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This is my favorite time of the year. Love the hot stove, all the speculation
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Hopefully the Orioles make the right decision and trade Machado now and not wait until the deadline, though it would be very Angelos like to hold onto Manny and watch him walk for nothing. In fact that very well might be the best move anyhow because if we do trade him it will be for some hot shot top tier pitcher who likely will be a career AA player who ends up having TJ surgery after bouncing around the farm system.
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(12-15-2017 08:51 AM)dan10 Wrote: Hopefully the Orioles make the right decision and trade Machado now and not wait until the deadline, though it would be very Angelos like to hold onto Manny and watch him walk for nothing. In fact that very well might be the best move anyhow because if we do trade him it will be for some hot shot top tier pitcher who likely will be a career AA player who ends up having TJ surgery after bouncing around the farm system.
Honestly, i think you get more value at the deadline. The team trading for him at that point has very real and near playoff expectations
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As an Os fan, I will miss Machado. He has been a lot of fun to watch.
I know it doesn't work this way, but I would prefer trading angelos for a good starter. The only problem with that is nobody in their right mind would take him.
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Machado for Addison Russell, straight up. Who says no?
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(12-15-2017 01:28 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Machado for Addison Russell, straight up. Who says no?
I wouldn’t pout about it, but I’m not in favor. Russell is much younger with a higher ceiling.
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(12-15-2017 02:33 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (12-15-2017 01:28 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Machado for Addison Russell, straight up. Who says no?
I wouldn’t pout about it, but I’m not in favor. Russell is much younger with a higher ceiling.
you really think he has a higher ceiling? I don't fault you for wanting to stay put, but you can only hope Russel is as good as Machado. To state his ceiling is higher than one of the top 3 3b in baseball is a bit ambitious.
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(12-19-2017 02:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-15-2017 02:33 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (12-15-2017 01:28 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Machado for Addison Russell, straight up. Who says no?
I wouldn’t pout about it, but I’m not in favor. Russell is much younger with a higher ceiling.
you really think he has a higher ceiling? I don't fault you for wanting to stay put, but you can only hope Russel is as good as Machado. To state his ceiling is higher than one of the top 3 3b in baseball is a bit ambitious.
I don't think we've seen the best out of Addison Russell yet. I believe his ceiling is higher because he has a lot more years left in the tank than Machado.
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(12-19-2017 04:30 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (12-19-2017 02:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-15-2017 02:33 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (12-15-2017 01:28 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Machado for Addison Russell, straight up. Who says no?
I wouldn’t pout about it, but I’m not in favor. Russell is much younger with a higher ceiling.
you really think he has a higher ceiling? I don't fault you for wanting to stay put, but you can only hope Russel is as good as Machado. To state his ceiling is higher than one of the top 3 3b in baseball is a bit ambitious.
I don't think we've seen the best out of Addison Russell yet. I believe his ceiling is higher because he has a lot more years left in the tank than Machado.
i don't disagree at all about him being being younger and wanting to keep for that reason. Young and controllable is good. But when i think about Ceiling, i think of max potential. When it comes to that, you just hope he GETS to Manny's level someday.
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(12-19-2017 05:03 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-19-2017 04:30 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (12-19-2017 02:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-15-2017 02:33 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (12-15-2017 01:28 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Machado for Addison Russell, straight up. Who says no?
I wouldn’t pout about it, but I’m not in favor. Russell is much younger with a higher ceiling.
you really think he has a higher ceiling? I don't fault you for wanting to stay put, but you can only hope Russel is as good as Machado. To state his ceiling is higher than one of the top 3 3b in baseball is a bit ambitious.
I don't think we've seen the best out of Addison Russell yet. I believe his ceiling is higher because he has a lot more years left in the tank than Machado.
i don't disagree at all about him being being younger and wanting to keep for that reason. Young and controllable is good. But when i think about Ceiling, i think of max potential. When it comes to that, you just hope he GETS to Manny's level someday.
That's true, but the Cubs built a team of young stars to create a long-term successful organization. I don't see the need to disrupt or abandon that plan for a guy that has less than 5 years left in his professional tank. Honestly, I think that tank is around 2-3 years from full, but just went with 5 for the sake of the discussion.
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Russell is actually only 2 years younger than Manny. But the big deal is the expiring contract and what Manny will require on the open market.
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(12-20-2017 11:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: Russell is actually only 2 years younger than Manny. But the big deal is the expiring contract and what Manny will require on the open market.
You’re absolutely right. I’m not sure why but I was thinking Machado was much older than he actually is. That was my bad. Y’all are right. It’s a good deal. Sounds like the O’s want pitching in the deal too, which the Cubs can’t really spare.
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(12-20-2017 12:09 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (12-20-2017 11:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: Russell is actually only 2 years younger than Manny. But the big deal is the expiring contract and what Manny will require on the open market.
You’re absolutely right. I’m not sure why but I was thinking Machado was much older than he actually is. That was my bad. Y’all are right. It’s a good deal. Sounds like the O’s want pitching in the deal too, which the Cubs can’t really spare.
probably more so now that they know Briton is out for extended period of time.
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Personally, I don't see Addison reaching Machado's level offensively. He's there, or at least close, defensively, but health is a concern. The obvious advantage is that he's controllable for 4 more years, but he is arbitration eligible after next year.
A lot of people are down on Addi for off the field reasons as well, and I'm certainly disappointed in the rumors. I don't have a way of knowing how credible they are, but I look at him in a different light now. Adding Manny gives you a batting order in 2018 of Bryant, Rizzo, Machado, Scwarber, Contreras, Happ and Baez...that's really, REALLY good.
I'm in favor of signing Darvish too, but I assume it would be Darvish or Machado...not sure how you could get both. I'd prefer to add Darvish than trading for Machado, but years 5-6 scare me for Darvish.
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(12-20-2017 01:04 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Personally, I don't see Addison reaching Machado's level offensively. He's there, or at least close, defensively, but health is a concern. The obvious advantage is that he's controllable for 4 more years, but he is arbitration eligible after next year.
A lot of people are down on Addi for off the field reasons as well, and I'm certainly disappointed in the rumors. I don't have a way of knowing how credible they are, but I look at him in a different light now. Adding Manny gives you a batting order in 2018 of Bryant, Rizzo, Machado, Scwarber, Contreras, Happ and Baez...that's really, REALLY good.
I'm in favor of signing Darvish too, but I assume it would be Darvish or Machado...not sure how you could get both. I'd prefer to add Darvish than trading for Machado, but years 5-6 scare me for Darvish.
They say that Manny is going to require 8-10 years 300ish+ Mil. First question is are you ok with that kind of contract? If not, does it make sense trading Addi if you are not comfortable spending that money?
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(12-20-2017 01:21 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:04 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Personally, I don't see Addison reaching Machado's level offensively. He's there, or at least close, defensively, but health is a concern. The obvious advantage is that he's controllable for 4 more years, but he is arbitration eligible after next year.
A lot of people are down on Addi for off the field reasons as well, and I'm certainly disappointed in the rumors. I don't have a way of knowing how credible they are, but I look at him in a different light now. Adding Manny gives you a batting order in 2018 of Bryant, Rizzo, Machado, Scwarber, Contreras, Happ and Baez...that's really, REALLY good.
I'm in favor of signing Darvish too, but I assume it would be Darvish or Machado...not sure how you could get both. I'd prefer to add Darvish than trading for Machado, but years 5-6 scare me for Darvish.
They say that Manny is going to require 8-10 years 300ish+ Mil. First question is are you ok with that kind of contract? If not, does it make sense trading Addi if you are not comfortable spending that money?
I think the Cubs are going to prioritize Harper in the off season, but I think both of their contracts are going to be insane. I'm okay with signing one of them, but if you sign Harper, Baez plays SS and Happ plays second.
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(12-20-2017 01:24 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:21 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:04 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Personally, I don't see Addison reaching Machado's level offensively. He's there, or at least close, defensively, but health is a concern. The obvious advantage is that he's controllable for 4 more years, but he is arbitration eligible after next year.
A lot of people are down on Addi for off the field reasons as well, and I'm certainly disappointed in the rumors. I don't have a way of knowing how credible they are, but I look at him in a different light now. Adding Manny gives you a batting order in 2018 of Bryant, Rizzo, Machado, Scwarber, Contreras, Happ and Baez...that's really, REALLY good.
I'm in favor of signing Darvish too, but I assume it would be Darvish or Machado...not sure how you could get both. I'd prefer to add Darvish than trading for Machado, but years 5-6 scare me for Darvish.
They say that Manny is going to require 8-10 years 300ish+ Mil. First question is are you ok with that kind of contract? If not, does it make sense trading Addi if you are not comfortable spending that money?
I think the Cubs are going to prioritize Harper in the off season, but I think both of their contracts are going to be insane. I'm okay with signing one of them, but if you sign Harper, Baez plays SS and Happ plays second.
I think that's why the Yanks went in/after Stanton. Because his contract looks affordable compared to what those guys are likely to get.
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(12-20-2017 02:37 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:24 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:21 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:04 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Personally, I don't see Addison reaching Machado's level offensively. He's there, or at least close, defensively, but health is a concern. The obvious advantage is that he's controllable for 4 more years, but he is arbitration eligible after next year.
A lot of people are down on Addi for off the field reasons as well, and I'm certainly disappointed in the rumors. I don't have a way of knowing how credible they are, but I look at him in a different light now. Adding Manny gives you a batting order in 2018 of Bryant, Rizzo, Machado, Scwarber, Contreras, Happ and Baez...that's really, REALLY good.
I'm in favor of signing Darvish too, but I assume it would be Darvish or Machado...not sure how you could get both. I'd prefer to add Darvish than trading for Machado, but years 5-6 scare me for Darvish.
They say that Manny is going to require 8-10 years 300ish+ Mil. First question is are you ok with that kind of contract? If not, does it make sense trading Addi if you are not comfortable spending that money?
I think the Cubs are going to prioritize Harper in the off season, but I think both of their contracts are going to be insane. I'm okay with signing one of them, but if you sign Harper, Baez plays SS and Happ plays second.
I think that's why the Yanks went in/after Stanton. Because his contract looks affordable compared to what those guys are likely to get.
Absolutely. That acquisition was deciding whether or not they wanted Harper. They chose Stanton over Harper. I would actually guess that Harper will resign with the Nats now.
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(12-21-2017 08:10 AM)dan10 Wrote: (12-20-2017 02:37 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:24 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:21 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (12-20-2017 01:04 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: Personally, I don't see Addison reaching Machado's level offensively. He's there, or at least close, defensively, but health is a concern. The obvious advantage is that he's controllable for 4 more years, but he is arbitration eligible after next year.
A lot of people are down on Addi for off the field reasons as well, and I'm certainly disappointed in the rumors. I don't have a way of knowing how credible they are, but I look at him in a different light now. Adding Manny gives you a batting order in 2018 of Bryant, Rizzo, Machado, Scwarber, Contreras, Happ and Baez...that's really, REALLY good.
I'm in favor of signing Darvish too, but I assume it would be Darvish or Machado...not sure how you could get both. I'd prefer to add Darvish than trading for Machado, but years 5-6 scare me for Darvish.
They say that Manny is going to require 8-10 years 300ish+ Mil. First question is are you ok with that kind of contract? If not, does it make sense trading Addi if you are not comfortable spending that money?
I think the Cubs are going to prioritize Harper in the off season, but I think both of their contracts are going to be insane. I'm okay with signing one of them, but if you sign Harper, Baez plays SS and Happ plays second.
I think that's why the Yanks went in/after Stanton. Because his contract looks affordable compared to what those guys are likely to get.
Absolutely. That acquisition was deciding whether or not they wanted Harper. They chose Stanton over Harper. I would actually guess that Harper will resign with the Nats now.
It may have been a result of weighing the realistic chances they'd have of signing Harper vs landing Stanton.
I think the Nats are going to have to at least make the NLCS this coming year to keep Harper. He seems like the type that frustrates easy and clearly wants a championship. His patience may wear thin with the organization. That's just my opinion though.
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