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Manufactured match-ups the future of college football
Well we have seen the shifting of schedules to allow for a season ending flood of rivalry games plus the myriad of Kick-Off games over the Labor Day weekend.
Now it looks like ESPN is likely to start producing "that game" on a weekly basis.

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.s...feren.html

Carolina/Auburn not during the Labor Day extravaganza but WEEK TWO in Atlanta.
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(12-07-2017 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  Well we have seen the shifting of schedules to allow for a season ending flood of rivalry games plus the myriad of Kick-Off games over the Labor Day weekend.
Now it looks like ESPN is likely to start producing "that game" on a weekly basis.

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.s...feren.html

Carolina/Auburn not during the Labor Day extravaganza but WEEK TWO in Atlanta.

Yep you won three games against us from 1892 to 1901. It's time for us to do something to even that record.

But seriously the Clemson game this year was the 2nd weekend of the season, but was at Clemson. These Atlanta games are a bit different. They're fine for that non conference P game you have to have now so I'm not surprised ESPN is wanting to spread these out.
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Can't stand neutral site games. Really hope we don't see these bleed over into weeks 2, 3, and 4
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(12-07-2017 12:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Can't stand neutral site games. Really hope we don't see these bleed over into weeks 2, 3, and 4

Ready for those to go away—ignore my yearly Little Rock and Arlington games. 03-shhhh
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This is what content looks like.
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(12-08-2017 06:03 AM)XLance Wrote:  This is what content looks like.

...and content is needed every week for ratings. I have no problem watching quality match ups between nonconference opponents or even conference opponents in weeks two, three or four or 12. Spread these games out so schools can also get more national exposure due to lack of a log jam. This is the reason these matchups are made, right?
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(12-08-2017 12:10 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 12:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Can't stand neutral site games. Really hope we don't see these bleed over into weeks 2, 3, and 4

Ready for those to go away—ignore my yearly Little Rock and Arlington games. 03-shhhh

It was cool the first 2-3 times but honestly I’m kind of over playing in Charlotte seemingly every two years. I’d vastly prefer home and homes and I think attendance numbers show that. Both schools bringing maybe 25-30k isn’t going to fill up stadiums
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I don't mind the neutral site games as long as they're in interesting locales and the match-up is good. I've been to a couple of them with Bama in recent years and it's pretty fun.

Part of me would prefer the home and home, but I get why they do it this way.

I think the best way to do it though is change cities regularly and try to keep the match-ups fresh. Otherwise, fans will lose interest.
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(12-08-2017 09:35 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I don't mind the neutral site games as long as they're in interesting locales and the match-up is good. I've been to a couple of them with Bama in recent years and it's pretty fun.

Part of me would prefer the home and home, but I get why they do it this way.

I think the best way to do it though is change cities regularly and try to keep the match-ups fresh. Otherwise, fans will lose interest.

Alabama doesn’t have much to complain about the last few years, but if I was a Bama fan the schedule would be one of them. Opening season neutral site game and three cupcakes every year. 03-puke
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(12-08-2017 12:32 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:35 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I don't mind the neutral site games as long as they're in interesting locales and the match-up is good. I've been to a couple of them with Bama in recent years and it's pretty fun.

Part of me would prefer the home and home, but I get why they do it this way.

I think the best way to do it though is change cities regularly and try to keep the match-ups fresh. Otherwise, fans will lose interest.

Alabama doesn’t have much to complain about the last few years, but if I was a Bama fan the schedule would be one of them. Opening season neutral site game and three cupcakes every year. 03-puke

Go back and put a star by the schools which have won the national championship in the last 30 years and then grade everyone's schedule by the number of starred teams on it and then reevaluate your assessment of Alabama's schedule when it includes Florida State or Clemson, or Ohio State as that OOC game. Then compare that to the number of stars on the Gamecocks schedule. It's close but Bama has more as do most of the West division schools. Then do the same for the other conferences and their schools. That's why the 8 game SEC schedule is far more difficult than most of the other conferences play. It's also why schools like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida State, and Clemson play in those OOC season openers as it helps give the the data points they need to keep pace. They're good enough on their own to keep pace but playing and winning one of those games makes sure they are around at the end of the year in position to make the CFP.
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(12-08-2017 01:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:32 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:35 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I don't mind the neutral site games as long as they're in interesting locales and the match-up is good. I've been to a couple of them with Bama in recent years and it's pretty fun.

Part of me would prefer the home and home, but I get why they do it this way.

I think the best way to do it though is change cities regularly and try to keep the match-ups fresh. Otherwise, fans will lose interest.

Alabama doesn’t have much to complain about the last few years, but if I was a Bama fan the schedule would be one of them. Opening season neutral site game and three cupcakes every year. 03-puke

Go back and put a star by the schools which have won the national championship in the last 30 years and then grade everyone's schedule by the number of starred teams on it and then reevaluate your assessment of Alabama's schedule when it includes Florida State or Clemson, or Ohio State as that OOC game. Then compare that to the number of stars on the Gamecocks schedule. It's close but Bama has more as do most of the West division schools. Then do the same for the other conferences and their schools. That's why the 8 game SEC schedule is far more difficult than most of the other conferences play. It's also why schools like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida State, and Clemson play in those OOC season openers as it helps give the the data points they need to keep pace. They're good enough on their own to keep pace but playing and winning one of those games makes sure they are around at the end of the year in position to make the CFP.

I'm looking at it mostly from a fan's perspective. These games are just so bland most of the time unless it's FSU/Alabama or something very similar.

I agree that intersectional matchups are important, I just think home and home matchups are superior in every way. Ohio St, Texas, Oklahoma, So Cal and others largely insist on them and only rarely do neutral site openers. Alabama does the neutral site openers annually which sort of grew out of the Chick Fil A kickoff and now has seemingly spread across the Southeast.

I think for the SEC an 8+2 model would be ideal, requiring all schools to play two power five teams a year. This is essentially what UGA and SC have been doing for years and I think it would help the conference and individual programs as well.
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(12-08-2017 01:58 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 01:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:32 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:35 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I don't mind the neutral site games as long as they're in interesting locales and the match-up is good. I've been to a couple of them with Bama in recent years and it's pretty fun.

Part of me would prefer the home and home, but I get why they do it this way.

I think the best way to do it though is change cities regularly and try to keep the match-ups fresh. Otherwise, fans will lose interest.

Alabama doesn’t have much to complain about the last few years, but if I was a Bama fan the schedule would be one of them. Opening season neutral site game and three cupcakes every year. 03-puke

Go back and put a star by the schools which have won the national championship in the last 30 years and then grade everyone's schedule by the number of starred teams on it and then reevaluate your assessment of Alabama's schedule when it includes Florida State or Clemson, or Ohio State as that OOC game. Then compare that to the number of stars on the Gamecocks schedule. It's close but Bama has more as do most of the West division schools. Then do the same for the other conferences and their schools. That's why the 8 game SEC schedule is far more difficult than most of the other conferences play. It's also why schools like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida State, and Clemson play in those OOC season openers as it helps give the the data points they need to keep pace. They're good enough on their own to keep pace but playing and winning one of those games makes sure they are around at the end of the year in position to make the CFP.

I'm looking at it mostly from a fan's perspective. These games are just so bland most of the time unless it's FSU/Alabama or something very similar.

I agree that intersectional matchups are important, I just think home and home matchups are superior in every way. Ohio St, Texas, Oklahoma, So Cal and others largely insist on them and only rarely do neutral site openers. Alabama does the neutral site openers annually which sort of grew out of the Chick Fil A kickoff and now has seemingly spread across the Southeast.

I think for the SEC an 8+2 model would be ideal, requiring all schools to play two power five teams a year. This is essentially what UGA and SC have been doing for years and I think it would help the conference and individual programs as well.

I agree with that. But note: The SEC and ACC agree to neutral site games, especially the Chic-fil-a game in Atlanta because the sponsor is a generous donor to both conferences. So that really explains why we do it. Alabama is fine with the game because otherwise they lack a presence in Georgia most years. It's really a meh game for Auburn because we play Georgia annually and quite frankly our stadium seats more so we would enjoy the ticket sales at home. But then there's Chic-fil-a and we're all grateful to them.
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(12-08-2017 02:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 01:58 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 01:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:32 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:35 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I don't mind the neutral site games as long as they're in interesting locales and the match-up is good. I've been to a couple of them with Bama in recent years and it's pretty fun.

Part of me would prefer the home and home, but I get why they do it this way.

I think the best way to do it though is change cities regularly and try to keep the match-ups fresh. Otherwise, fans will lose interest.

Alabama doesn’t have much to complain about the last few years, but if I was a Bama fan the schedule would be one of them. Opening season neutral site game and three cupcakes every year. 03-puke

Go back and put a star by the schools which have won the national championship in the last 30 years and then grade everyone's schedule by the number of starred teams on it and then reevaluate your assessment of Alabama's schedule when it includes Florida State or Clemson, or Ohio State as that OOC game. Then compare that to the number of stars on the Gamecocks schedule. It's close but Bama has more as do most of the West division schools. Then do the same for the other conferences and their schools. That's why the 8 game SEC schedule is far more difficult than most of the other conferences play. It's also why schools like Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida State, and Clemson play in those OOC season openers as it helps give the the data points they need to keep pace. They're good enough on their own to keep pace but playing and winning one of those games makes sure they are around at the end of the year in position to make the CFP.

I'm looking at it mostly from a fan's perspective. These games are just so bland most of the time unless it's FSU/Alabama or something very similar.

I agree that intersectional matchups are important, I just think home and home matchups are superior in every way. Ohio St, Texas, Oklahoma, So Cal and others largely insist on them and only rarely do neutral site openers. Alabama does the neutral site openers annually which sort of grew out of the Chick Fil A kickoff and now has seemingly spread across the Southeast.

I think for the SEC an 8+2 model would be ideal, requiring all schools to play two power five teams a year. This is essentially what UGA and SC have been doing for years and I think it would help the conference and individual programs as well.

I agree with that. But note: The SEC and ACC agree to neutral site games, especially the Chic-fil-a game in Atlanta because the sponsor is a generous donor to both conferences. So that really explains why we do it. Alabama is fine with the game because otherwise they lack a presence in Georgia most years. It's really a meh game for Auburn because we play Georgia annually and quite frankly our stadium seats more so we would enjoy the ticket sales at home. But then there's Chic-fil-a and we're all grateful to them.

The Atlanta game is usually OK. That's an incredible stadium as is the one in Ft. Worth.

The games in DC, Charlotte, and Orlando are usually the ones that are awful. Those matchups should go away. South Carolina has Charlotte in 2019 and 2023, both agreed to under Spurrier, and I hope they are the last two.
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One of the main reasons we do it that way at Bama is the exposure an early season event like that creates.

Recruiting is a big part of it which is why you've found us in Atlanta and DFW almost exclusively. Next year, we're playing in Orlando which is also in the heart of prime recruiting territory although the stadium experience won't compare. The schools from other regions have been more than happy to participate so they can play in front of recruits they don't normally reach.

The TV exposure is just as important. It creates brand value, especially if you win. Alabama is already a big draw, but the early season game with the cooperation of network and other corporate sponsors guarantees a big show. We actually didn't start doing these until Saban showed up. He understood the value.

That and we get more money per season than doing a home and home.

Now admittedly, I would like to see more quality home games so I like Gamecock's idea of the SEC calling for 2 P5 opponents on the schedule at all times.
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Looks like this one is official

http://www.fbschedules.com/2018/07/north...game-2020/

I said it several months back but I generally cannot stand the neutral site matchups and hope this doesn’t become a trend
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(07-13-2018 05:41 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Looks like this one is official

http://www.fbschedules.com/2018/07/north...game-2020/

I said it several months back but I generally cannot stand the neutral site matchups and hope this doesn’t become a trend

TOO LATE. Virtually every SEC plays at least one of these every other year, and it's become a lot more common for ACC teams, too.

see also https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2018/...18-24.html
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(07-13-2018 07:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-13-2018 05:41 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Looks like this one is official

http://www.fbschedules.com/2018/07/north...game-2020/

I said it several months back but I generally cannot stand the neutral site matchups and hope this doesn’t become a trend

TOO LATE. Virtually every SEC plays at least one of these every other year, and it's become a lot more common for ACC teams, too.

see also https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2018/...18-24.html

I meant mainly in terms of the matchups being week 2, 3, etc. although it appears there are a few more of even those than I realized.
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(12-08-2017 09:00 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:10 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 12:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Can't stand neutral site games. Really hope we don't see these bleed over into weeks 2, 3, and 4

Ready for those to go away—ignore my yearly Little Rock and Arlington games. 03-shhhh

It was cool the first 2-3 times but honestly I’m kind of over playing in Charlotte seemingly every two years. I’d vastly prefer home and homes and I think attendance numbers show that. Both schools bringing maybe 25-30k isn’t going to fill up stadiums

Tell me about it. Auburn vs. Washington in Atlanta will be 3 games in a row at the new dome for AU.
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(12-07-2017 12:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Can't stand neutral site games. Really hope we don't see these bleed over into weeks 2, 3, and 4

Our Kansas- Missouri game was played at Arrowhead stadium. It would have been so much more fun if played on the campuses. Easy road trip.
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(07-13-2018 12:22 PM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:00 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:10 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 12:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Can't stand neutral site games. Really hope we don't see these bleed over into weeks 2, 3, and 4

Ready for those to go away—ignore my yearly Little Rock and Arlington games. 03-shhhh

It was cool the first 2-3 times but honestly I’m kind of over playing in Charlotte seemingly every two years. I’d vastly prefer home and homes and I think attendance numbers show that. Both schools bringing maybe 25-30k isn’t going to fill up stadiums

Tell me about it. Auburn vs. Washington in Atlanta will be 3 games in a row at the new dome for AU.

Yikes. Yes, Auburn does play there an awful lot.

Alabama, for what it's worth, has finally caved and scheduled some big time home and homes so perhaps other schools will follow suit.
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