(11-06-2017 09:42 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If that were to be proposed now, I think SDSU, BYU and Boise would jump at it.


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It's too bad they weren't thinking long term. I think it could have been a win/win.

(11-06-2017 10:02 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:42 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If that were to be proposed now, I think SDSU, BYU and Boise would jump at it.


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It's too bad they weren't thinking long term. I think it could have been a win/win.

Do you really think fans at Boise, SDSU, and BYU want to see games vs Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn?

It only made sense from a money perspective. And it still doesn't make sense from a money perspective.

(11-06-2017 09:42 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If that were to be proposed now, I think SDSU, BYU and Boise would jump at it.


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Forget BYU. One losing season will not change their goal or mission to stay independent of G5 conferences and gaining access to P5 conferences.

SDSU would love a scenario where they could be Football only with all other sports in the Big West. They seemed to be very ecstatic about that opportunity and even tried to work out staying in the AAC after Boise pulled out.

I think a realistic AAC west would be to add Colorado St and Air Force for all sports and move Memphis to the East.

AAC West - Colorado St, Air Force, Wichita/Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane
AAC East - Memphis, Cincy, UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF

For 16 add SDSU and Boise football only and move either Houston or Tulane to the East depending on if you wanna keep the private/service academies all together

(11-07-2017 10:50 AM)solohawks Wrote:  SDSU would love a scenario where they could be Football only with all other sports in the Big West. They seemed to be very ecstatic about that opportunity and even tried to work out staying in the AAC after Boise pulled out.

I think a realistic AAC west would be to add Colorado St and Air Force for all sports and move Memphis to the East.

AAC West - Colorado St, Air Force, Wichita/Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane
AAC East - Memphis, Cincy, UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF

For 16 add SDSU and Boise football only and move either Houston or Tulane to the East depending on if you wanna keep the private/service academies all together

Umm - SDSU fans hated the thought of basketball in the Big West.

(11-07-2017 11:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:50 AM)solohawks Wrote:  SDSU would love a scenario where they could be Football only with all other sports in the Big West. They seemed to be very ecstatic about that opportunity and even tried to work out staying in the AAC after Boise pulled out.

I think a realistic AAC west would be to add Colorado St and Air Force for all sports and move Memphis to the East.

AAC West - Colorado St, Air Force, Wichita/Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane
AAC East - Memphis, Cincy, UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF

For 16 add SDSU and Boise football only and move either Houston or Tulane to the East depending on if you wanna keep the private/service academies all together

Umm - SDSU fans hated the thought of basketball in the Big West.

SDSU fans don't run the school. The administration loved it

(11-07-2017 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:02 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:42 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If that were to be proposed now, I think SDSU, BYU and Boise would jump at it.


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It's too bad they weren't thinking long term. I think it could have been a win/win.

Do you really think fans at Boise, SDSU, and BYU want to see games vs Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn?

It only made sense from a money perspective. And it still doesn't make sense from a money perspective.

They'd barely play those schools in an 8 team division.

What needs to happen is to form a new 12 team eagle taking the best of the AAC, MWand maybe 1or 2 from the rest of the G5. This could make that P6 if done right.

SDSU, BYU, Boise, CSU, SMU, Houston
UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincy, Troy, Marshall


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(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:02 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:42 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If that were to be proposed now, I think SDSU, BYU and Boise would jump at it.


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It's too bad they weren't thinking long term. I think it could have been a win/win.

Do you really think fans at Boise, SDSU, and BYU want to see games vs Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn?

It only made sense from a money perspective. And it still doesn't make sense from a money perspective.

They'd barely play those schools in an 8 team division.

Presuming BYU stays independent and the AAC added Colorado St, Air Force, Boise St (fb), and San Diego St (fb) - the West division would likely be: San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St, Air Force, Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston. That means Boise St would play Tulane, Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, and Connecticut once every four years.

(11-07-2017 02:00 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:02 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:42 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If that were to be proposed now, I think SDSU, BYU and Boise would jump at it.


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It's too bad they weren't thinking long term. I think it could have been a win/win.

Do you really think fans at Boise, SDSU, and BYU want to see games vs Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn?

It only made sense from a money perspective. And it still doesn't make sense from a money perspective.

They'd barely play those schools in an 8 team division.

Presuming BYU stays independent and the AAC added Colorado St, Air Force, Boise St (fb), and San Diego St (fb) - the West division would likely be: San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St, Air Force, Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston. That means Boise St would play Tulane, Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, and Connecticut once every four years.

Exactly. Not a big deal.

(11-07-2017 02:00 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:02 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:42 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If that were to be proposed now, I think SDSU, BYU and Boise would jump at it.


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It's too bad they weren't thinking long term. I think it could have been a win/win.

Do you really think fans at Boise, SDSU, and BYU want to see games vs Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn?

It only made sense from a money perspective. And it still doesn't make sense from a money perspective.

They'd barely play those schools in an 8 team division.

Presuming BYU stays independent and the AAC added Colorado St, Air Force, Boise St (fb), and San Diego St (fb) - the West division would likely be: San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St, Air Force, Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston. That means Boise St would play Tulane, Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, and Connecticut once every four years.

I'd like to point out that BYU had a series with UConn in '14-'15. Boise St. and UConn have a '14/'18 series. Within the last 3-4 years, BYU has also played series with UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and ECU. BYU has *future* series scheduled with USF and ECU; Boise St. has a future series with Cincinnati.

This suggest that BYU and Boise St. actually do want to play some of the AAC East schools.

(11-07-2017 01:59 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  What needs to happen is to form a new 12 team eagle taking the best of the AAC, MWand maybe 1or 2 from the rest of the G5. This could make that P6 if done right.

SDSU, BYU, Boise, CSU, SMU, Houston
UCF, USF, Memphis, Cincy, Troy, Marshall


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there's other sports besides football. Having UConn in basketball is huge.

And the AAC is in the position of total power. They can cherry pick the top 1-2 if they want.

(11-06-2017 02:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  If they could, I think the AAC would add: BYU, Boise, SDSU, and Colorado State/UNLV in a heartbeat

WEST:

BYU
BOISE
COLORADO STATE
HOUSTON
SMU
TULSA
SDSU
NAVY (they requested to be in the west)

EAST:

MEMPHIS
UCONN
TEMPLE
ECU
UCF
USF
TULANE
CINCY

And then drop the TUL's

BYU
BOISE
COLORADO STATE
HOUSTON
SMU
SDSU
NAVY


MEMPHIS
UCONN
TEMPLE
ECU
UCF
USF
CINCY

The aac isn’t taking Boise no matter what. Besides the fact that they reneged and demanded their own tv contract to join, they turned around and sued the aac.

Unless something unexpected happens to create significant differentiation between the financial circumstances of the AAC and the MWC, neither conference is going to lose any members to the other.

If BYU decides to end the independence experiment I could see it opting to join the AAC over returning to the MWC just to avoid ending back up where it started. But anyone who thinks MWC schools would scramble for the opportunity to tag along with BYU doesn't know much about the MWC.

(11-09-2017 12:43 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Unless something unexpected happens to create significant differentiation between the financial circumstances of the AAC and the MWC, neither conference is going to lose any members to the other.

If BYU decides to end the independence experiment I could see it opting to join the AAC over returning to the MWC just to avoid ending back up where it started. But anyone who thinks MWC schools would scramble for the opportunity to tag along with BYU doesn't know much about the MWC.

I think Boise could only because I think they still have a lot of people that value competitiveness. If they see the MWC has clearly slipped behind the AAC(which is getting more and more evident)- I think they're a real wild card. Especially if ESPN doesn't give them the extra love contract going forward(which is very reasonable to assume it won't).

(11-09-2017 11:18 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:00 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:02 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  It's too bad they weren't thinking long term. I think it could have been a win/win.

Do you really think fans at Boise, SDSU, and BYU want to see games vs Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn?

It only made sense from a money perspective. And it still doesn't make sense from a money perspective.

They'd barely play those schools in an 8 team division.

Presuming BYU stays independent and the AAC added Colorado St, Air Force, Boise St (fb), and San Diego St (fb) - the West division would likely be: San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St, Air Force, Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston. That means Boise St would play Tulane, Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, and Connecticut once every four years.

I'd like to point out that BYU had a series with UConn in '14-'15. Boise St. and UConn have a '14/'18 series. Within the last 3-4 years, BYU has also played series with UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and ECU. BYU has *future* series scheduled with USF and ECU; Boise St. has a future series with Cincinnati.

This suggest that BYU and Boise St. actually do want to play some of the AAC East schools.

I won't challenge a BYU fan about what BYU wants, but I'd say that generally speaking, being willing to do a home-and-home with a school doesn't necessarily mean you want them in your conference, playing them every year.

E.g., Miami played USF five straight years, from 2009-2013, but as a Bulls fan i never fancied that this meant they wanted us in the ACC. It was what it was, an OOC game series.

(11-09-2017 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:18 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:00 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Do you really think fans at Boise, SDSU, and BYU want to see games vs Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn?

It only made sense from a money perspective. And it still doesn't make sense from a money perspective.

They'd barely play those schools in an 8 team division.

Presuming BYU stays independent and the AAC added Colorado St, Air Force, Boise St (fb), and San Diego St (fb) - the West division would likely be: San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St, Air Force, Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston. That means Boise St would play Tulane, Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, and Connecticut once every four years.

I'd like to point out that BYU had a series with UConn in '14-'15. Boise St. and UConn have a '14/'18 series. Within the last 3-4 years, BYU has also played series with UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and ECU. BYU has *future* series scheduled with USF and ECU; Boise St. has a future series with Cincinnati.

This suggest that BYU and Boise St. actually do want to play some of the AAC East schools.

I won't challenge a BYU fan about what BYU wants, but I'd say that generally speaking, being willing to do a home-and-home with a school doesn't necessarily mean you want them in your conference, playing them every year.

E.g., Miami played USF five straight years, from 2009-2013, but as a Bulls fan i never fancied that this meant they wanted us in the ACC. It was what it was, an OOC game series.

I do not think BYU wants to play UConn or USF every year. But, as pointed out in this thread, BYU would only play those schools occasionally. And, BYU clearly wants occasional games in every region of the country and has shown that it is willing to play AAC opponents on a home-and-home basis.

This point refutes the argument that BYU and Boise St. don't really want games v. Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn...not to prove that BYU and Boise St. would want to play all of those schools every year.

BYU wants to spread Mormonism across the country. That is one reason they place in all of these regions.

(11-09-2017 02:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:18 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:00 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  They'd barely play those schools in an 8 team division.

Presuming BYU stays independent and the AAC added Colorado St, Air Force, Boise St (fb), and San Diego St (fb) - the West division would likely be: San Diego St, Boise St, Colorado St, Air Force, Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston. That means Boise St would play Tulane, Memphis, Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, and Connecticut once every four years. That would include bowl access for all AAC bowls expect the access bowl and any bowl that would be designated for the AAC Champ (or runner up) created in the future.

I'd like to point out that BYU had a series with UConn in '14-'15. Boise St. and UConn have a '14/'18 series. Within the last 3-4 years, BYU has also played series with UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and ECU. BYU has *future* series scheduled with USF and ECU; Boise St. has a future series with Cincinnati.

This suggest that BYU and Boise St. actually do want to play some of the AAC East schools.

I won't challenge a BYU fan about what BYU wants, but I'd say that generally speaking, being willing to do a home-and-home with a school doesn't necessarily mean you want them in your conference, playing them every year.

E.g., Miami played USF five straight years, from 2009-2013, but as a Bulls fan i never fancied that this meant they wanted us in the ACC. It was what it was, an OOC game series.

I do not think BYU wants to play UConn or USF every year. But, as pointed out in this thread, BYU would only play those schools occasionally. And, BYU clearly wants occasional games in every region of the country and has shown that it is willing to play AAC opponents on a home-and-home basis.

This point refutes the argument that BYU and Boise St. don't really want games v. Temple, Memphis, USF, Tulsa, and UConn...not to prove that BYU and Boise St. would want to play all of those schools every year.

If a national scehdule is the BYU goal, then an expanded AAC probably fits that goal better than the MW. That said, I think BYU has to beleive that a P5 conference offer isnt coming anytime soon to even consider a G5 conference invite.

I'd be fine with adding BYU olympic sports as part of a 4 game per year football scheduling agreement with BYU. I think that would be a win/win for both parties.

I think the big question with BYU is what happens with their deal with ESPN. I could easily see ESPN pushing them into the AAC.