(12-21-2017 02:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:10 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 02:37 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 01:24 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 01:21 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  They say that Manny is going to require 8-10 years 300ish+ Mil. First question is are you ok with that kind of contract? If not, does it make sense trading Addi if you are not comfortable spending that money?

I think the Cubs are going to prioritize Harper in the off season, but I think both of their contracts are going to be insane. I'm okay with signing one of them, but if you sign Harper, Baez plays SS and Happ plays second.

I think that's why the Yanks went in/after Stanton. Because his contract looks affordable compared to what those guys are likely to get.

Absolutely. That acquisition was deciding whether or not they wanted Harper. They chose Stanton over Harper. I would actually guess that Harper will resign with the Nats now.

I think the Nats are going to have to at least make the NLCS this coming year to keep Harper. He seems like the type that frustrates easy and clearly wants a championship. His patience may wear thin with the organization. That's just my opinion though.

That's an interesting thought. I wonder if he has any childhood friends that play for a contender? I'd bet that team would have a shot at landing him if so

(12-21-2017 03:27 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 02:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:10 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 02:37 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 01:24 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I think the Cubs are going to prioritize Harper in the off season, but I think both of their contracts are going to be insane. I'm okay with signing one of them, but if you sign Harper, Baez plays SS and Happ plays second.

I think that's why the Yanks went in/after Stanton. Because his contract looks affordable compared to what those guys are likely to get.

Absolutely. That acquisition was deciding whether or not they wanted Harper. They chose Stanton over Harper. I would actually guess that Harper will resign with the Nats now.

I think the Nats are going to have to at least make the NLCS this coming year to keep Harper. He seems like the type that frustrates easy and clearly wants a championship. His patience may wear thin with the organization. That's just my opinion though.

That's an interesting thought. I wonder if he has any childhood friends that play for a contender? I'd bet that team would have a shot at landing him if so

Precisely. I think it was after (or maybe before) the Nats/Cubs series last post season when Harper mentioned how much he respects the Cubs organizations and almost flirted with the idea of playing alongside Bryant someday, if you read into what he was saying.

(12-21-2017 04:03 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 03:27 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 02:40 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 08:10 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(12-20-2017 02:37 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I think that's why the Yanks went in/after Stanton. Because his contract looks affordable compared to what those guys are likely to get.

Absolutely. That acquisition was deciding whether or not they wanted Harper. They chose Stanton over Harper. I would actually guess that Harper will resign with the Nats now.

I think the Nats are going to have to at least make the NLCS this coming year to keep Harper. He seems like the type that frustrates easy and clearly wants a championship. His patience may wear thin with the organization. That's just my opinion though.

That's an interesting thought. I wonder if he has any childhood friends that play for a contender? I'd bet that team would have a shot at landing him if so

Precisely. I think it was after (or maybe before) the Nats/Cubs series last post season when Harper mentioned how much he respects the Cubs organizations and almost flirted with the idea of playing alongside Bryant someday, if you read into what he was saying.

go ahead and spend the 400-500 mil it's going to take. Having him in your lineup obviously sounds nice, but he can't stay healthy at this age. End of that contract will be worse than Arod

Bricks!!!!

Cubs land Darvish!

Gotta believe the Cubs are back to being one of the top WS contenders with that deal.

(02-10-2018 03:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Bricks!!!!

Cubs land Darvish!

Gotta believe the Cubs are back to being one of the top WS contenders with that deal.

Regular season contenders, too bad he stinks in the postseason! I'm glad the Yanks didn't spend that loot, Stud reg season pitcher though for sure.

(02-10-2018 08:30 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 03:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Bricks!!!!

Cubs land Darvish!

Gotta believe the Cubs are back to being one of the top WS contenders with that deal.

Regular season contenders, too bad he stinks in the postseason! I'm glad the Yanks didn't spend that loot, Stud reg season pitcher though for sure.

This is a good deal. The 6th year may be scary, but he's only getting 21M AAV, and the contract is supposed to be front-loaded. It's been confirmed that Darvish was tipping his pitches in the World Series last year...he was very good in the NLCS.

Chicago was already a championship contender and they added a front-line starter. A rotation of Hendricks, Darvish, Lester and Quintana, plus an upside guy like Chatwood is very good, and they've reshaped their pen as well.

Sadly, this also means the end of Arrieta in Chicago. I'm going to miss Jake; he was great and a personal favorite.

This is good news however you look at it.

(02-11-2018 08:43 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 08:30 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 03:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Bricks!!!!

Cubs land Darvish!

Gotta believe the Cubs are back to being one of the top WS contenders with that deal.

Regular season contenders, too bad he stinks in the postseason! I'm glad the Yanks didn't spend that loot, Stud reg season pitcher though for sure.

This is a good deal. The 6th year may be scary, but he's only getting 21M AAV, and the contract is supposed to be front-loaded. It's been confirmed that Darvish was tipping his pitches in the World Series last year...he was very good in the NLCS.

Chicago was already a championship contender and they added a front-line starter. A rotation of Hendricks, Darvish, Lester and Quintana, plus an upside guy like Chatwood is very good, and they've reshaped their pen as well.

Sadly, this also means the end of Arrieta in Chicago. I'm going to miss Jake; he was great and a personal favorite.

This is good news however you look at it.

Could go either way. I’m not sad the Yankees stayed away his career postseason era is 5.81. 6 years, injury history, can’t pitch in the ps

(02-11-2018 09:42 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Could go either way. I’m not sad the Yankees stayed away his career postseason era is 5.81. 6 years, injury history, can’t pitch in the ps

I'm happy the Yankees didn't get him as well. The numbers and opt-out clause will be important to see as well. Darvish is getting paid less than Tanaka FWIW.

Chicago has three legit #2s now in Darvish, Quintana, and Hendricks and a solid #3 in Lester. Add Chatwood as a back-end starter and it's one of the best staffs in baseball. Everyone knows what Chicago has on the field, but the slam was that the system lacked front-end pitching and that we'd have to overpay. This year we were able to add two front-end guys, paying only market value and without touching league-ready talent.

(02-10-2018 03:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Bricks!!!!

Cubs land Darvish!

Gotta believe the Cubs are back to being one of the top WS contenders with that deal.

They have to be, right? Their competition in the NL will remain LA and Washington, and someone will likely come out of the dark, plus Brewers and Cards both got better this offseason. It will be difficult to get to a fourth consecutive NLCS, but the talent is there.

(02-11-2018 11:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 03:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Bricks!!!!

Cubs land Darvish!

Gotta believe the Cubs are back to being one of the top WS contenders with that deal.

They have to be, right? Their competition in the NL will remain LA and Washington, and someone will likely come out of the dark, plus Brewers and Cards both got better this offseason. It will be difficult to get to a fourth consecutive NLCS, but the talent is there.

The Brewers definitely put a scare into the NL Central last year during the first half, and thankfully... we ended up with Darvish.

Talent is definitely there, and hopefully the fire will be back after the WS hangover season last year (in which they STILL went to the NLCS). Sure has been nice to see such a successful run of Cubs seasons.

I'm interested to see if Washington can maintain their status as a contender or if they fall back a bit after firing Dusty. There's no guarantee the next coach will be able to replicate that success so quickly, but they also have the pieces to compete still.

Go Cubs Go!

(02-11-2018 11:25 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 09:42 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Could go either way. I’m not sad the Yankees stayed away his career postseason era is 5.81. 6 years, injury history, can’t pitch in the ps

I'm happy the Yankees didn't get him as well. The numbers and opt-out clause will be important to see as well. Darvish is getting paid less than Tanaka FWIW.

Tanaka's postseason ERA is 1.44 vs Darvish 5.81, and he's never head Tommy John. Tanaka is also only under contract through the age of 32, Vs late 30's.
You all know i don't mind the Cubbies, but I'm just not sure about this signing. I'd have rather given him 25-30 AAV for only 4 years. But, we of course will get to see how it plays out

(02-11-2018 01:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 11:25 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 09:42 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Could go either way. I’m not sad the Yankees stayed away his career postseason era is 5.81. 6 years, injury history, can’t pitch in the ps

I'm happy the Yankees didn't get him as well. The numbers and opt-out clause will be important to see as well. Darvish is getting paid less than Tanaka FWIW.

Tanaka's postseason ERA is 1.44 vs Darvish 5.81, and he's never head Tommy John. Tanaka is also only under contract through the age of 32, Vs late 30's.
You all know i don't mind the Cubbies, but I'm just not sure about this signing. I'd have rather given him 25-30 AAV for only 4 years. But, we of course will get to see how it plays out

I'm honestly, not worried about the 4-6 year range of the contract. Like Bricks said, all indications are that the contract is front loaded and may end up not being a burden to dump off if the production begins to decline past acceptable levels.

In any case, if the deal works out and the Cubs are back in the WS for the next 1-2 years and win another ring... to me, it's worth it.

All in all, the Cubs were able to sign him much cheaper than anyone anticipated due to a relatively dry off-season market. So it was definitely worth the risk, IMO.

(02-11-2018 02:32 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 01:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 11:25 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 09:42 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Could go either way. I’m not sad the Yankees stayed away his career postseason era is 5.81. 6 years, injury history, can’t pitch in the ps

I'm happy the Yankees didn't get him as well. The numbers and opt-out clause will be important to see as well. Darvish is getting paid less than Tanaka FWIW.

Tanaka's postseason ERA is 1.44 vs Darvish 5.81, and he's never head Tommy John. Tanaka is also only under contract through the age of 32, Vs late 30's.
You all know i don't mind the Cubbies, but I'm just not sure about this signing. I'd have rather given him 25-30 AAV for only 4 years. But, we of course will get to see how it plays out

I'm honestly, not worried about the 4-6 year range of the contract. Like Bricks said, all indications are that the contract is front loaded and may end up not being a burden to dump off if the production begins to decline past acceptable levels.

In any case, if the deal works out and the Cubs are back in the WS for the next 1-2 years and win another ring... to me, it's worth it.

All in all, the Cubs were able to sign him much cheaper than anyone anticipated due to a relatively dry off-season market. So it was definitely worth the risk, IMO.

I'm not sure how a guy with a 5.81 PS career translates to another ring. But maybe i'm missing something. I hope Lester bounces back(he killed me in fantasy last year!)

(02-11-2018 03:12 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 02:32 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 01:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 11:25 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 09:42 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Could go either way. I’m not sad the Yankees stayed away his career postseason era is 5.81. 6 years, injury history, can’t pitch in the ps

I'm happy the Yankees didn't get him as well. The numbers and opt-out clause will be important to see as well. Darvish is getting paid less than Tanaka FWIW.

Tanaka's postseason ERA is 1.44 vs Darvish 5.81, and he's never head Tommy John. Tanaka is also only under contract through the age of 32, Vs late 30's.
You all know i don't mind the Cubbies, but I'm just not sure about this signing. I'd have rather given him 25-30 AAV for only 4 years. But, we of course will get to see how it plays out

I'm honestly, not worried about the 4-6 year range of the contract. Like Bricks said, all indications are that the contract is front loaded and may end up not being a burden to dump off if the production begins to decline past acceptable levels.

In any case, if the deal works out and the Cubs are back in the WS for the next 1-2 years and win another ring... to me, it's worth it.

All in all, the Cubs were able to sign him much cheaper than anyone anticipated due to a relatively dry off-season market. So it was definitely worth the risk, IMO.

I'm not sure how a guy with a 5.81 PS career translates to another ring. But maybe i'm missing something. I hope Lester bounces back(he killed me in fantasy last year!)

Common sense. Pitchers change and gel in different environments. Arrieta was considered below avg prior to his time with the Cubs. There's always a chance that a pitcher's numbers turn around, and all it takes is one post season to change that. Like I said... "If the deal works out..."

Arrieta’s peripheral numbers were stronger than his more traditional numbers. All it took was a slight adjustment in what pitches he leaned on. That’s how the Cubs “stole” him and he transformed his career.

Not sure if Darvish is in that category. He’s more of a polished product at this point. Still a helluva pickup though.

(02-12-2018 05:22 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Arrieta’s peripheral numbers were stronger than his more traditional numbers. All it took was a slight adjustment in what pitches he leaned on. That’s how the Cubs “stole” him and he transformed his career.

Not sure if Darvish is in that category. He’s more of a polished product at this point. Still a helluva pickup though.

It's hard to evaluate a player's value based on 6-7 playoff starts; it's too small of a sample. Darvish's value will be determined in the 25-30 starts he makes in the regular season. Is his World Series performance a concern? Sure it is! But, they got him at market value...I'm still really interested in how the contract breaks down each year, and he has an opt-out after year 2. I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting half of the 121 in the first two years and is getting paid 15 per the final four years.

(02-12-2018 07:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 05:22 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Arrieta’s peripheral numbers were stronger than his more traditional numbers. All it took was a slight adjustment in what pitches he leaned on. That’s how the Cubs “stole” him and he transformed his career.

Not sure if Darvish is in that category. He’s more of a polished product at this point. Still a helluva pickup though.

It's hard to evaluate a player's value based on 6-7 playoff starts; it's too small of a sample. Darvish's value will be determined in the 25-30 starts he makes in the regular season. Is his World Series performance a concern? Sure it is! But, they got him at market value...I'm still really interested in how the contract breaks down each year, and he has an opt-out after year 2. I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting half of the 121 in the first two years and is getting paid 15 per the final four years.

I wasn’t talking about his playoff/WS performances. I was talking about how the Arrieta comparison doesn’t really work here. Arrieta was a bit of a reclamation project. Darvish is a stud, and I dont think a change of environments will make him go much higher than he is at this stage.

(02-12-2018 09:19 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 05:22 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Arrieta’s peripheral numbers were stronger than his more traditional numbers. All it took was a slight adjustment in what pitches he leaned on. That’s how the Cubs “stole” him and he transformed his career.

Not sure if Darvish is in that category. He’s more of a polished product at this point. Still a helluva pickup though.

It's hard to evaluate a player's value based on 6-7 playoff starts; it's too small of a sample. Darvish's value will be determined in the 25-30 starts he makes in the regular season. Is his World Series performance a concern? Sure it is! But, they got him at market value...I'm still really interested in how the contract breaks down each year, and he has an opt-out after year 2. I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting half of the 121 in the first two years and is getting paid 15 per the final four years.

I wasn’t talking about his playoff/WS performances. I was talking about how the Arrieta comparison doesn’t really work here. Arrieta was a bit of a reclamation project. Darvish is a stud, and I dont think a change of environments will make him go much higher than he is at this stage.

Sorry, Nation. I'm just replying to the last post...more of a stream of consciousness than a direct reply to what you had to say.

You're right about Arrieta. Baltimore essentially gave up on Jake (Strop has been a great reliever for Chicago too, which I think people forget when they talk about Chicago stealing Jake...that was an awful trade for Baltimore).

I don't know a lot about our new pitching coach, so I'm not sure how he'll be impacted. Maddon does a great job of limiting innings of his starters in the regular season, which I think will be good for Yu. I think his 2018 numbers will be a lot better than 2017, even if his stuff is only marginally better or the same. Then, we'll see what he's got in the playoffs.

(02-12-2018 09:19 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 05:22 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Arrieta’s peripheral numbers were stronger than his more traditional numbers. All it took was a slight adjustment in what pitches he leaned on. That’s how the Cubs “stole” him and he transformed his career.

Not sure if Darvish is in that category. He’s more of a polished product at this point. Still a helluva pickup though.

It's hard to evaluate a player's value based on 6-7 playoff starts; it's too small of a sample. Darvish's value will be determined in the 25-30 starts he makes in the regular season. Is his World Series performance a concern? Sure it is! But, they got him at market value...I'm still really interested in how the contract breaks down each year, and he has an opt-out after year 2. I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting half of the 121 in the first two years and is getting paid 15 per the final four years.

I wasn’t talking about his playoff/WS performances. I was talking about how the Arrieta comparison doesn’t really work here. Arrieta was a bit of a reclamation project. Darvish is a stud, and I dont think a change of environments will make him go much higher than he is at this stage.

Let's not over blow the use of the word STUD. He has a Career 3.44. He's been very good, but stud i think is a bit over board.

Bricks- I read this morning that the Cubbies made one last call to Arietta, offered him a similar contract, he turned them down so they moved on Darvish.

(02-12-2018 09:35 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Bricks- I read this morning that the Cubbies made one last call to Arietta, offered him a similar contract, he turned them down so they moved on Darvish.

That's too bad. I think Jake's pride is getting his way. After the Cy Young year, Chicago offered him a reasonable extension (think it was 5 years) and Boras infamously said, "aces get seven years." He's really good, but he's not Kershaw or Scherzer.

Loved watching him pitch the past four years. He was absolutely fantastic for 2.5 of those years, and he delivered in the World Series too. Sentimentally, I would rather have Jake and I think his ceiling is higher than Yu's. He lost his command the last year and wasn't the same guy. I hoped that the market would play out where he'd take a prove-it, two-year deal in Chicago, with a player option after one year. I wanted to see what disrespected Jake could do, but I think Chicago made a good decision.