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Bailiff is the #1 G5 coach
On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.
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Why is it hard to believe?

His job security is unparalleled in college football history.
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(11-01-2017 10:37 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.

I know Baylor is awful, but man, Rhule being that high up on the hot seat list in his first year is a bit surprising. Especially given the institutional issues that developed under Briles.

I also totally forgot that Lovie Smith was coaching at Illinois.
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Salary of CUSA coaches:
1) Lane Kiffin, FAU, $1,200,000
2) Butch Davis, FIU, $1,000,000
2) David Bailiff, Rice, $1,000,000
2) Frank Wilson, UTSA, $1,000,000
2) Mike Sanford, WKU, $1,000,000
6) Seth Littrell, North Texas, $900,000
6) Rick Stockstill, MTSU, $900,000
8) Doc Holliday, Marshall, $850,000
9) Skip Holtz, LaTech, $750,000
10) Bobby Wilder, ODU, $700,000
11) Bill Clark, UAB, $700,000
12) Brad Lamber, Charlotte, $650,000
13) Jay Hopson, USM, $600,000
14) Mike Price, UTEP, $550,000

Not sure these are 100% accurate, as a couple other links have slightly different numbers. But they seem fairly close. Bang for the buck is not there for Rice. Still boggles my mind that JK extended Bailiff when he did and apparently for as much as he did and apparently with a cost-prohibitive buyout. Even after 2013 (without getting into a discussion about how great or not great that season was), there were enough negatives on Bailiff's resume that JK should have waited to see how the team responded in 2014 after losing a lot of senior leadership.
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(11-01-2017 10:51 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 10:37 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.

I know Baylor is awful, but man, Rhule being that high up on the hot seat list in his first year is a bit surprising. Especially given the institutional issues that developed under Briles.

I also totally forgot that Lovie Smith was coaching at Illinois.

0-8 does wonders for a coach's popularity. Especially when the predecessor (as bad a s the institution was) was 7-6 the preceding year. Even more so when the 2 preceding years had them a serious contender for a national championship at various times.

If Rhule had squeaked 2 wins, there wouldnt be an issue. But he has laid a green and gold goose egg with a program that was well (win/loss wise).

I'm not surprised at all especially with the zero wins.
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(11-01-2017 10:37 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.

Bailiff tied for 2nd for highest paid coach in CUSA (several guys at a cool $1,000,000 flat, all behind Lane Kiffin @ FAU). I would hazard a guess that HC salaries scale out to the full staff budget, so it seems that the argument that Rice under performs because Rice underpays coaches is not a valid one given that we are at least roughly equivalent to our conference competition.

I agree Bailiff should be somewhere in the 11-20 range...Rice doesn't fire coaches ever and the other guys in the top 10 are making a lot more money at schools that expect to compete for P5 titles and their respective teams have been dumpster fires.
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(11-01-2017 10:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Salary of CUSA coaches:
1) Lane Kiffin, FAU, $1,200,000
2) Butch Davis, FIU, $1,000,000
2) David Bailiff, Rice, $1,000,000
2) Frank Wilson, UTSA, $1,000,000
2) Mike Sanford, WKU, $1,000,000
6) Seth Littrell, North Texas, $900,000
6) Rick Stockstill, MTSU, $900,000
8) Doc Holliday, Marshall, $850,000
9) Skip Holtz, LaTech, $750,000
10) Bobby Wilder, ODU, $700,000
11) Bill Clark, UAB, $700,000
12) Brad Lamber, Charlotte, $650,000
13) Jay Hopson, USM, $600,000
14) Mike Price, UTEP, $550,000

Not sure these are 100% accurate, but they seem fairly close. Bang for the buck is not there for Rice. Still boggles my mind that JK extended Bailiff when he did and apparently for as much as he did and apparently with a cost-prohibitive buyout. Pay our next head coach $750,000 and direct the extra $250,000 to recruiting and assistant coaches.

Thanks for posting that. Had not seen recent numbers.

I've seen values between $850K and $1MM for Bailiff. Some lists include don't distinguish between base pay and bonuses. As you say, whatever the exact number, he isn't the third best coach in the conference.

Interesting that the FU coaches are being paid so much.
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This link purports to show salaries for the past year's if you click on the school's name. Bailiff's salaries since 2009:

2017 David Bailiff $772,883
2016 David Bailiff $903,556
2015 David Bailiff $805,088
2014 David Bailiff $780,243
2013 David Bailiff $646,386
2012 David Bailiff $608,846
2011 David Bailiff $625,001
2010 David Bailiff $487,340
2009 David Bailiff $476,842

Worth noting that on multiple occasions, rumors swirled around here that Coach Bailiff directed some of his own salary toward coordinators and/or assistants.
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(11-01-2017 11:04 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Interesting that the FU coaches are being paid so much.

I think that is a very recent phenomenon for the F_Us. Both of those programs have been bottom 5 perennials forever with no name coaches, but they appear to be investing quite a money now to at least be respectable teams. Obviously the formula at several places in the CUSA is to hire a down on their luck coaching star for a sizable discount and hope it works out (outside of Mike Price, it has worked out for the most part).

Not sure what our strategy will be going forward, but I am sure there will be a committee just large enough so that any one person will not shoulder any blame should the decision not work out. I agree Bailiff most likely needs to go, but at the same time I do not carry a large amount of confidence that the coaching search will provide outcomes that are significantly different from the current long term trend and the root causes of our decline will not be adequately addressed.
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(11-01-2017 11:01 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 10:51 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 10:37 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.

I know Baylor is awful, but man, Rhule being that high up on the hot seat list in his first year is a bit surprising. Especially given the institutional issues that developed under Briles.

I also totally forgot that Lovie Smith was coaching at Illinois.

0-8 does wonders for a coach's popularity. Especially when the predecessor (as bad a s the institution was) was 7-6 the preceding year. Even more so when the 2 preceding years had them a serious contender for a national championship at various times.

If Rhule had squeaked 2 wins, there wouldnt be an issue. But he has laid a green and gold goose egg with a program that was well (win/loss wise).

I'm not surprised at all especially with the zero wins.

I find this fascinating. Psychologically people seem averse to the 0-fer when realistically, it isn't any different than a 1-fer or 2-fer. Had they beaten liberty - does that really change their season?

Similar to Rice vs USM in 2015. Down 58-0, we kick a FG with goal to go on 4th down. Guess shutout was worse? ish?
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totally unrelated but was reading a summary of Premier League and this came up about Everton

Quote:In came David Unsworth, a caretaker boasting the most valuable cliche-heavy qualities: Knowing the club inside out, understanding the fans' demands and clapping earnestly and aimlessly on the touchline.

Sound like anyone we know? (with the caveat that Unsworth got replaced)
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(11-01-2017 11:35 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 11:01 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 10:51 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 10:37 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.

I know Baylor is awful, but man, Rhule being that high up on the hot seat list in his first year is a bit surprising. Especially given the institutional issues that developed under Briles.

I also totally forgot that Lovie Smith was coaching at Illinois.

0-8 does wonders for a coach's popularity. Especially when the predecessor (as bad a s the institution was) was 7-6 the preceding year. Even more so when the 2 preceding years had them a serious contender for a national championship at various times.

If Rhule had squeaked 2 wins, there wouldnt be an issue. But he has laid a green and gold goose egg with a program that was well (win/loss wise).

I'm not surprised at all especially with the zero wins.

I find this fascinating. Psychologically people seem averse to the 0-fer when realistically, it isn't any different than a 1-fer or 2-fer. Had they beaten liberty - does that really change their season?

Similar to Rice vs USM in 2015. Down 58-0, we kick a FG with goal to go on 4th down. Guess shutout was worse? ish?

Agreed, especially in the first full year of coaching. There are so many things about the organization that can change with a new coach that it seems unreasonable to me to not allow for a mulligan for at least year 1.

I personally think you shouldn't cut ties with a coach before 3 years, unless there are institutional issues.
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(11-01-2017 10:37 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.
Mainly based on pay and expectations. Look at Harbaugh.
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Rhule won’t be fired. Coaches Hot Seat is a mathematical formula not someone’s opinion.
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#2 is Beaty. I doubt he gets fired either. After going 0-12 and 2-10, Kansas pulls a Rice and gives him a 5 year extension. This year he is a very unsurprising 1-7.
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(11-01-2017 12:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  #2 is Beaty. I doubt he gets fired either. After going 0-12 and 2-10, Kansas pulls a Rice and gives him a 5 year extension. This year he is a very unsurprising 1-7.

Kansas fans rationalized as a way of "stabilizing the program". If that was the case, they should have done in 2015 what Baylor did with Rhule last December: give him a seven year contract and forget about it until year 4 or 5. The act of giving someone an extension is at the very least a tacit approval of their actual job performance to-date(not some "pogram stabilization" mumbo jumbo).
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(11-01-2017 12:36 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 12:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  #2 is Beaty. I doubt he gets fired either. After going 0-12 and 2-10, Kansas pulls a Rice and gives him a 5 year extension. This year he is a very unsurprising 1-7.

Kansas fans rationalized as a way of "stabilizing the program". If that was the case, they should have done in 2015 what Baylor did with Rhule last December: give him a seven year contract and forget about it until year 4 or 5. The act of giving someone an extension is at the very least a tacit approval of their actual job performance to-date(not some "pogram stabilization" mumbo jumbo).

Sounds similar to our deal. So burned/scared by being left behind that we marry the rebound. I agree, an extension means you feel this is the right direction. heck, even their press statement reads like ours

Quote:"This shows our appreciation for Coach Beaty, his staff and our players," Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger said in a prepared statement. "I have enjoyed watching their progress during this season. We want to capitalize on the momentum we all saw as the season came to a close. This reflects our belief in Coach Beaty's leadership, and the energy and enthusiasm that we see every day from him and his players."

I guess 2-10 is considered progress over 0-12... technically.
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Came across this article from last year - http://www.chron.com/sports/rice/article...42216.php. Guess we know who a handful of the 250 letter signees are.

also, this gem
Quote:Bailiff expects Rice to have the explosive offense and lockdown defense it's been missing the last two years.

03-lmfao I gotta ask - is this just coachspeak or does he legitimately believe what comes out of his mouth? the last time Bailiff and defense was a thing was at TCU.
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(11-01-2017 11:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 11:35 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 11:01 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 10:51 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 10:37 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  On coaches hot seat ranking...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Hard to believe he hasn't cracked the top ten.

I know Baylor is awful, but man, Rhule being that high up on the hot seat list in his first year is a bit surprising. Especially given the institutional issues that developed under Briles.

I also totally forgot that Lovie Smith was coaching at Illinois.

0-8 does wonders for a coach's popularity. Especially when the predecessor (as bad a s the institution was) was 7-6 the preceding year. Even more so when the 2 preceding years had them a serious contender for a national championship at various times.

If Rhule had squeaked 2 wins, there wouldnt be an issue. But he has laid a green and gold goose egg with a program that was well (win/loss wise).

I'm not surprised at all especially with the zero wins.

I find this fascinating. Psychologically people seem averse to the 0-fer when realistically, it isn't any different than a 1-fer or 2-fer. Had they beaten liberty - does that really change their season?

Similar to Rice vs USM in 2015. Down 58-0, we kick a FG with goal to go on 4th down. Guess shutout was worse? ish?

Agreed, especially in the first full year of coaching. There are so many things about the organization that can change with a new coach that it seems unreasonable to me to not allow for a mulligan for at least year 1.

I personally think you shouldn't cut ties with a coach before 3 years, unless there are institutional issues.

The issue is that the transformation of 7-6 squad to a goose-egg squad. In addition to releasing essentially all the incoming '17 signees, they lost on the order of 10-12 of the 22 juniors through suspensions, NFL draft, and granting releases.

But the fans dont see it as losing most of the older experience. They say 'okay you lost 1/4 of your players, we expect at least *one* or *two* wins.'

I agree, and from my viewpoint Baylor is, in real estate terms, a tear-down and rebuild. From others, they say 'you salvaged a portion of the foundation and two walls, why arent you *anywhere* near finished'. Zero wins is as far from completion as you can theoretically get.

The expectation game is tough.
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(11-01-2017 12:58 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 12:36 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(11-01-2017 12:17 PM)Antarius Wrote:  #2 is Beaty. I doubt he gets fired either. After going 0-12 and 2-10, Kansas pulls a Rice and gives him a 5 year extension. This year he is a very unsurprising 1-7.

Kansas fans rationalized as a way of "stabilizing the program". If that was the case, they should have done in 2015 what Baylor did with Rhule last December: give him a seven year contract and forget about it until year 4 or 5. The act of giving someone an extension is at the very least a tacit approval of their actual job performance to-date(not some "pogram stabilization" mumbo jumbo).

Sounds similar to our deal. So burned/scared by being left behind that we marry the rebound. I agree, an extension means you feel this is the right direction. heck, even their press statement reads like ours

Quote:"This shows our appreciation for Coach Beaty, his staff and our players," Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger said in a prepared statement. "I have enjoyed watching their progress during this season. We want to capitalize on the momentum we all saw as the season came to a close. This reflects our belief in Coach Beaty's leadership, and the energy and enthusiasm that we see every day from him and his players."

I guess 2-10 is considered progress over 0-12... technically.

It is literally infinitely better than 0-12; a huuuuugeeeee increase..... 03-wink
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