(09-12-2017 07:15 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I guess Azusa Pacific could go straight to the Big Sky now that North Dakota is out of the way, but I don't know if the Big Sky really wants to take a school from Division II, and a private school on top of that.

Private schools is no big deal since Gonzaga was a member. They would be happy to get a large tv market for L.A. area. It could bring the Los angeles the Big Sky name in the news.

(09-13-2017 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:15 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I guess Azusa Pacific could go straight to the Big Sky now that North Dakota is out of the way, but I don't know if the Big Sky really wants to take a school from Division II, and a private school on top of that.

Private schools is no big deal since Gonzaga was a member. They would be happy to get a large tv market for L.A. area. It could bring the Los angeles the Big Sky name in the news.

WAC membership makes much more sense as it already has LA area schools. The Big Sky would take AP as a fb only.

Southern Nazarene is right there in the hunt to take the GAC football championship, and going to the playoffs at 2-1.

Great American Conference football standings.
Arkansas Tech 3-0
Southeast Oklahoma State 3-0
UAM 2-1
Ouachita Baptist 2-1
Southern Arkansas 2-1
Southern Nazarene 2-1
East Central Oklahoma 1-2
Henderson State 1-2
Northwest Oklahoma State 1-2
Southwest Oklahoma State 1-2
Harding 0-3
Oklahoma Baptist 0-3

They do not play anybody outside of their conference which is bad news for them not to know how other teams are like from other conferences.

Spring Hill gets a reprieve:

http://shcbadgers.com/news/2017/9/12/gen...tatus.aspx

So they've got one more year to sort out their accreditation status. Probably this decision was made because they satisfied all the other requirements and light is at the end of the tunnel on their accreditation issue.

Emmanuel (GA) as well:

http://www.ec.edu/news/emmanuel-granted-...ivision-ii

Spring Hill should be division 3

St. Gregory's (OK) is shutting down at the end of the fall semester:

http://www.stgregorys.edu/news/st-gregor...-fall-2017

NAIA, Sooner Athletic Conference

(11-08-2017 08:56 PM)johnintx Wrote:  St. Gregory's (OK) is shutting down at the end of the fall semester:

http://www.stgregorys.edu/news/st-gregor...-fall-2017

NAIA, Sooner Athletic Conference

I presume they'll not be allowed to finish their winter seasons, but at this point do they even bother playing the games they have left?

(11-08-2017 09:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 08:56 PM)johnintx Wrote:  St. Gregory's (OK) is shutting down at the end of the fall semester:

http://www.stgregorys.edu/news/st-gregor...-fall-2017

NAIA, Sooner Athletic Conference

I presume they'll not be allowed to finish their winter seasons, but at this point do they even bother playing the games they have left?

I saw a tweet saying that all athletic teams have been shut down immediately. According to their athletic website, they had a women's basketball game and a conference volleyball playoff game (a loss) last night. Those would have been the school's last athletic events.

Would the students be transferred over to Oklahoma Baptist? Or should Oklahoma Baptist take up the athletics and merged them over to Oklahoma Baptist? Both schools are in the same city.

http://www.bjubruins.com/news/2017/10/17...rship.aspx

Bob Jones University eyeing D3.

(09-12-2017 10:41 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  That is a better word. APU is pretty football crazy so I wouldn't doubt they would find a way to keep football even if they got an invite to the WAC and play Indy football at the FCS level. Unfortunately, they will have to wait for Cal Baptist for finish transitioning before they would get an invite unless the WAC would have enough schools to allow 2 transitioning teams at the same time to not cause scheduling issues.

I can also see if APU does get a D1 invite, that a football only conference could be created with UCD, Sac St, APU, Cal Poly, S. Ut and NAU.

I think Western should return to the NAIA. They haven't separated themselves from their previous NAIA members.

They have to wait until CBU completes their first year, as they count as a D-I school in their 2nd year for scheduling requirements.
20.9.8 Basketball Scheduling.
...
20.9.8.4.1.1 Reclassifying Opponents. A reclassifying institution shall be counted as a Division I opponent in the year the reclassifying institution must comply with Division I scheduling requirements (year two of the reclassifying process).

This is mostly an issue for New Mexico State as they are mandated to play New Mexico public D-II schools, which limist them to just two conference D-II category opponents (first transition year). UNM is supposed to as well, but they get around that somehow.

20.9.8 Basketball Scheduling.
20.9.8.1 Four-Game Limit. An institution may schedule and play not more than four basketball games, including any contest (e.g., scrimmage, exhibition), in an academic year against institutions that are not members of Division I. (Revised: 3/1/12)


Note, CBU starts in '18-19. That means APU can start in '19-20. To do so they must submit to reclassify by June 1, 2018, with the application post-marked no later than May 25th, 2018.

If APU wants to move up to the WAC their is no issue. Same would be true of UCSD if they passed another student Athletic Fee referendum that had more flexibility and allowed the school to join the WAC (and not just the Big West).

In theory the WAC could bring one D-II transition school a year without impacting NMSU scheduling too much.
'18-19 CBU
'19-20 APU
'20-21 UCSD

The path is there for Asuza Pacific to move up to the WAC and probably put Football in the Big Sky or initially as an Independent. The Big Sky schools are always looking for opponents, especially in talent rich California.

(11-09-2017 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would the students be transferred over to Oklahoma Baptist? Or should Oklahoma Baptist take up the athletics and merged them over to Oklahoma Baptist? Both schools are in the same city.

According to the press release, St. Gregory's is making arrangements with other schools for transfers. I presume other Catholic schools are in play. They and OBU had an articulation agreement, allowing students to take classes at the other campus and allowing for easier transfers. I'm sure a few students (especially ones from the local area) will end up at OBU.

Athletics is dead. There is no sport or facility at St. Gregory's that OBU doesn't already have. The timing is horrible, as it will be very difficult for any of their athletes to transfer anywhere this school year and remain on scholarship.

Division I isn't only place where moves are happening today.

Quote:Waterville, ME – The North Atlantic Conference (NAC) Presidents' Council has confirmed the acceptance of SUNY Canton and the University of Maine at Presque Isle (UMPI) as full members of the conference, effective July 1, 2018.

SUNY Canton and UMPI will begin competition as members of the NAC beginning in the 2018-19 academic year along with the University of Maine at Farmington, Husson University, Johnson State College, Lyndon State College, Maine Maritime Academy and Thomas College.

http://rooathletics.com/news/2017/11/27/...18-19.aspx

University of Maine at Presque Isle and the University of Maine at Fort Kent are some of the most isolated colleges on the mainland. Their travel budgets must be stupid high.

(11-27-2017 05:11 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  University of Maine at Presque Isle and the University of Maine at Fort Kent are some of the most isolated colleges on the mainland. Their travel budgets must be stupid high.

Alaska, Alaska-Anchorage, Chaminade, UH-Hilo, Hawaii Pacific laugh at their short trips.

(11-28-2017 04:55 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:11 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  University of Maine at Presque Isle and the University of Maine at Fort Kent are some of the most isolated colleges on the mainland. Their travel budgets must be stupid high.

Alaska, Alaska-Anchorage, Chaminade, UH-Hilo, Hawaii Pacific laugh at their short trips.

In the future, they would have a new school to be with the Hawaii schools.

http://www.uhwo.hawaii.edu/about-us/chan...ber-20141/

University of Hawaii at West Oahu

They only have intramural sports, but are planning to add competitive varsity sports. One of the sports they are thinking about is football.

http://khon2.com/2013/05/16/uh-west-oahu...c-program/

Since the only schools in the NCAAs are at D1 and D2 level. PWC are interested in adding them alongside the other schools. They could actually take the place of BYU-Hawaii in the conference. They could be under a test pilot for NCAA D2 while the school adds the sports.

(11-28-2017 03:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  In the future, they would have a new school to be with the Hawaii schools.

http://www.uhwo.hawaii.edu/about-us/chan...ber-20141/

University of Hawaii at West Oahu

They only have intramural sports, but are planning to add competitive varsity sports. One of the sports they are thinking about is football.

http://khon2.com/2013/05/16/uh-west-oahu...c-program/

Since the only schools in the NCAAs are at D1 and D2 level. PWC are interested in adding them alongside the other schools. They could actually take the place of BYU-Hawaii in the conference. They could be under a test pilot for NCAA D2 while the school adds the sports.

Have they done anything at all in the 3 and 4.5 years since those articles were posted?

D2 does not do a test pilot program for membership. UHWO will be evaluated only after they have 10 varsity sports (5/5 or 4m/6w), receive an official conference invite, meet other D2 minimums, and submit an application for membership. The NCAA is busy enough without the additional burden of programs for non-members.

As large as they want to be, it seems inevitable that they will have competitive sports. But how to get there? Seems very difficult. I can't recall any programs off hand who *launched* into NCAA D2. Yet that's the obvious place for them, in the PacWest. Are D2 conferences allowed to have associate members? They could start in USCAA or NAIA and be associate members of the PacWest without postseason access while they boot up their program, and when they are ready apply to the NCAA. Being in Hawaii it wouldn't be that hard to attract a good amount of pre-conference competitors, but it would be pretty tough to fill a full schedule without being in a conference.

(11-28-2017 09:12 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  As large as they want to be, it seems inevitable that they will have competitive sports. But how to get there? Seems very difficult. I can't recall any programs off hand who *launched* into NCAA D2. Yet that's the obvious place for them, in the PacWest. Are D2 conferences allowed to have associate members? They could start in USCAA or NAIA and be associate members of the PacWest without postseason access while they boot up their program, and when they are ready apply to the NCAA. Being in Hawaii it wouldn't be that hard to attract a good amount of pre-conference competitors, but it would be pretty tough to fill a full schedule without being in a conference.

D2 may or may not have rules directly about that type of membership but there are rules that make it difficult. All teams must play a minimum number of D2 competitions to qualify for postseason and there is a list of programs that the NCAA will not recognize as valid competitions. Ex: any football game against any College of Faith team is essentially viewed by the NCAA as an exhibition, win/lose and all team and individual stats are thrown out.