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(10-01-2017 08:13 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  Yeah, I think I agree with most of the grades. I would put the coaching higher, that was a dang good strategy against a good team, yes- I'm furious with the throw into the end-zone, but I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be a look quick for man coverage, and if it's not there, start running...and it was just a poor decision from a young QB, a young QB that has shown he has plenty of talent in that arm, just has to get better at the reads, I'm confident he'll get there after watching last night, but not sure we'll see the finished product this year.

How about one additional grade on recruiting and development from the last few years? We made mistakes that cost us the game, but we man-handled them up front all night, and we showed off outside at the skilled positions as well. Think about this, with 3 min to go (I won't get the exact time right?), a top 20 team had a 4th and inches to go against NIU, a lowly MAC team, from about midfield? And they tried to draw offside and then punted...that doesn't happen much.

In hindsight, the handing SDSU an extra possession at end of 1st half probably decided the game, that's on coaching 100 percent. Not sure which coach or who made that decision to give SDSU the ball back, but that was very very large
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When on the opposing teams 20 with a first down and running the ball is working. Run it again. That is what the big 10 used to do to us. We were the dominant team driving the ball. Make them stop the run. Period. Power football! That was a huge turning point in the game. SDSU could not stop the run all night. Otherwise, I think it was a well good game.

On Santa: He made a lot of good throws in the first half. I am not sure what happened in the 2nd half. We are still a little too predictable in our passing game. Mostly, I put this on the coaches. Santa will get better over time.

We will be tough to beat in the MAC if we stay healthy.
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The play was excellent to good. A decent pass and its 6. Not a great pas, a decent ball with some air at the cone. QB made a bad pass and worse a fundamentally horrible QB play.
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(10-03-2017 04:20 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  The play was excellent to good. A decent pass and its 6. Not a great pas, a decent ball with some air at the cone. QB made a bad pass and worse a fundamentally horrible QB play.

Well stated and very accurate; however, don't loose site of the fact that we were in this game in large part to Santa's play; which, with the exception of the two picks (the 3rd never be happens if the we don't throw the 2nd) was near flawless. At the time of the pick 6, we had 1 (maybe 2) incomplete pass, and it was thrown by Childers.
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They could have kept running the ball, but I don't think the pass call was bad at all. The execution stunk, period. Statistically, Blake was your best player, was a safety net, and had bailed them out on multiple 3rd downs.

First down is when you take chances to throw downfield. That's not a play call issue, it was Santas fault. Also, someone said mile the clock. Yeah, they had inside the 20 and 2:30 left, but a TD isn't guaranteed. Especially on a run once you get down there. If that's completed for a TD you going to complain about the time left for SDSU? No, because the defense was lights out.

Complaining to complain is one thing, but the thought process there is pretty typical and was worth the shot. You have to blame execution.
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Really? This coach has done nothing but play ultra conservative in the biggest games. Fortunately we took some shots Saturday and it paid off and we were in the game despite turnovers and a kick 6. For the coaches to risk the ball which they have been unwilling to do in some crucial losses was very frustrating when it really looked like we were dominating the line of scrimmage is mind boggling. I'm pretty sure the o-line would tell you the same thing. They owned SDSU in the fourth quarter. Santa looked like he had a running lane when he threw the pass as well with three guys around Blake. It was pretty obvious to me we were in control of the line of scrimmage and we put the ball in harm's way needlessly. If we were running out of time I'd have no problem with the call. But to score with 2:30 left against a team that was completing deep pass in chunks with a veteran QB was not good coaching. I'm pretty sure there are many players not very happy with the coaches after the game. But I'm sure they moved on and we have the MAC to play for but Hopefully we have an offensive identity now and we can play and coach solid games moving forward.
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If you think kids are mad at coaches when they lost and they turned the ball over 4 times you're an idiot. Coaches do not turn the ball over, players do. Players know if the play isn't there you throw it out of bounce, which he could have as Tears was on the sideline area on that throw. He forced it, that's not on Coach U or Carey.
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(10-04-2017 06:29 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  If you think kids are mad at coaches when they lost and they turned the ball over 4 times you're an idiot. Coaches do not turn the ball over, players do. Players know if the play isn't there you throw it out of bounce, which he could have as Tears was on the sideline area on that throw. He forced it, that's not on Coach U or Carey.

You're a moron if you think that players just mindlessly go along with the coaches. The players know the game, too, especially at this level. They know the feel, flow, and momentum of the game. I'm sure they're very disappointed that they didn't get to pound the rock late. But it's just speculation on both our parts so the point is moot unless you can tell me that you've spoken to a lot of players and they told you that the coaches called a perfect game. Obviously you think you're right (although you're completely wrong) and I know I'm right.
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(10-04-2017 01:16 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  For the coaches to risk the ball which they have been unwilling to do in some crucial losses was very frustrating when it really looked like we were dominating the line of scrimmage is mind boggling. They owned SDSU in the fourth quarter.
This is what I believe. We were controlling the line of scrimmage and with 2+ minutes left in the game, you do what is working. Power football will set up the pass. Make them stop the run. We had a decent size advantage and our guys were pushing the line of SDSU back. Set up the tight end Wineman for the TD from the 10 yard line. He would have been left alone to catch the TD most likely.

Wineman was really underused in the last game. I also liked the 2 tight end sets. Power football was fun to watch. Would I be saying this if the pass was to our guy and not picked off? Yes, I said it before the play even started. (3 times to the SDSU fans I was sitting next to)

Can't wait for MAC play. The future looks decent again. It also shows you how important the QB is to the team. Harnish and Lynch fit the bill. Hopefully, Santa can improve like they both did. We just need consistency at the QB position.
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Splooie...dont forget Hare - He was a winner and a MAC Champ!

THis team does not need greatness out of the QB to be champs. Think Trent Dilfer like,Execute and dont make mistakes.
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(10-04-2017 09:55 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Splooie...dont forget Hare - He was a winner and a MAC Champ!

THis team does not need greatness out of the QB to be champs. Think Trent Dilfer like,Execute and dont make mistakes.

Don't think you're a big fan of Santa; but the problem with your view is best scene in the Nebraska game. Santa was playing Dilfer-like for most of the game; not turning the ball over; completing a fairly high % of his passes, nothing spectacular. Then we lost the lead, and he had to do what nobody (especially you) thought he could do...bring us back. The only way we could have won that game is if he played "non Differ-like" QB. He made two Sunday throws on the drive to get us back in the lead. If we want Dilfer-like, I don't think Santa is our guy.
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Well, you live with what you have and not what you want.

Santa will give it up. You give it up in the MAC West you will lose this year ( BSU excluded). The West is too tough for that kind of football.
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(10-04-2017 08:31 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 06:29 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  If you think kids are mad at coaches when they lost and they turned the ball over 4 times you're an idiot. Coaches do not turn the ball over, players do. Players know if the play isn't there you throw it out of bounce, which he could have as Tears was on the sideline area on that throw. He forced it, that's not on Coach U or Carey.

You're a moron if you think that players just mindlessly go along with the coaches. The players know the game, too, especially at this level. They know the feel, flow, and momentum of the game. I'm sure they're very disappointed that they didn't get to pound the rock late. But it's just speculation on both our parts so the point is moot unless you can tell me that you've spoken to a lot of players and they told you that the coaches called a perfect game. Obviously you think you're right (although you're completely wrong) and I know I'm right.

I didn't say the called a perfect game. I said that complaining about that one play is being ridiculous. You're complaining to complain. Which makes sense because you're negative.

Did the coaches put the team in bad spots, yes, but that really wasn't one of them. I've never once seen you complain about execution. It's always the coaches fault. At some point it has to be both or just execution. I may be a bit wrong on the not being mad, but that's only for a handful of plays and not the whole game. But hey the coaches probably had nothing to do with the rest of the good things. That was all players and all the bad is just coaches. It's never a mix. Let me know when you blame something other than the coaches for something. After all the players play the game.
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Do you honestly think we come back form 17 points down in the SDSU game playing "Dilfer-like"? We put up more points against SDSU then anybody this year, including ASU and Stanford. Do you think our running game, in particular Huff, is benefitting by the fact that defenses now has to respect the deep pass? Against SDSU their safeties by the end of the game were line up 13 yards off the LOS. There are times to play conservative (maybe the last drive was such a time) but if we go back to being predictable, lacking any vertical theat, our offense will be very limited.
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(10-04-2017 12:54 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 08:31 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 06:29 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  If you think kids are mad at coaches when they lost and they turned the ball over 4 times you're an idiot. Coaches do not turn the ball over, players do. Players know if the play isn't there you throw it out of bounce, which he could have as Tears was on the sideline area on that throw. He forced it, that's not on Coach U or Carey.

You're a moron if you think that players just mindlessly go along with the coaches. The players know the game, too, especially at this level. They know the feel, flow, and momentum of the game. I'm sure they're very disappointed that they didn't get to pound the rock late. But it's just speculation on both our parts so the point is moot unless you can tell me that you've spoken to a lot of players and they told you that the coaches called a perfect game. Obviously you think you're right (although you're completely wrong) and I know I'm right.

I didn't say the called a perfect game. I said that complaining about that one play is being ridiculous. You're complaining to complain. Which makes sense because you're negative.

Did the coaches put the team in bad spots, yes, but that really wasn't one of them. I've never once seen you complain about execution. It's always the coaches fault. At some point it has to be both or just execution. I may be a bit wrong on the not being mad, but that's only for a handful of plays and not the whole game. But hey the coaches probably had nothing to do with the rest of the good things. That was all players and all the bad is just coaches. It's never a mix. Let me know when you blame something other than the coaches for something. After all the players play the game.
So you're not being negative toward Santa? 03-lmfao
There's no other sport where coaching plays such a huge role. They have complete control of the game, personnel, and calling every play. The players are what the coaches emphasize. There was no need to throw the ball unless you had to in that situation because the o-line was dominating SDSU and Santa had already thrown a pick 6. I gave the coaches credit for allowing Santa to make the big plays for us to be in a chance to win a game to overcome the mistakes, but you've got to finish the job. The running game could have finished the job and it was a huge mistake on the coaches part to not recognize that.
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I'm sure many players feel like the running game could have won the game for us and I'm sure the coaches are doing some second guessing on their decision after watching film. I'm also very critical because the play was so contrary to their ultra conservative philosophy. I called for calculated risks not go all out with 2:30 left. Had we scored, they would have marched right down and kicked the winning FG. They were completing chunks of passing yards all game.
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As for our coaches, they've made some critical mistakes this year alone. I won't even go into last year. Choosing Graham and Jones to start the first two games is inexcusable. It cost us the BC game. The lack of calculated risks in the Nebraska almost cost us. luckily, Santa, Blake, and Huff bailed out the coaches. The lack of recognizing how the o-line was dominating late did cost us. Did Santa's turnover cost us? Of course it did, but we still should have been able to overcome it with a little more recognition from our coaches.
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(10-04-2017 04:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  As for our coaches, they've made some critical mistakes this year alone. I won't even go into last year. Choosing Graham and Jones to start the first two games is inexcusable. It cost us the BC game. The lack of calculated risks in the Nebraska almost cost us. luckily, Santa, Blake, and Huff bailed out the coaches. The lack of recognizing how the o-line was dominating late did cost us. Did Santa's turnover cost us? Of course it did, but we still should have been able to overcome it with a little more recognition from our coaches.

Again difficult to argue these points.
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Also, I'm certainly not complaining just to complain. I was calling for the running the ball in on the game thread and I was sure that's what we'd do. When we didn't, I was pretty upset with the coaches.
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I wasn't negative to santa, I said he screwed up. Which he did. He was also a major reason NIU moved the ball all game. He should be the starter, but 3 INTs was the biggest reason they lost. That's almost irrefutable. Who you place blame on is your opinion. Most of the board seems to think the coach threw the INT. FYI, Carey doesn't call plays

All I'm asking is why does this board, specifically badmoon only complain about coaching? I have a hard time understanding how it can only be the coaches fault every time. If more people admitted that this board wouldn't seem so negative.

Starting Jones and Graham are not the only reason they lost to BC. And thy didn't get "bailed out" in Nebraska. The players made plays, but who called the deep throw? Was that an audible? All I ask is you use some sort of acknowledgement that it is a mix of coaching and execution. You only blame coaching for the bad and acknowledge execution on good things. That's why you sound negative. Using the terms "bailed out". It's easy to be an arm chair coach and then always cite the players for the good. Just see it both ways.
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