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(11-12-2017 01:22 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Yeah the soft corners business drives me crazy too.

The only time we didn't do that was vs Charlotte, a team which when it does pass, does so with the short dink-and dunk type offense

That tells me that our coaches are not confident in our ability to contain the big downfield pass play.

(11-12-2017 02:53 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 01:22 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Yeah the soft corners business drives me crazy too.

The only time we didn't do that was vs Charlotte, a team which when it does pass, does so with the short dink-and dunk type offense

That tells me that our coaches are not confident in our ability to contain the big downfield pass play.

Afraid of getting the PI penalties.....

So, rather than risk the chance of a long completion or PI, we just give it to them in small pieces . I don't like it, it's to conservative. We probably do need bigger corners though. As much as I like Brandon, he's quite a bit undersized.

One play I remember our running back lined up directly behind Williams. He looked to be 4 yards behind him and Williams was 4 yards behind center. Thus the play started 8 yards behind line of scrimmage. Say what you will, it doesn't pass the eye test. You simply can't concede 8 yards and then expect to run effectively especially when it's nothing more than a dive right up the middle. Every team in America uses some deception, fakes, misdirection whatever you call it. Except us.

FIU averaged only 6.5 yards per attempt. I don't care what they do if they can something keep that up.

As long as we put up 20+ points per game I'll take that. It's just like holdem. You only remember the bat beats with pocket As, not all the times you won.

I don't have a problem with corners giving a 10 yard cushion pre snap when the defense calls for it. The problem that i have is that our corners seem to maintain that cushion throughout the play. There are WAY to many plays where receivers catch a ball and there isn't a defender within 10 yards of them.

(11-12-2017 08:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FIU averaged only 6.5 yards per attempt. I don't care what they do if they can something keep that up.

Only 6.5?
FIU completed 35 passes for 323 yards. That many passes at that average translates to to a a first down every two passes; a true ball control passing game.
We gave up 323 yards passing to a team that averaged only 197 prior to our game.

Had the Panthers not had a couple of uncharacteristic major breakdowns in pass coverage, and some big runs by Lawry, we get creamed.

This was the most inspired game of the year by the offense, but we reverted back (from UNCC) to our soft 4-2-5 defense that, w/o some major breakdowns by the FIU defense, would have doomed us.

(11-13-2017 10:13 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FIU averaged only 6.5 yards per attempt. I don't care what they do if they can something keep that up.

Only 6.5?
FIU completed 35 passes for 323 yards. That many passes at that average translates to to a a first down every two passes; a true ball control passing game.
We gave up 323 yards passing to a team that averaged only 197 prior to our game.

Had the Panthers not had a couple of uncharacteristic major breakdowns in pass coverage, and some big runs by Lawry, we get creamed.

This was the most inspired game of the year by the offense, but we reverted back (from UNCC) to our soft 4-2-5 defense that, w/o some major breakdowns by the FIU defense, would have doomed us.

Pass plays tend to average more than running plays because you don't factor in the incompletions. If you counted 0 yards for each incomplete pass the average would be much less. So you really can't say two pass plays and a first down because the are zero yard plays in there also.

BTW, when was the last time we won a game we weren't expected to win? It's been a while.

(11-13-2017 11:38 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 10:13 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FIU averaged only 6.5 yards per attempt. I don't care what they do if they can something keep that up.

Only 6.5?
FIU completed 35 passes for 323 yards. That many passes at that average translates to to a a first down every two passes; a true ball control passing game.
We gave up 323 yards passing to a team that averaged only 197 prior to our game.

Had the Panthers not had a couple of uncharacteristic major breakdowns in pass coverage, and some big runs by Lawry, we get creamed.

This was the most inspired game of the year by the offense, but we reverted back (from UNCC) to our soft 4-2-5 defense that, w/o some major breakdowns by the FIU defense, would have doomed us.

Pass plays tend to average more than running plays because you don't factor in the incompletions. If you counted 0 yards for each incomplete pass the average would be much less. So you really can't say two pass plays and a first down because the are zero yard plays in there also.

BTW, when was the last time we won a game we weren't expected to win? It's been a while.

Not when you have at least as many completions as you have total rushing plays.
Take a look at the play-by-play
http://www.espn.com/college-football/pla...=400938655

(11-13-2017 11:38 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 10:13 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FIU averaged only 6.5 yards per attempt. I don't care what they do if they can something keep that up.

Only 6.5?
FIU completed 35 passes for 323 yards. That many passes at that average translates to to a a first down every two passes; a true ball control passing game.
We gave up 323 yards passing to a team that averaged only 197 prior to our game.

Had the Panthers not had a couple of uncharacteristic major breakdowns in pass coverage, and some big runs by Lawry, we get creamed.

This was the most inspired game of the year by the offense, but we reverted back (from UNCC) to our soft 4-2-5 defense that, w/o some major breakdowns by the FIU defense, would have doomed us.

Pass plays tend to average more than running plays because you don't factor in the incompletions. If you counted 0 yards for each incomplete pass the average would be much less. So you really can't say two pass plays and a first down because the are zero yard plays in there also.

BTW, when was the last time we won a game we weren't expected to win? It's been a while.

Last week?

haha I was about to say. Like a few days ago?

I think that was his point. Prior to last week, it had been a while.

ah ok ya. to that point yes I think it was a while. We've been pretty steady on losing and winning as predicted. Finally turned a corner?

Is there anywhere were I can see highlights from this game? I haven't found any.

(11-14-2017 10:11 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  Is there anywhere were I can see highlights from this game? I haven't found any.

http://vod.cdn.xosnetwork.com/video103/N...llFIURecap

(11-14-2017 09:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 11:38 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 10:13 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  FIU averaged only 6.5 yards per attempt. I don't care what they do if they can something keep that up.

Only 6.5?
FIU completed 35 passes for 323 yards. That many passes at that average translates to to a a first down every two passes; a true ball control passing game.
We gave up 323 yards passing to a team that averaged only 197 prior to our game.

Had the Panthers not had a couple of uncharacteristic major breakdowns in pass coverage, and some big runs by Lawry, we get creamed.

This was the most inspired game of the year by the offense, but we reverted back (from UNCC) to our soft 4-2-5 defense that, w/o some major breakdowns by the FIU defense, would have doomed us.

Pass plays tend to average more than running plays because you don't factor in the incompletions. If you counted 0 yards for each incomplete pass the average would be much less. So you really can't say two pass plays and a first down because the are zero yard plays in there also.

BTW, when was the last time we won a game we weren't expected to win? It's been a while.

Last week?

I meant before last week.

Hey! We aren't in the bottom 25 anymore. https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...some-wins/

#thanksFIU, #beatRice

6.5 yards per attempt is low. FIU averages 7.6 yards per attempt.

What teams average less than 5 yards per attempt? I think even Charlotte averages that. I would be surprised if there were a handful of teams that average less than a first down every 2 passing attempts. When you throw the ball 50 times, it is hard not to throw for 300 yards, it would take true ineptness. FWIW, we averaged 10 yards per pass attempt vs. FIU.

We gave up 23 points until a garbage time TD got it to 27. That is good enough to win with a competent offense.

I agree that if we eliminate all the good things we did, we probably lose.

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  6.5 yards per attempt is low. FIU averages 7.6 yards per attempt.

What teams average less than 5 yards per attempt? I think even Charlotte averages that. I would be surprised if there were a handful of teams that average less than a first down every 2 passing attempts. When you throw the ball 50 times, it is hard not to throw for 300 yards, it would take true ineptness. FWIW, we averaged 10 yards per pass attempt vs. FIU.

We gave up 23 points until a garbage time TD got it to 27. That is good enough to win with a competent offense.

I agree that if we eliminate all the good things we did, we probably lose.

Butch Davis: "we thought we could complete a lot of passes underneath the ODU zone"
Look at the play-by-play.

The game was still on the line. There was no garbage time.