The unofficial online home for fans of the Old Dominion University Monarchs. Part of Collegiate Sports Nation (CSN).

(12-24-2017 01:17 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Nobody is saying that ODAF should take the three figure donors for granted. ODAF is doing as much as they can with the money they have, IMO. We are an outlier in CUSA. It costs us as much or more than every other conference member to travel. That is a HUGE hurdle. All I'm saying is that if you're TRULY passionate about ODU's success, do something about it. If you pay more in your cell phone bill each year than your donation to ODAF, I can't really take your commitment seriously. If you're not committed to improving the position ODU Athletics is in, why even waste your time typing the same thing over and over on the internet?

I'll issue a challenge to anyone who wants to fire JJ, BW, Broderick, etc: If you double your contribution to ODAF, I will match it. All of you vocal posters. I'll match all of you. Let's see whether you're committed to ODU or just internet warriors. If you're not serious about helping, I am going to request that you sit back and chill and let the people who are part of the solution discuss the topics at hand.

Why up my donation when it seems the funds I'm already donating are being poorly allocated? Prove to me that my dollars will actually lead to excellence in men's basketball and football, then I will be compelled to donate more. Maybe they should ask all the "middle class" donors what they could do to earn more of our money.

I guarantee you I don't want a gift certificate or a tumbler, or any other swag. I want championships, and if this admin proves to me that they are committed to getting them, my donations will reflect that commitment. The problem is that they want us to keep upping our commitment while many of us feel they are committed to being above average.

Furthermore, if I am wrong, come at me with some transparency about why we have the largest budget by a mile, yet spend less on football and basketball than over half the league. Tell me where the money is going, and why it is a good idea for it to go there instead of going toward competitive coaches' salaries in football and men's basketball.

I'm not asking for the world, just for there to be some transparency, and a listening ear.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

(12-24-2017 04:56 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:09 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:17 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Nobody is saying that ODAF should take the three figure donors for granted. ODAF is doing as much as they can with the money they have, IMO. We are an outlier in CUSA. It costs us as much or more than every other conference member to travel. That is a HUGE hurdle. All I'm saying is that if you're TRULY passionate about ODU's success, do something about it. If you pay more in your cell phone bill each year than your donation to ODAF, I can't really take your commitment seriously. If you're not committed to improving the position ODU Athletics is in, why even waste your time typing the same thing over and over on the internet?

I'll issue a challenge to anyone who wants to fire JJ, BW, Broderick, etc: If you double your contribution to ODAF, I will match it. All of you vocal posters. I'll match all of you. Let's see whether you're committed to ODU or just internet warriors. If you're not serious about helping, I am going to request that you sit back and chill and let the people who are part of the solution discuss the topics at hand.

Sorry I just went back and read this. You are going to match everyone's donation? I'm in but I want proof. Let me know how to make it happen but I think I just called your bluff. I mean, we can walk into the ODAF office together and I will have a dozen people with me.

I'll specifically match the negative posters who double their donation. I guarantee I'll have to throw in extra money on top of what I match to equal what I typically donate. I HOPE that all of the vocal detractors prove me wrong and I actually have to increase my donation. My guess is I'll be sadly disappointed in how little the vocal detractors actually care about fixing the problems they so adamantly post about.

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

We would get a lot more accomplished if folks like you threatened to stop donating until they fix the allocation than we will if a few posters up their donation. I challenge you to do your part. Call ODAF and tell them that you will not donate another penny until there is a full, public audit of athletic expenses and a plan to fund our football and men's basketball coaching staffs at a level not lower than 3rd highest in CUSA, then I will double my donation and hold it in escrow until there is a concrete plan. Come on big baller. Throw your influence around to make a positive change.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:56 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:09 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:17 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Nobody is saying that ODAF should take the three figure donors for granted. ODAF is doing as much as they can with the money they have, IMO. We are an outlier in CUSA. It costs us as much or more than every other conference member to travel. That is a HUGE hurdle. All I'm saying is that if you're TRULY passionate about ODU's success, do something about it. If you pay more in your cell phone bill each year than your donation to ODAF, I can't really take your commitment seriously. If you're not committed to improving the position ODU Athletics is in, why even waste your time typing the same thing over and over on the internet?

I'll issue a challenge to anyone who wants to fire JJ, BW, Broderick, etc: If you double your contribution to ODAF, I will match it. All of you vocal posters. I'll match all of you. Let's see whether you're committed to ODU or just internet warriors. If you're not serious about helping, I am going to request that you sit back and chill and let the people who are part of the solution discuss the topics at hand.

Sorry I just went back and read this. You are going to match everyone's donation? I'm in but I want proof. Let me know how to make it happen but I think I just called your bluff. I mean, we can walk into the ODAF office together and I will have a dozen people with me.

I'll specifically match the negative posters who double their donation. I guarantee I'll have to throw in extra money on top of what I match to equal what I typically donate. I HOPE that all of the vocal detractors prove me wrong and I actually have to increase my donation. My guess is I'll be sadly disappointed in how little the vocal detractors actually care about fixing the problems they so adamantly post about.

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

We would get a lot more accomplished if folks like you threatened to stop donating until they fix the allocation than we will if a few posters up their donation. I challenge you to do your part. Call ODAF and tell them that you will not donate another penny until there is a full, public audit of athletic expenses and a plan to fund our football and men's basketball coaching staffs at a level not lower than 3rd highest in CUSA, then I will double my donation and hold it in escrow until there is a concrete plan. Come on big baller. Throw your influence around to make a positive change.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Well said. Why are we the biggest of the budget's in the CUSA and even if we are not since VA makes them report it differently i would like to know where the money is going and why we are not even in the top 5 of the league and can't afford a good coach. I recently learned that our WR coach who was let go, "Arrick Forrest" was being paid 50 k and that surprised and saddened me as we couldn't even afford a decent WR coach. Sheesh where is all the dough going?

(12-24-2017 04:56 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:09 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:17 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Nobody is saying that ODAF should take the three figure donors for granted. ODAF is doing as much as they can with the money they have, IMO. We are an outlier in CUSA. It costs us as much or more than every other conference member to travel. That is a HUGE hurdle. All I'm saying is that if you're TRULY passionate about ODU's success, do something about it. If you pay more in your cell phone bill each year than your donation to ODAF, I can't really take your commitment seriously. If you're not committed to improving the position ODU Athletics is in, why even waste your time typing the same thing over and over on the internet?

I'll issue a challenge to anyone who wants to fire JJ, BW, Broderick, etc: If you double your contribution to ODAF, I will match it. All of you vocal posters. I'll match all of you. Let's see whether you're committed to ODU or just internet warriors. If you're not serious about helping, I am going to request that you sit back and chill and let the people who are part of the solution discuss the topics at hand.

Sorry I just went back and read this. You are going to match everyone's donation? I'm in but I want proof. Let me know how to make it happen but I think I just called your bluff. I mean, we can walk into the ODAF office together and I will have a dozen people with me.

I'll specifically match the negative posters who double their donation. I guarantee I'll have to throw in extra money on top of what I match to equal what I typically donate. I HOPE that all of the vocal detractors prove me wrong and I actually have to increase my donation. My guess is I'll be sadly disappointed in how little the vocal detractors actually care about fixing the problems they so adamantly post about.

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

Again, I'll step up to your challenge and I'm certain I'll have at least a handful of people with me. How can we set this up? I'm unavailable for the next few days but I'm ready to write the check next week.

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:56 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:09 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:17 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Nobody is saying that ODAF should take the three figure donors for granted. ODAF is doing as much as they can with the money they have, IMO. We are an outlier in CUSA. It costs us as much or more than every other conference member to travel. That is a HUGE hurdle. All I'm saying is that if you're TRULY passionate about ODU's success, do something about it. If you pay more in your cell phone bill each year than your donation to ODAF, I can't really take your commitment seriously. If you're not committed to improving the position ODU Athletics is in, why even waste your time typing the same thing over and over on the internet?

I'll issue a challenge to anyone who wants to fire JJ, BW, Broderick, etc: If you double your contribution to ODAF, I will match it. All of you vocal posters. I'll match all of you. Let's see whether you're committed to ODU or just internet warriors. If you're not serious about helping, I am going to request that you sit back and chill and let the people who are part of the solution discuss the topics at hand.

Sorry I just went back and read this. You are going to match everyone's donation? I'm in but I want proof. Let me know how to make it happen but I think I just called your bluff. I mean, we can walk into the ODAF office together and I will have a dozen people with me.

I'll specifically match the negative posters who double their donation. I guarantee I'll have to throw in extra money on top of what I match to equal what I typically donate. I HOPE that all of the vocal detractors prove me wrong and I actually have to increase my donation. My guess is I'll be sadly disappointed in how little the vocal detractors actually care about fixing the problems they so adamantly post about.

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

We would get a lot more accomplished if folks like you threatened to stop donating until they fix the allocation than we will if a few posters up their donation. I challenge you to do your part. Call ODAF and tell them that you will not donate another penny until there is a full, public audit of athletic expenses and a plan to fund our football and men's basketball coaching staffs at a level not lower than 3rd highest in CUSA, then I will double my donation and hold it in escrow until there is a concrete plan. Come on big baller. Throw your influence around to make a positive change.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

What info do you want that isnt public knowledge?

(12-24-2017 10:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:56 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:09 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:17 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Nobody is saying that ODAF should take the three figure donors for granted. ODAF is doing as much as they can with the money they have, IMO. We are an outlier in CUSA. It costs us as much or more than every other conference member to travel. That is a HUGE hurdle. All I'm saying is that if you're TRULY passionate about ODU's success, do something about it. If you pay more in your cell phone bill each year than your donation to ODAF, I can't really take your commitment seriously. If you're not committed to improving the position ODU Athletics is in, why even waste your time typing the same thing over and over on the internet?

I'll issue a challenge to anyone who wants to fire JJ, BW, Broderick, etc: If you double your contribution to ODAF, I will match it. All of you vocal posters. I'll match all of you. Let's see whether you're committed to ODU or just internet warriors. If you're not serious about helping, I am going to request that you sit back and chill and let the people who are part of the solution discuss the topics at hand.

Sorry I just went back and read this. You are going to match everyone's donation? I'm in but I want proof. Let me know how to make it happen but I think I just called your bluff. I mean, we can walk into the ODAF office together and I will have a dozen people with me.

I'll specifically match the negative posters who double their donation. I guarantee I'll have to throw in extra money on top of what I match to equal what I typically donate. I HOPE that all of the vocal detractors prove me wrong and I actually have to increase my donation. My guess is I'll be sadly disappointed in how little the vocal detractors actually care about fixing the problems they so adamantly post about.

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

We would get a lot more accomplished if folks like you threatened to stop donating until they fix the allocation than we will if a few posters up their donation. I challenge you to do your part. Call ODAF and tell them that you will not donate another penny until there is a full, public audit of athletic expenses and a plan to fund our football and men's basketball coaching staffs at a level not lower than 3rd highest in CUSA, then I will double my donation and hold it in escrow until there is a concrete plan. Come on big baller. Throw your influence around to make a positive change.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

What info do you want that isnt public knowledge?

An explanation of why we can't afford to pay our coaches even though we have the largest budget in the league by millions, and why it seems like we are striving for above average. Why is our big budget misleading? If it's not misleading, where have we chosen to spend money that others have not, and how are we working to rectify that. I want plan to get our coaches into the top three on CUSA pay in short order, and I don't want to hear that we need to donate more until I see a clear plan as to how our donations will achieve the goal.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

sit back and chill my ass T-mac

This is the internet

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

Not true. Guess you only read what you wanted to read. Go back, give it a closer look. Make some notes if you need to, then go use your substantial influence to make a positive change in the AD.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

(12-25-2017 11:16 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

I wonder how many non-revenue sports we have and how many we need. If we stuck with basketball, football, baseball, soccer, and wrestling plus whatever women's sports needed to comply, would we be able to cut any and how much money would that free up? Do we need golf, tennis, swimming and diving, and sailing or could they at least be moved to a regional conference so we aren't flying scores of swimmers to El Paso?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

(12-24-2017 11:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 10:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:56 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:09 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Sorry I just went back and read this. You are going to match everyone's donation? I'm in but I want proof. Let me know how to make it happen but I think I just called your bluff. I mean, we can walk into the ODAF office together and I will have a dozen people with me.

I'll specifically match the negative posters who double their donation. I guarantee I'll have to throw in extra money on top of what I match to equal what I typically donate. I HOPE that all of the vocal detractors prove me wrong and I actually have to increase my donation. My guess is I'll be sadly disappointed in how little the vocal detractors actually care about fixing the problems they so adamantly post about.

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

We would get a lot more accomplished if folks like you threatened to stop donating until they fix the allocation than we will if a few posters up their donation. I challenge you to do your part. Call ODAF and tell them that you will not donate another penny until there is a full, public audit of athletic expenses and a plan to fund our football and men's basketball coaching staffs at a level not lower than 3rd highest in CUSA, then I will double my donation and hold it in escrow until there is a concrete plan. Come on big baller. Throw your influence around to make a positive change.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

What info do you want that isnt public knowledge?

An explanation of why we can't afford to pay our coaches even though we have the largest budget in the league by millions, and why it seems like we are striving for above average. Why is our big budget misleading? If it's not misleading, where have we chosen to spend money that others have not, and how are we working to rectify that. I want plan to get our coaches into the top three on CUSA pay in short order, and I don't want to hear that we need to donate more until I see a clear plan as to how our donations will achieve the goal.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

You arent answerikg question. Go theough the budget and see.

(12-25-2017 01:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 11:16 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

I wonder how many non-revenue sports we have and how many we need. If we stuck with basketball, football, baseball, soccer, and wrestling plus whatever women's sports needed to comply, would we be able to cut any and how much money would that free up? Do we need golf, tennis, swimming and diving, and sailing or could they at least be moved to a regional conference so we aren't flying scores of swimmers to El Paso?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

To be D1 you have to have so many sports.

Ironically, none of the sports you listed compete in CUSA matches (outside of the CUSA tournament) and sailing isn’t an NCAA sport

(12-25-2017 11:16 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

Well off the top:
Non coaching salaries
Insurance
Day to day operations
Different support areas (media, academics, that kind of stuff)

Although scholarships probably take up a large percentage of that budget

(12-25-2017 05:36 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 11:16 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

Well off the top:
Non coaching salaries
Insurance
Day to day operations
Different support areas (media, academics, that kind of stuff)

Although scholarships probably take up a large percentage of that budget

Yep i have included all except the insurance and the academic support for the athletics but as far as i know the media folks are mostly GA and are pay be hour students as you can see from the terrible job they do. Anyways like i said we won't know for sure unless we step into Wood Selig or his accountants shoes. I still think we are getting hosed somewhere. I am not a finance Major so i have no freaking idea how they manage these things on a university level.

(12-25-2017 07:44 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 05:36 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 11:16 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

Well off the top:
Non coaching salaries
Insurance
Day to day operations
Different support areas (media, academics, that kind of stuff)

Although scholarships probably take up a large percentage of that budget

Yep i have included all except the insurance and the academic support for the athletics but as far as i know the media folks are mostly GA and are pay be hour students as you can see from the terrible job they do. Anyways like i said we won't know for sure unless we step into Wood Selig or his accountants shoes. I still think we are getting hosed somewhere. I am not a finance Major so i have no freaking idea how they manage these things on a university level.

You’re joking right? If you actually looked at the staff directory, you would see 5 full time staff members in external media and 7 in creative services.

You probably should just walk away from this conversation because you clearly didnt even check to see how many full time non staff members are in athletics.

I stand by statement before:

Non coaching staff members and Scholarships (since you probably don’t realize out of state cost more), eat up A LOT of that budget

(12-25-2017 09:55 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 07:44 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 05:36 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 11:16 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 03:40 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The athletic budget is public record. All your questions can be answered here: http://www.google.com

Sent from my Pixel XL using CSNbbs mobile app

As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

Well off the top:
Non coaching salaries
Insurance
Day to day operations
Different support areas (media, academics, that kind of stuff)

Although scholarships probably take up a large percentage of that budget

Yep i have included all except the insurance and the academic support for the athletics but as far as i know the media folks are mostly GA and are pay be hour students as you can see from the terrible job they do. Anyways like i said we won't know for sure unless we step into Wood Selig or his accountants shoes. I still think we are getting hosed somewhere. I am not a finance Major so i have no freaking idea how they manage these things on a university level.

You’re joking right? If you actually looked at the staff directory, you would see 5 full time staff members in external media and 7 in creative services.

You probably should just walk away from this conversation because you clearly didnt even check to see how many full time non staff members are in athletics.

I stand by statement before:

Non coaching staff members and Scholarships (since you probably don’t realize out of state cost more), eat up A LOT of that budget

Dude i am not here to argue with you about how many on staff, how many coaching, how many not coaching yada yada yada. Rest of the schools do that too,. Are you saying rest of the schools in the conference pay their non coaching staff a fraction of what our non-coaching staff gets paid or what?

P.S. yes i haven't checked the staff directory but i would assume rest of the schools have similar staff assignments with similar pay etc.

(12-25-2017 10:24 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 09:55 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 07:44 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 05:36 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 11:16 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  As far as i can tell, What we can obtain from internet are the over all budget(revenue generated and and expenses) , Coaches Salaries(USA Today) and Travel expenses released by ODU often through a FOIA or something and are circulated around by Harry. These doesn't tell you the whole story. Where's all that 35MM or what ever we say we spent are going? I am sure tallying Coaches Salaries, Travel expenses won't even come close to that figure and of course we have the operations and scholarships that take a significant chunk too but are they all really costing us ~35 MM really? Guess we will never know unless Wood Selig himself demystifies those numbers for us.

Well off the top:
Non coaching salaries
Insurance
Day to day operations
Different support areas (media, academics, that kind of stuff)

Although scholarships probably take up a large percentage of that budget

Yep i have included all except the insurance and the academic support for the athletics but as far as i know the media folks are mostly GA and are pay be hour students as you can see from the terrible job they do. Anyways like i said we won't know for sure unless we step into Wood Selig or his accountants shoes. I still think we are getting hosed somewhere. I am not a finance Major so i have no freaking idea how they manage these things on a university level.

You’re joking right? If you actually looked at the staff directory, you would see 5 full time staff members in external media and 7 in creative services.

You probably should just walk away from this conversation because you clearly didnt even check to see how many full time non staff members are in athletics.

I stand by statement before:

Non coaching staff members and Scholarships (since you probably don’t realize out of state cost more), eat up A LOT of that budget

Dude i am not here to argue with you about how many on staff, how many coaching, how many not coaching yada yada yada. Rest of the schools do that too,. Are you saying rest of the schools in the conference pay their non coaching staff a fraction of what our non-coaching staff gets paid or what?

P.S. yes i haven't checked the staff directory but i would assume rest of the schools have similar staff assignments with similar pay etc.

You literally assumed our sports media staff were interns so i highly doubt you have any idea what other schools are doing.

I am saying that ODU probably spends more on travel than a lot of the CUSA schools. Correct me if i am wrong but we have teams that charter flights vs fly commerical. I am pretty sure ODU is spending money in places you can’t even begin to realize

(12-26-2017 12:04 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 10:24 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 09:55 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 07:44 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 05:36 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Well off the top:
Non coaching salaries
Insurance
Day to day operations
Different support areas (media, academics, that kind of stuff)

Although scholarships probably take up a large percentage of that budget

Yep i have included all except the insurance and the academic support for the athletics but as far as i know the media folks are mostly GA and are pay be hour students as you can see from the terrible job they do. Anyways like i said we won't know for sure unless we step into Wood Selig or his accountants shoes. I still think we are getting hosed somewhere. I am not a finance Major so i have no freaking idea how they manage these things on a university level.

You’re joking right? If you actually looked at the staff directory, you would see 5 full time staff members in external media and 7 in creative services.

You probably should just walk away from this conversation because you clearly didnt even check to see how many full time non staff members are in athletics.

I stand by statement before:

Non coaching staff members and Scholarships (since you probably don’t realize out of state cost more), eat up A LOT of that budget

Dude i am not here to argue with you about how many on staff, how many coaching, how many not coaching yada yada yada. Rest of the schools do that too,. Are you saying rest of the schools in the conference pay their non coaching staff a fraction of what our non-coaching staff gets paid or what?

P.S. yes i haven't checked the staff directory but i would assume rest of the schools have similar staff assignments with similar pay etc.

You literally assumed our sports media staff were interns so i highly doubt you have any idea what other schools are doing.

I am saying that ODU probably spends more on travel than a lot of the CUSA schools. Correct me if i am wrong but we have teams that charter flights vs fly commerical. I am pretty sure ODU is spending money in places you can’t even begin to realize

That's not what i said, I said mostly GA because i don't see professional quality in most our media works and i am sure there are GA involved even if i don't know the exact allocation and distribution and of course i had no idea what other schools are doing if i did we wouldn't be having this discussion as i would've laid out the stats. There were pretty embarrassing things that our media people has done esp the group that puts together videos for FB like stealing Ohio State's Coach speak and using it in our team video etc which i don't think most of the professionals would do.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-833649.html

I might be wrong. Going back to the travel part. Why do you think we fly charter instead of commercial?I am not sure if the other outlier's in the conference are doing it or not for example the FL twins, UTEP and they have smaller budgets than us for the last 4 years we have been part of the conference. Just because the school is spending in places i can't realize doesn't mean i shouldn't know where they are spending because that ~1500 or so bucks that i donate are hard earned money and i like to hold people accountable when they are playing with any part of it no matter how tiny it seems to outsiders i value my money and i love my school and i will ask questions because i am sensing something isn't adding up.

Depending on the circumstances, a charter flight can be in the same ballpark as commercial. It doesn’t bother me at all when I hear they charter flights. The price difference can be insignificant depending on the destination.