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Will the Mountain West ditch ESPN and go all-digital for sports broadcasts?
boise is one of the leads to get rid of so many late and weeknight games. they think they will be better off with sat aft games. attendance is down. they know their tv deal $$ will take a hit


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RE: Will the Mountain West ditch ESPN and go all-digital for sports broadcasts?
(12-21-2017 11:46 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(12-20-2017 10:39 PM)solohawks Wrote:  It's fun hearing about west coasters complaining about late starts

I was complaining about late starts when I lived in the Central Time Zone. You're right, it is funny for an east coaster but it really makes a statement when people on the west side complain.

It does. We went to Hawaii for our honeymoon and sports began at 2pm there everyday. It was awesome

College football would start at 8am.

It does and it’s great. I can watch the best eastern games in the morning, midwestern games at lunch and west coast games in the afternoon, then head off to Aloha Stadium to see Hawaii kick off at 6:30 p.m.
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RE: Will the Mountain West ditch ESPN and go all-digital for sports broadcasts?
(12-21-2017 12:04 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
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(12-20-2017 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  MWC has been pretty big on the Saturday emphasis.

Remember they ditched ESPN for CSTV (now CBSSN) to avoid weeknights.

When you rely on people to do more than drive across town to watch you play, you can't subject them to too many weeknight games.

Or late-night games, even on Saturday. More than half of the MWC teams are in the situation of expecting a large percentage of their season-ticket holders to travel from at least 90 minutes away. CBSSN sets some MWC games to kick off at 8:30 pm local time. That means a game that ends around midnight, and getting home around 2 am (or later if your drive is even longer). If you're a season ticket holder, how much of that are you going to put up with before you don't renew your season tickets? If the athletic department is counting on a lot of fans to drive in from a long way away and purchase individual tickets for big games, how many ticket sales do they lose when the game kicks off at 8:30 pm, which was the game time for Colorado State's home game vs. Boise in November?

And having CBSSN do this to you, when they pay very little for the TV rights and their TV audiences are so low that they don't even subscribe to the Nielsen rating service, that's just pouring salt in the wound.

I think the MW did the math on eroding "in stadium" revenue and dont see much upside at the current ESPN/CBS-Sports payout--esepcially with the MW Digital Network starting to be profitable. I dont think Stadium will be a big part of the MW picture. Remember, to the best of my knowledge Stadium pays nothing (or close to nothing) for TV rights. I dont think Stadium's current model can be profitable if they are paying much for content.

I think the MW is going end up being the anti-AAC in the next negotiatiin round. The AAC will play anywhere and anytime to get a better deal. Their solid ratings and flexibility will make them a popular dance partner in the next TV negotiations.

The MW is going to do just the opposite of the AAC and will end up with a sort of hybrid deal. They are going to take back control on their start times by having the vast majority of their games on the subscription MW Network. I think they believe they cant keep abusing thier ticket buying fans and need to rebuild that base to get the "in stadium" revenue back to where it needs to be. Thus, they will increase value by significantly reducing the supply of MW games available and by severely limiting the number of late night windows they will play.


The MW will offer a 2-game a week premium package with one game at a good agreeable kick time for MW schools and one game in a late window. Those late window games will be distributed equally among MW teams (one each) so--there will only be 12 late start games sold for the entire season. No single team will have to deal with more than one late window game per year (I thnk ESPN buys this package). If the networks balk or wont pay what the MW wants, the MW will just go all digital. Once that premium plan is sold--a smaller plan with games only at kick times agreeable to MW schools will be offered. Thats probably snapped up by CBS-Sports and probably doesnt bring a lot--but its found money if you were willing to go all digital anyway and it increases exposure.

I think the MW could come out ahead monetarily doing something like that. The question is--do they lose too much on the exposure front by having so many games only on digital platforms? If they do, one adjustment that could tweak the exposure level upward would be to make the MWDN a non-subscription service (like it is now) and let Stadium mirror the games on their OTA-Syndicated Network. If they do this, they could add a MWDN commerical to every televised game to drive more viewership to the new digital network.

I could see this working out for the MW if they are smart and the MWDN has the capacity to competently stream all the games it would need to televise.

The Boise deal adds a wrinkle to this model. The only way this works is if Boise home rights are not sold to TV.

Thats true...but there is a wrinkle. All 12 schools must agree to any media deal (at the very least a majority must agree). So, Boise will probably have make some concessions to make any TV deal attractive enough to their conference mates that they go along with it (otherwise, the other 11 have enough votes to go all digital).
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RE: Will the Mountain West ditch ESPN and go all-digital for sports broadcasts?
The Boise deal adds a wrinkle to this model. The only way this works is if Boise home rights are not sold to TV.
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Thats true...but there is a wrinkle. All 12 schools must agree to any media deal (at the very least a majority must agree). So, Boise will probably have make some concessions to make any TV deal attractive enough to their conference mates that they go along with it (otherwise, the other 11 have enough votes to go all digital).
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I wonder if BSU would take the BYU route at that point and make their own tv deal with espn. Would indy work for the Broncos?
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RE: Will the Mountain West ditch ESPN and go all-digital for sports broadcasts?
Like i said, Boise State is the crown jewel in the MWC right now. Without them? MWC would be regulated to the G4 league.Boise State could get many P5 schools to schedule them if they went Independent. They do not have to worry about the deadwights in the MWC like San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, New Mexico and Wyoming.
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Quote:I wonder if BSU would take the BYU route at that point and make their own tv deal with espn. Would indy work for the Broncos?

They would have to find a home for all sports. Big West, WAC, and Summit would be the only realistic options and they would have to pay the Big West up the nose in travel subsidies if the Big West would work with them at all. The Summit would probably be doable with the Dakota schools and Denver, WAC would take them in a heartbeat
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Would be a mistake unless they think there’s a way they can’t get on local TV as well. They’ll lose fans
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I'd love it if Boise tried going Indy....id feel bad for their fans but talk about pomposity, grandiosity...
A former Jr college who's been D1 for 21 years going Indy with Notre Dame. Hahahaha.... I thought BYU going Indy was bold but this would be truly amazing. DaveySt, Do you think Boise could get a permanent H&H going with ND if you got your way and your Boise boys went Indy?
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I'd be in favor of the Sunbelt going with streaming if they could could get a deal with CBS/Fox for Saturday a game of the week. The SB TV dollars don't nearly make up for lost revenues from Saturday games. As is stands now, our games with GA Southern will never be on Saturday again. The major part of App's fan base is 1 & 1/12 to 2 & 1/12 hrs away and those Thursday night games cost us bigtime. Then take into consideration the hit to season ticket sales with your biggest Saturday draw gone.
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I can't see the MWC going all digital. They are still going to want to have one or two games a week for a network purchase. But I can see the other four being digital.
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(12-23-2017 07:29 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I can't see the MWC going all digital. They are still going to want to have one or two games a week for a network purchase. But I can see the other four being digital.

I dont think they will either--but I do think they are prepared to do it if they dont get some changes (more money/fewer late starts/or likely both).
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(12-21-2017 11:59 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
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(12-19-2017 09:06 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Interesting speculation...


Its not really speculation. Thompson has basically said they are looking at doing that if they dont get a sizable raise from ESPN. Essentially, their schools have studied the issue and believe they are better off catering to the fans in the stadium (kick off times that maximize attendance and in stadium income) than catering to a TV deal that provides minimal income.

The Boise deal plays into this also I believe. They have to give Boise 1.5M off the top of TV rights but not cable rights. So not only do they get better start times they avoid the Boise hostage fee.

That could cause Boise to bolt.
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If Boise State goes independent and to the Summit for the rest of their sports, that could open up a can of worms. With BYU, Boise State, Army, and Notre Dame already independent, who's to say Air Force doesn't do the same and join the MVC for other sports.
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I don't think Boise would go independent as they are an annual contender for the access spot.

However when you factor in the 4 traditional non conference games plus annual series with BYU and New Mexico St, I think they could probably pull it off with a favorable ESPN contract. The Summit would be a decent fit with the Dakota schools
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Will the Mountain West ditch ESPN and go all-digital for sports broadcasts?
you guys are funny. boise is one of the biggest supporters of a return to better game times as their attendance is down due to espn insisting on the late starts. mw also has a contract with cbs sports and that one is not in question. only espn loves the late crap that boise and others are complaining about


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RE: Will the Mountain West ditch ESPN and go all-digital for sports broadcasts?
(12-24-2017 02:06 PM)billings Wrote:  you guys are funny. boise is one of the biggest supporters of a return to better game times as their attendance is down due to espn insisting on the late starts. mw also has a contract with cbs sports and that one is not in question. only espn loves the late crap that boise and others are complaining about


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Boise State have a better kickoff time than the rest.

Washington State was mid to late afternoon Central time zone.
BYU in the afternoon CTS.
Wyoming late afternoon time zone because ESPN wanted to highlight Josh Allen.
San Diego State late afternoon.
Air Force CBS Sports/Arm Forces Network during the day.
Fresno State twice.

The rest were like pushed to late night on CBS Sports/ ESPN.
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(12-24-2017 12:02 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 11:59 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 09:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 09:06 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Interesting speculation...


Its not really speculation. Thompson has basically said they are looking at doing that if they dont get a sizable raise from ESPN. Essentially, their schools have studied the issue and believe they are better off catering to the fans in the stadium (kick off times that maximize attendance and in stadium income) than catering to a TV deal that provides minimal income.

The Boise deal plays into this also I believe. They have to give Boise 1.5M off the top of TV rights but not cable rights. So not only do they get better start times they avoid the Boise hostage fee.

That could cause Boise to bolt.

They have nowhere to go. The AAC boat sailed.
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(12-24-2017 02:06 PM)billings Wrote:  you guys are funny. boise is one of the biggest supporters of a return to better game times as their attendance is down due to espn insisting on the late starts. mw also has a contract with cbs sports and that one is not in question. only espn loves the late crap that boise and others are complaining about


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There are some late start times even on CBSSN. It's going to be fun next year fun next year finding out what TV package we'll have.

Something is brewing with Stadium though. Craig Thompson has had quite a few trips to their HQ in Chicago.
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(12-24-2017 05:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-24-2017 02:06 PM)billings Wrote:  you guys are funny. boise is one of the biggest supporters of a return to better game times as their attendance is down due to espn insisting on the late starts. mw also has a contract with cbs sports and that one is not in question. only espn loves the late crap that boise and others are complaining about


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There are some late start times even on CBSSN. It's going to be fun next year fun next year finding out what TV package we'll have.

Something is brewing with Stadium though. Craig Thompson has had quite a few trips to their HQ in Chicago.

Should be talking with FS1, who would get you the exposure you need to grow.
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(12-24-2017 05:24 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(12-24-2017 05:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-24-2017 02:06 PM)billings Wrote:  you guys are funny. boise is one of the biggest supporters of a return to better game times as their attendance is down due to espn insisting on the late starts. mw also has a contract with cbs sports and that one is not in question. only espn loves the late crap that boise and others are complaining about


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There are some late start times even on CBSSN. It's going to be fun next year fun next year finding out what TV package we'll have.

Something is brewing with Stadium though. Craig Thompson has had quite a few trips to their HQ in Chicago.

Should be talking with FS1, who would get you the exposure you need to grow.

I don't know that FS1 has room for them, or they'd have chased the AAC contract. They've already got Big 12, PAC and Big 10 games. And with the FS1-RSN split, they may have to find room for the Big 12 games that had been on Fox Sports regionals.
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