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(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  I know Cincinnati is slightly larger than Columbus but Columbus is growing and the only other pro franchise is the NHL. Seems a stupid move to take a team out of Columbus only to grant us an expansion team.

You forgot their other pro franchise, tO$U. The football team alone is valued at $1.5 billion, which is more than most NFL franchises and they don't even have to pay the players.

(10-17-2017 11:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:45 AM)geef Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:39 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:37 AM)geef Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:32 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yeah...it's funny to think just how different soccer is in the rest of the world. Alas, if we had pro/rel, owners wouldn't be able to hold cities and counties hostage like they love doing in America.

Exactly.

Argument 1.a for why it'll never happen in America.

It may happen between in a USL1/ USL2 setup, but not MLS.

Which doesn't matter at all, so the point is moot.

No. My point was that it may happen in USL. Was that difficult to comprehend?

(10-17-2017 11:18 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Not sure pro/rel in the US is a good thing. How does getting Bethlehem or Rochester into the top division help a game that's growing. We need good teams in good markets. We need people to make large investments in the sport which they're not going to do if they could get relegated.

To spin this in another direction another stadium built in 1999 no longer good enough. Mike Brown is going to be starting preliminary talks within 3 years I'm sure.

Why would he do anything to jeopardize the contract he already has? Dude would be insane to try to do that after already having the county on the books for literally ANY change made to the current setup.

(10-17-2017 11:49 AM)geef Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:45 AM)geef Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:39 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:37 AM)geef Wrote:  Exactly.

Argument 1.a for why it'll never happen in America.

It may happen between in a USL1/ USL2 setup, but not MLS.

Which doesn't matter at all, so the point is moot.

No. My point was that it may happen in USL. Was that difficult to comprehend?

If the Top Division doesn't participate, it doesn't matter. I honestly could care less about Pro/Rel, because lord knows it wouldn't do well with the socialist mindset our sporting culture has, but this is just further proof that the MLS want no part of it as a whole.

Mike Brown will be dead in 3 years.

(10-17-2017 11:33 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  I know Cincinnati is slightly larger than Columbus but Columbus is growing and the only other pro franchise is the NHL. Seems a stupid move to take a team out of Columbus only to grant us an expansion team.

You forgot their other pro franchise, tO$U. The football team alone is valued at $1.5 billion, which is more than most NFL franchises and they don't even have to pay the players.

Yup. I won't pretend to know much, if anything, about soccer. But I've probably spent, on average, a day a week in Columbus for work the past 10 years and I've never heard anyone discuss the Crew. Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard anyone discuss the Bengals or Browns. Every now and then I'll get some Reds discussion. But otherwise it's OSU 24/7.

(10-17-2017 12:06 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  Mike Brown will be dead in 3 years.

I expect the evil socialist confiscatory Estate Tax to be dead by then, any estate motivation will be moot.

(10-17-2017 12:13 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:33 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  I know Cincinnati is slightly larger than Columbus but Columbus is growing and the only other pro franchise is the NHL. Seems a stupid move to take a team out of Columbus only to grant us an expansion team.

You forgot their other pro franchise, tO$U. The football team alone is valued at $1.5 billion, which is more than most NFL franchises and they don't even have to pay the players.

Yup. I won't pretend to know much, if anything, about soccer. But I've probably spent, on average, a day a week in Columbus for work the past 10 years and I've never heard anyone discuss the Crew. Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard anyone discuss the Bengals or Browns. Every now and then I'll get some Reds discussion. But otherwise it's OSU 24/7.

Can't think of anything further from the truth. OSU, Browns, Bengals, Bluejackets, Crew, Indians, Reds, Cavs come up in daily conversations around here. Ill admit the Cleveland teams come up a lot more than the Cincinnati teams.

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  I know Cincinnati is slightly larger than Columbus but Columbus is growing and the only other pro franchise is the NHL. Seems a stupid move to take a team out of Columbus only to grant us an expansion team.

Arguably, Columbus was never a major league town. They have a rabid allegiance to scarlet and gray football, first and foremost. Any pro franchise, major or minor, will toil forever in the shadow of the horseshoe.

Unfortunately, we seem to live in the opposite universe in Cincinnati--regardless of how bad the major league franchises are, they get top billing. It's a deep seated cultural difference between our two cities.

Problem for Columbus is the Crew isn't drawing well and hasnt for the last few years. Combine their decreased attendance with a stadium that is in a giant isolated fairgrounds parking lot and you don't have a recipe for growth. While they were one of the first and the first single soccer purpose stadium, that was 20 years ago and they put it in a no man's land. They desperately need to relocate into better part of town and a stadium that can improve attendance.

(10-17-2017 12:37 PM)Banter Wrote:  

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(10-17-2017 11:33 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  I know Cincinnati is slightly larger than Columbus but Columbus is growing and the only other pro franchise is the NHL. Seems a stupid move to take a team out of Columbus only to grant us an expansion team.

You forgot their other pro franchise, tO$U. The football team alone is valued at $1.5 billion, which is more than most NFL franchises and they don't even have to pay the players.

Yup. I won't pretend to know much, if anything, about soccer. But I've probably spent, on average, a day a week in Columbus for work the past 10 years and I've never heard anyone discuss the Crew. Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard anyone discuss the Bengals or Browns. Every now and then I'll get some Reds discussion. But otherwise it's OSU 24/7.

Can't think of anything further from the truth. OSU, Browns, Bengals, Bluejackets, Crew, Indians, Reds, Cavs come up in daily conversations around here. Ill admit the Cleveland teams come up a lot more than the Cincinnati teams.

Interesting. Never heard any of my clients discuss the Crew. Not once. Ever.

(10-17-2017 12:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Why would he do anything to jeopardize the contract he already has? Dude would be insane to try to do that after already having the county on the books for literally ANY change made to the current setup.

Because average market deal in a brand new stadium is most likely greater than sweetheart (corrupt) deal in 20 year old stadium.

(10-17-2017 03:02 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Why would he do anything to jeopardize the contract he already has? Dude would be insane to try to do that after already having the county on the books for literally ANY change made to the current setup.

Because average market deal in a brand new stadium is most likely greater than sweetheart (corrupt) deal in 20 year old stadium.

I would agree with you IF he hadn't already pulverized the good faith argument with the last deal. It would be career suicide for any politician or holder of public office to hitch their wagon to a stadium deal at the amount they'd be asking for ($500,000,000+ in value/incentives) and the city and county have already kind of shoo-shooed a deal asking for a fraction of that. I bet Lindner et al would be crying tears of joy if Brown threatened to leave.

(10-17-2017 03:07 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 03:02 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Why would he do anything to jeopardize the contract he already has? Dude would be insane to try to do that after already having the county on the books for literally ANY change made to the current setup.

Because average market deal in a brand new stadium is most likely greater than sweetheart (corrupt) deal in 20 year old stadium.

I would agree with you IF he hadn't already pulverized the good faith argument with the last deal. It would be career suicide for any politician or holder of public office to hitch their wagon to a stadium deal at the amount they'd be asking for ($500,000,000+ in value/incentives) and the city and county have already kind of shoo-shooed a deal asking for a fraction of that. I bet Lindner et al would be crying tears of joy if Brown threatened to leave.

Oh, I agree. I'm not saying he gets it. Only that he's going to start asking for it.

(10-17-2017 09:35 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  The Hispanic population. Ok, I can buy that. Isn't FC Dallas struggling attendance wise though compared to the rest of MLS? Or was that last year, or am I making things up? Sure, it's farther north, but it's much larger than Austin. It seems they really want this Austin market enough to bail on the OG MLS city, so there's obviously more at play than I understand. Still, it's a damn shame for Columbus and it's fans.

Yeah, I am an FC Dallas season Ticket holder. Getting people in the seats is a struggle, but the FCD Front Office (Clark/Dan Hunt<--yeah, those Hunts) put in little to no effort to market the team in one of the fastest growing cities & hottest youth soccer markets in the US. The Frisco/Plano area is booming and FCD has an outstanding academy program. With the DFW Metroplex having close to 7 million people; you'd think they could fill a tiny 20K stadium...but nope. The main gripe around here is the lack of any "big name" talent, but the FCD has 5 players that are regulars for their National Teams (including Kellyn Acosta, who was an FCD Academy product now USMNT player). I think there is a lot the FCD Front Office can learn from what FC Cincinnati was able to do.

You'd have to think the move from Columbus to Austin is a good thing for FC Cincinnati's MLS bid.

I’m just curious...

If Austin falls through and the owner of The Crew sells to Lindner, is that a way to get around the soccer-specific stadium requirement? Seems Lindner can give Columbus ownership a very attractive offer while saving on overall expenses by not having to build a stadium up front.

(10-22-2017 02:04 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  I’m just curious...

If Austin falls through and the owner of The Crew sells to Lindner, is that a way to get around the soccer-specific stadium requirement? Seems Lindner can give Columbus ownership a very attractive offer while saving on overall expenses by not having to build a stadium up front.

Can't imagine MLS allows him to move without a stadium.

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(10-22-2017 02:04 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  I’m just curious...

If Austin falls through and the owner of The Crew sells to Lindner, is that a way to get around the soccer-specific stadium requirement? Seems Lindner can give Columbus ownership a very attractive offer while saving on overall expenses by not having to build a stadium up front.

I doubt it. Sounds like MLS is not happy with the support from the corporate community in Columbus-- in addition to the general population (low attendance).

(10-22-2017 04:27 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 02:04 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  I’m just curious...

If Austin falls through and the owner of The Crew sells to Lindner, is that a way to get around the soccer-specific stadium requirement? Seems Lindner can give Columbus ownership a very attractive offer while saving on overall expenses by not having to build a stadium up front.

I doubt it. Sounds like MLS is not happy with the support from the corporate community in Columbus-- in addition to the general population (low attendance).

NBC sports on MLS expansion

Article noted Garber again mentioning same four cities including Cincinnati. Their pick for first two...Cincinnati and Sacramento.

Interesting take on MLS

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...812720001/