so. They are in the perfect spot for all of their sports.

Continue on with your fantasy land.

MissourI St is an outlier in the MVC. The OVC has better geography so if an MSU President wants to move its pathetic programs the OVC would listen.

Belmon't needs to be associated with similar pridate colleyes. Furman, Wofford, Samford, and Mercer are much bether fits then Austin Peay, Tenn Tech, and SE Mo St.

Nationally the OVC doesn't have the name of the MVC or Southern Conference.

However the OVC has a lot of tradition at the D1 level and is an established product in that region so there is some relative prestige to it.

(12-29-2017 07:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Hockey-first schools historically don’t do well in hoops (Denver, UNO, UND, WMU, BG, Mia, BU). Miami was very good in hoops, but as soon as they exploded in hockey, hoops regressed to mediocrity. This switch gradually occurred in the 2000s.

Seems like Badger hockey needs to go in the crapper for Wisco mbb to be good.

Comparing Wisconsin to the schools mentioned... funny stuff. What is WI's overall athletic budget compared to UND? How about their revenues? Hockey is a drain on a smaller athletic department. Especially one like UND who also have football. I know, you will post some crazy revenue numbers, but if your posts were accurate UND would not be switching leagues, cutting sports and employees.

If UND are to fulfill your dream of FBS football, they need to drop hockey. That is not going to happen. So get used to FCS. Look at it from a more positive perspective. Once UND switches to the Summit/MVFC, you will be in two stronger leagues. That alone may bring up your level of play on in FB and BB.

(01-02-2018 10:15 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Hockey-first schools historically don’t do well in hoops (Denver, UNO, UND, WMU, BG, Mia, BU). Miami was very good in hoops, but as soon as they exploded in hockey, hoops regressed to mediocrity. This switch gradually occurred in the 2000s.

Seems like Badger hockey needs to go in the crapper for Wisco mbb to be good.

Comparing Wisconsin to the schools mentioned... funny stuff. What is WI's overall athletic budget compared to UND? How about their revenues? Hockey is a drain on a smaller athletic department. Especially one like UND who also have football. I know, you will post some crazy revenue numbers, but if your posts were accurate UND would not be switching leagues, cutting sports and employees.

If UND are to fulfill your dream of FBS football, they need to drop hockey. That is not going to happen. So get used to FCS. Look at it from a more positive perspective. Once UND switches to the Summit/MVFC, you will be in two stronger leagues. That alone may bring up your level of play on in FB and BB.

Went to an Avalanche game over Chistmas break, and it wasn't much different than a UND game except the Colorado crowd was so lifeless.

You have proven yourself totally ignorant and downright stupid with the above comment.

SDSU only dreams of 250,00 in total attendance yet UND gets it for just men's hockey with many NHL stars

(01-02-2018 11:26 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:15 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Hockey-first schools historically don’t do well in hoops (Denver, UNO, UND, WMU, BG, Mia, BU). Miami was very good in hoops, but as soon as they exploded in hockey, hoops regressed to mediocrity. This switch gradually occurred in the 2000s.

Seems like Badger hockey needs to go in the crapper for Wisco mbb to be good.

Comparing Wisconsin to the schools mentioned... funny stuff. What is WI's overall athletic budget compared to UND? How about their revenues? Hockey is a drain on a smaller athletic department. Especially one like UND who also have football. I know, you will post some crazy revenue numbers, but if your posts were accurate UND would not be switching leagues, cutting sports and employees.

If UND are to fulfill your dream of FBS football, they need to drop hockey. That is not going to happen. So get used to FCS. Look at it from a more positive perspective. Once UND switches to the Summit/MVFC, you will be in two stronger leagues. That alone may bring up your level of play on in FB and BB.

Went to an Avalanche game over Chistmas break, and it wasn't much different than a UND game except the Colorado crowd was so lifeless.

You have proven yourself totally ignorant and downright stupid with the above comment.

SDSU only dreams of 250,00 in total attendance yet UND gets it for just men's hockey with many NHL stars

You prove my point. Even the NHL is niche compared to the NFL, NBA, MLB. Again, look at your reality. You stated 250K in attendance yet your athletic department is struggling to keep their head above water. UND are hurting. Your FB stinks, BB stinks. You pay your coaches peanuts compared to your piers. In every sport but hockey you are irrelevant in your own state. How many of those 250K are driving up from Fargo, and are Bison FB fans? My guess, at least a 1/4 or more. College hockey is a drain for small and medium athletic departments who also have FB. Deal with it. Drop it, drop FB or go back down to D2. Those may be your only options if things don't improve.

Why should UND drop a sport they lead attendance nationwide in, outdraw NHL teams, and is their claim to fame and moneymaker?

(01-04-2018 08:52 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Why should UND drop a sport they lead attendance nationwide in, outdraw NHL teams, and is their claim to fame and moneymaker?

AIl women's hockey teams lose major bucks. UND averaged 1000 for its game attendance, and that is only becase ticket were $1 for a Gopher series that was laden with Olympic talent on both sides. The Gophers or Badgers normaIly lead nationally in attendance with 2000 per game. They can afford to constantly underwrite losses. No NCAA school in Michigan is so foolish to sponsor it.

Womens hockey does no allow checking, so it's not really hockey. The sport has not really taken off attendance wise even in Minnesota . It's like a comparing the WNBA to the NBA.

(01-04-2018 09:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 08:52 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Why should UND drop a sport they lead attendance nationwide in, outdraw NHL teams, and is their claim to fame and moneymaker?

AIl women's hockey teams lose major bucks. UND averaged 1000 for its game attendance, and that is only becase ticket were $1 for a Gopher series that was laden with Olympic talent on both sides. The Gophers or Badgers normaIly lead nationally in attendance with 2000 per game. They can afford to constantly underwrite losses. No NCAA school in Michigan is so foolish to sponsor it.

Womens hockey does no allow checking, so it's not really hockey. The sport has not really taken off attendance wise even in Minnesota . It's like a comparing the WNBA to the NBA.

Who was talking about womens' hockey?

Sorry. The jackfans post was nothing but a usual troll post by him. I wrongly responded to a question for his troll post.

You do bring up a good point though: if women’s hockey stinks so bad, why does UND continue to sponsor it?? What about indoor volleyball or indoor women’s track or something? I know that Title IX is an issue, but isn’t there a profitable workaround?? Something that female athletes do like and is very popular in the state ??

(01-05-2018 04:04 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  You do bring up a good point though: if women’s hockey stinks so bad, why does UND continue to sponsor it?? What about indoor volleyball or indoor women’s track or something? I know that Title IX is an issue, but isn’t there a profitable workaround?? Something that female athletes do like and is very popular in the state ??

UND dropped women's hockey last year, saving $2 million a year. It seems to be constantly brought up by SJW, journalists, and XDSU fans who hate anything hockey.

The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.

(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.

I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.

I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No

(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.

I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No

You guys added a lot of lousy schools lately.

Evansville
Loyola-Chicago

They both suck.

(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.

I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No

There aren't many other private schools out there that would maintain the public/private balance if Murray St is added. Belmont would another but they don't seem interested. Outside of those 2 I don't see another private school

(01-06-2018 06:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.

I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No

There aren't many other private schools out there that would maintain the public/private balance if Murray St is added. Belmont would another but they don't seem interested. Outside of those 2 I don't see another private school

Didn't the balance change, anyway, when public Wichita was replaced with private Valpo?