I too disagree with the “gradually improved” comment. I would say a slow decline to above average. For heavens sake he inherited a strong program and we are pretty good now. Though it is tough to maintain that level of dominance. I agree with others, no to extension but not worth cost of buyout

(12-30-2017 11:48 AM)DeKalb57 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 10:10 AM)Skinut Wrote:  Again, to the basic question. . . why?

I can't believe I'm typing this but, here's a very "Basic" answer - He's been "serviceable" - C+ - B-

Under his leadership:

*We're consistently in the MAC hunt.
*We consistently go to Bowling - 4 in 5 years
*We consistently recruit our area.
*He hasn't sexually harassed anyone.
*He's not going anywhere.
*He's gradually improved.

If you take a look at just the facts, he's as good as/better than most of our Head Coaches within the last 50 years.

Every time you go to the "hiring window", there is risk - risk of hiring: Sadler, Corso, Culpepper, Ippoliti or; risk of hiring someone who is here for 2 years and bails and, you find yourself back at the window again.

I'm no fan but, the more and more I think about it, we could (& have) do MUCH worse.

Take a look here for basic facts: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch...-illinois/

His 5 year stretch is the 2nd best 5 year stretch within the last 50 years; only topped by what Novak built and Kill/Doeren reaped the benefits of...

Are we a little "down"? Yes. We are also missing an impact player - Harnisch, Turner, Wolfe, Lynch, etc... You could argue, we are benchmarking against the golden era of NIU football players.

Take note of how our other Top coaches did in the absence of individuals of that caliber.

When I said he has improved, I really meant at coachspeak - bowl comments not withstanding. I believe he has grown.

Believe me, I'm no fan but, given the financial position of the university and, his debatable success, I do not believe his performance is such that he should be fired. Pressured? Absolutely...

I also remember some of the true garbage coaches we've had in many sports. While our complaints of him have merit, if you look at the facts, I believe he's serviceable, as the facts seem to indicate.

Further, if our next 5 with him is the same as the last 5, I'd take it. Therein lies the argument for a change...

Yeah you’re sadly mistaken if you think he’s going to be here for 5 more years.

I hate the 5 yr stretch logic. We've found out how deceptive 8 win season in the MAC can be this year more than ever(No wins vs winning records). His first 2 years are holding him up.

He inherited a good program that can win in spite of him but you can't continue with him or you'll venture into pre-novak times. Especially if other MAC teams make good young hires.

(12-30-2017 05:10 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  I hate the 5 yr stretch logic. We've found out how deceptive 8 win season in the MAC can be this year more than ever(No wins vs winning records). His first 2 years are holding him up.

He inherited a good program that can win in spite of him but you can't continue with him or you'll venture into pre-novak times. Especially if other MAC teams make good young hires.

Yup. The “we used to suck so it’s ok if Carey sucks now” logic is pretty bad too. It’s like we never made the Orange Bowl.

We were a mid-major power. An elite G5 team. Sure that’s not saying much in the grand scheme of things of major college football but those are small victories for a small school. We regressed from that to some people being content for competing for division titles in a crap conference.

(12-30-2017 05:42 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 05:10 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  I hate the 5 yr stretch logic. We've found out how deceptive 8 win season in the MAC can be this year more than ever(No wins vs winning records). His first 2 years are holding him up.

He inherited a good program that can win in spite of him but you can't continue with him or you'll venture into pre-novak times. Especially if other MAC teams make good young hires.

Yup. The “we used to suck so it’s ok if Carey sucks now” logic is pretty bad too. It’s like we never made the Orange Bowl.

We were a mid-major power. An elite G5 team. Sure that’s not saying much in the grand scheme of things of major college football but those are small victories for a small school. We regressed from that to some people being content for competing for division titles in a crap conference.

When we were ranked a few years in a row we were always mentioned when elite G5 were being discussed. That has since slipped over the last 3 years.

(12-30-2017 07:53 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 05:42 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 05:10 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  I hate the 5 yr stretch logic. We've found out how deceptive 8 win season in the MAC can be this year more than ever(No wins vs winning records). His first 2 years are holding him up.

He inherited a good program that can win in spite of him but you can't continue with him or you'll venture into pre-novak times. Especially if other MAC teams make good young hires.

Yup. The “we used to suck so it’s ok if Carey sucks now” logic is pretty bad too. It’s like we never made the Orange Bowl.

We were a mid-major power. An elite G5 team. Sure that’s not saying much in the grand scheme of things of major college football but those are small victories for a small school. We regressed from that to some people being content for competing for division titles in a crap conference.

When we were ranked a few years in a row we were always mentioned when elite G5 were being discussed. That has since slipped over the last 3 years.

That should have said “big victories for a small school.”

I remember having a really long home winning streak. Being near the top of lists such as “most wins in the last x amount of years”

I guess regression is to be expected but not to the point of for example.... losing at home to a FCS school and missing a bowl or getting blown out year after year in bowls.

The one good thing is next years out of conference schedule is brutal and will set the tone for the rest of the season, I don’t see Carey surviving into 2019.

Not sure if you guys noticed, but Toledo had 11 wins this year and never sniffed the top 25. The days of MAC teams being ranked without being undefeated and having two power 5 wins are over. A three loss AAC team or 2 loss MWC team would have beat out a one loss WMU last year. WMU just played a joke of a schedule and got into the cotton bowl, but had they lost anywhere along the way, even winning the MAC wouldn’t have been enough for them. And they promptly followed it up with a six win season. The MAC is seen, and rightfully so, as the worst FBS football conference. Your hopes of rankings and national attention will never come without playing the type of schedule we are playing next year, every year. Your expectations of NIU are way too high given today’s college climate. This isn’t 03, 04, 05, or even 2012 anymore. The gap has widened to an almost insurmountable space. I’m not sure what you guys are expecting, but if you get real for a second maybe you can start to see NIU as it is. A consistent and competing good team in a terrible conference, that will eventually luck into the P5 with the proper alumni and corporate support, will be stuck in G5 purgatory forever which would eventually mean a G5 playoff (maybe even in the spring), or the FCS. So for now, we have to play these impossible schedules and hope we find the next Lynch, Turner, or Wolfe to try and be competitive in them.

The days of MAC teams being ranked is not over! again WMU last year in case you forget!

We don't need a big schedule. We just need alot of wins you stubborn f,ucks!

You just need consecutive years of double digit wins to gain momentum. We won't get that with s,hit ball Carey

DogPound not sure days are over as WMU was in Cotton Bowl last year, but the best days of the MAC are probably in retreat. What has changed profoundly is population. The SunBelt and CUSA are in areas with more players than the MAC and more INTENSE football fans.. Ten years ago FAU,FIU, App State, Charlotte etc..etc.. were not D1 and now they are D1. Some of those schools did not give out scholarships and some were limited to 65. Getting the Jimmy Ward types out of the South is much more difficult.

(12-30-2017 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  The days of MAC teams being ranked is not over! again WMU last year in case you forget!

We don't need a big schedule. We just need alot of wins you stubborn f,ucks!

You just need consecutive years of double digit wins to gain momentum. We won't get that with s,hit ball Carey

Frank, you seem upset

(12-30-2017 09:31 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  The days of MAC teams being ranked is not over! again WMU last year in case you forget!

We don't need a big schedule. We just need alot of wins you stubborn f,ucks!

You just need consecutive years of double digit wins to gain momentum. We won't get that with s,hit ball Carey

Frank, you seem upset

Somebody please write a check like the U of I alumni do to get rid of a coach.

(12-30-2017 11:43 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:31 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  The days of MAC teams being ranked is not over! again WMU last year in case you forget!

We don't need a big schedule. We just need alot of wins you stubborn f,ucks!

You just need consecutive years of double digit wins to gain momentum. We won't get that with s,hit ball Carey

Frank, you seem upset

Somebody please write a check like the U of I alumni do to get rid of a coach.

Yeah, we don’t have that kind of money. Unless PrideInThePack has been killing it at his lemonade stand.

U of I spent MILLIONS on honest to god Lovie Smith, and Carey embarrassed him when it came to recruiting the state of Illinois. Be careful what you wish for....

(12-30-2017 11:51 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 11:43 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:31 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  The days of MAC teams being ranked is not over! again WMU last year in case you forget!

We don't need a big schedule. We just need alot of wins you stubborn f,ucks!

You just need consecutive years of double digit wins to gain momentum. We won't get that with s,hit ball Carey

Frank, you seem upset

Somebody please write a check like the U of I alumni do to get rid of a coach.

Yeah, we don’t have that kind of money. Unless PrideInThePack has been killing it at his lemonade stand.

U of I spent MILLIONS on honest to god Lovie Smith, and Carey embarrassed him when it came to recruiting the state of Illinois. Be careful what you wish for....

Maybe if he put vodka in it and sold it outside huskie stadium ^^

(12-30-2017 11:51 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 11:43 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:31 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  The days of MAC teams being ranked is not over! again WMU last year in case you forget!

We don't need a big schedule. We just need alot of wins you stubborn f,ucks!

You just need consecutive years of double digit wins to gain momentum. We won't get that with s,hit ball Carey

Frank, you seem upset

Somebody please write a check like the U of I alumni do to get rid of a coach.

Yeah, we don’t have that kind of money. Unless PrideInThePack has been killing it at his lemonade stand.

U of I spent MILLIONS on honest to god Lovie Smith, and Carey embarrassed him when it came to recruiting the state of Illinois. Be careful what you wish for....

For those who don’t get the reference...

He’s still upset from a couple days ago. (The “joke” still isn’t funny.)

The funny part of the whole thing is that I never once called for Carey to be fired. He thinks I want Carey fired because I showed displeasure with his coaching. DPN created that argument once he was backed into a corner by me.

(12-30-2017 11:51 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 11:43 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:31 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  The days of MAC teams being ranked is not over! again WMU last year in case you forget!

We don't need a big schedule. We just need alot of wins you stubborn f,ucks!

You just need consecutive years of double digit wins to gain momentum. We won't get that with s,hit ball Carey

Frank, you seem upset

Somebody please write a check like the U of I alumni do to get rid of a coach.

Yeah, we don’t have that kind of money. Unless PrideInThePack has been killing it at his lemonade stand.

U of I spent MILLIONS on honest to god Lovie Smith, and Carey embarrassed him when it came to recruiting the state of Illinois. Be careful what you wish for....

Embarrassed him? I hate lovie but don't get cocky. He got higher rated kids from Florida and Texas.

I'm not upset from bowl game dogpound. I don't know your opinion. I didn't think they would win bowl game and I've not liked Carey since day one.rash hire of a vastly under-qualified guy. Who would be excited about a D3 O line coach.

I have tried to be a Carey supporter since he took over the HC role. I thought last year he coached better than his record, and his team showed improvement. This year was the opposite. I thought his record would indicate that he coached much better than he actually did, and most importantly, the team did not improve. The Big 10’s strong showing this bowl season makes the Nebraska win that much more impressive, and we were playing very well heading into conference. However, as the season went on, we looked more and more like a good, not great, MAC team. We played some of our worst football the last part of our schedule. Fans are completely justified in questioning his decision making/coaching this year.

No extension. . . no question.

NO.

There should have been a poll for this.